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Synergising Chemistry to find the "MAGIC"

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This thread sparks from the legal drugs/RCs threads.

I've been thinking recently, things like MDAI which are complete 5-HT agonists, what chems would be safely mixed with them to create a more E like experience... Dopamine agonists, stimulants (ethylcathinone, despite its legality) perhaps...

theres a whole plethora of other plant like substances also that produce stimulant effects and dopaminergic effects that could create the ultimate synergy. Post ideas for this here. discussion is welcome. I may perhaps try this some time soon (thinking of getting a little MDAI if i can find the right edge on it)

So yeah lets use MDAI as our starting point - and see what we can come up with - p_d i hope you might have some imput here
 
Great thread idea! Ensure you keep some HR information when speaking up RC's and combinations of 'well known' substances and less well known.

I know 4mmc gives a MDMA esk feeling on the comeup. But we should all know the HR aspects associated with it.

Let the discussion beginm as an answer to this question would be great for myself personally.
 
4mmc has what i'm after don't get me wrong - but theres the short duration, and fiendishness that i dont like.

MDAI as a starting point in this is my main look at- given that it seems to be the only real pure seretonin releaser out there. stock that with any number of other substances and that possible magic that i find MDMA/Methylone/4mmc have - may be possible to once again attain - perhaps legally.
 
I find both the duration and the fiendishness cease to be an issue with 4mmc if you just stick to oral ingestion. Half a gram, split into two caps, drop one to start, then another 2 or 3 hours later, and you should get a good 4 - 6 hour buzz with a smooth crash. It's probably as good as it gets for MDMA replacements, and I imagine a better shot at having a good time than any of the pills on the market at the moment.
 
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i whole heartedly agree crank... though the topic really is trying to focus away from 4mmc. see if we can break some boundaries. Methylone is the only one real thing i can say for sure will do you justice - but im not looking at just cathinones or beta ketones.

I wanna find a way to give MDAI the edge it would need to be a +++ 2002-2003 MDMA experience. Recreate ye olde magic
 
The problem is poly drug use potentially carries many more risks than doing a single drug. Finding the right combination through experimentation is certainly risky, particularly when what's known of the pharmacology of MDAI is pretty much limited to animal studies. Adding a DAT inhibitor might generate some magic, but I'd bet my boots it would result in neurotoxicity, just how severe this might be is anyone's guess.

On the legality side, hard to know, but if they can prosecute for possession etc of 4-MMC by charging with methcathinone, then it may be that MDAI is considered substantially similar to MDA, as while structurally different (as is Methcat to 4-MMC) MDAI has only one carbon extra than MDA. In the world of law, I'd bet it would be pretty easy to show just how similar these two are, particularly if those being convinced have no knowledge of chemistry
 
I find that MDAI is very mild. Ur comparing apples to oranges. Nothing will ever be the same as MDMA. Sure 4mmc is similar but we all know it lacks alot of MDMA's qualities. If ur after MDMA then use that, if ur after something new then use that as each RC is unique to there own. On the side note i wouldnt dare to mix RC's with eachother, we dont even know what the long term effects of most of them are by themselves.
 
sustanon, we need not your 'knowledge' or lack thereof.

We're talking about unique synergies that could creat that kinda magic mdma produces - if you can find pure mdma - good luck to you, i cannot, and would like that experience, whilst in my studies as a human guinea pig - perhaps find something other people can enjoy without expense to the law
 
living a long life isn't a real big issue. I've tried numerous things that would have killed heath ledger 45x over and lived to tell the tale (even if i dont remember it)
 
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On the legality side, hard to know, but if they can prosecute for possession etc of 4-MMC by charging with methcathinone, then it may be that MDAI is considered substantially similar to MDA, as while structurally different (as is Methcat to 4-MMC) MDAI has only one carbon extra than MDA. In the world of law, I'd bet it would be pretty easy to show just how similar these two are, particularly if those being convinced have no knowledge of chemistry
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dont forget we have some jems among the states here. in south australia, if a substance has a substantially similar pharmacological effects as that of a controlled drug, it is deemed an analog
 
dont forget we have some jems among the states here. in south australia, if a substance has a substantially similar pharmacological effects as that of a controlled drug, it is deemed an analog
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Absolutely, gleaned of course from your Qld counterparts ;)
 
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living a long life isn't a real big issue. I've tried numerous things that would have killed heath ledger 45x over and lived to tell the tale (even if i dont remember it)
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Well living a long life may not be an issue I guess, but quality of life is important. I mean I'm all for finding new ways to get the magic, I just have seen friends end up institutionalised from doing this kind of shit. One of my old friends was completely convinced he was a vessel in which you'd carry a liquid. It isn't pleasant, he is constantly in fear of being touched in case he is "spilt".

As long as you are careful and dose small to start with I guess. It is good that you asked here first, and I look forward to reading your findings.
 
Might I ask what caused that and how?

I've always heard the friend of a friend story about some one going crazy like this from drugs, however in real life have only ever seen normal schizophrenia as the outcome.
 
This isn't the friend of a friend story. This was one of my good friends while growing up. One night in particular I was supposed to meet him but he never showed. He went missing for about a week and then was found on the outskirts of town wearing the same clothes as when he left and in the state i mentioned above.The sad thing is that to be completely honest with you I have no idea what it was that caused this. He has not since recovered and has never been able to explain exactly what he took, but there was no sign of physical damage that could have caused such brain trauma.

As far as I can tell you is that he had access to basically everything and had got to the stage where he was just chasing a stronger trip or a better high. He is one of the reasons I joined this site to learn and understand the peculiarities of certain substances and what not to do with them. Not just for myself, but also for my friends.
 
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sounds more like the guy ate a little too much datura...

I'm all for guinea pigging things that have been tested alone for effects and synergising them before anyone else.. thats all. I'm not about to go eating random leaves of plants off the street.
 
What ever he did it was obviously stupid yes, was just chipping in my two cents because I'd hate to see a decent BL member in the same boat.

As long as you do things somewhat responsibly i'm sure it will be fine anyway, and as I said i'm curious to hear your results haha.
 
I think you should first answer this.

Has there ever been any drug (or combination of drugs) which exactly mimics the effects of another?

Afaik, no.

I wish you luck in your research though and will be checking this thread for sure.
 
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