Opioids working out/lifting weights on opiates

[Pegasus]

^That's all true, but you could always just do exercise that doesn't require weights! I usually practice strikes or do some other explosive type exercise when on opiates. To be honest, I don't really get the desire to lift while on opiates, just to move like crazy!

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've read multiple places that opiates have been shown to lower testostrone(sp?). In fact, some long term addicts have to take testostorne from the doctor to get their levels back up. And, I will say from personal experince it was always better to save your opiates for after workout, because nodding in/out (to me) is the enjoyable part of the high. Can't really nod out lifting weights..

like negrogesic brought up?

Long term use of opioids is suppressive in regards to the production of testosterone. You can still make gains, but the gains will be more difficult to obtain and will come slower. Again, it suppresses but does not eliminate testosterone.

Steroids will correct this, and it is possible to get very big while using opioids (not suggested though). If you are shooting up, the trauma from injecting will make weightlifting more difficult and painful as virtually all exercise employ the use of the arms (even leg exercises like squats).....

Bupe is less suppressive than heroin or methadone, but still reduces both serum and unbound testosterone levels. One could probably make decent gains while on bupe, but still less than would have without it....

Once you stop taking opioids, your testosterone levels rebound very quickly, and may contribute to the horniness some people have following the acute withdrawal phase....

 

[Jabberwocky]

^That's all true, but you could always just do exercise that doesn't require weights! I usually practice strikes or do some other explosive type exercise when on opiates. To be honest, I don't really get the desire to lift while on opiates, just to move like crazy!

well that's right, everyones different - i just happen to not like working out while already high, well maybe toward the end. depending on how "fucked up" i am and on what opiate i'll want to just walk around sometimes as well, aimlessly cleaning things here and there kind of thing.

i like a bit of shadow boxing as well, or some skipping. i just happen to have a bar in my room and can use easily, doing a few sets of curls or presses or whatever, half and hour before i shoot up. i'll do like 5 quick pull ups right before i'm about to spike just to have the veins fully pumped again.

i have noticed this(a few reps right before IVing) definitely causes problems with my blood clotting after the injection. a few instances, even with a compress on up to 10mins, my blood still hadn't clotted and was still slowly dripping out every now and then until i noticed. it was only minute, mind you.

 

[newbie22]

like negrogesic brought up?

Yeah, that post wasn't there till after I posted my message. I wouldn't have posted it if I had seen that first.

 

[Jabberwocky]

that's cool man, i wasn't having a dig at you, just pointing you to the info

 

[arthunter888]

Taking opiates before a workout is kind of a waste. A) It could be dangerous because of resistance to pain. B) You would probably end the high quicker as physical exertion increases metabolism and also the increased water you need to drink would add to eliminating the opiate.

I would time it so the opiate high begins right when your done working out. You should get a nice opiate rush after a workout from internal endorphins, so the way I see it the external opiate should combine with this rush very nicely, and your tolerance should be slightly lower after a workout (not sure, just a hunch).

 

[chemanthonys69]

Yeah I did make gains. I don't measure my weight/height, muscle mass or body fat ratio anything like that though. All I know is I used to love going to the gym doped up, and I would make it part of the post-getting high ritual (the adrenaline rush made it an even better high for me). At first I would get burned out within a few sets, after a while I could spend a good half hour to hour doing set after set. I definitely have a much more muscular body than I had before I started using heroin for sure.

I think you should work out again, but try different doses of your pain meds. Saving some pain meds for after exercise can be very rewarding.

Weird cap'in I was under the impression that opiates caused muscle deterioration. Or maybe that was benzos IDK. I like working out on opiates too. It makes me feel like god pushing weights around like balloons, but I usually pay for it the next day.lol

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You shouldn't be on opiates and working out. At most run, play basketball or whatever sport you play. Lifting weights is a bad idea, been lifting since I was 12 (on and off). If you're trying to get stronger you shouldn't be on opiates, period. Your gains would be dramatically effected, not to mention how dangerous it is. It's dangerous enough when you aren't high. Just ask Stafon Johnson.

All you guys that do take opiates and go lift should stop, get off the opiates, then get back to the gym and build your body and mind. The discipline you get from a strict workout regime will carry over into other parts of your life. Your mind will be "clear". You'll be able to think with a clear head. Don't waste you're time on the opiates in the gym.

I exercised on heroin and buprenorphine frequently (still do on the latter - that being the buprenorphine) and it's 100% fine for me.

I think it's not the best health advice to tell people not to exercise until they get off of opiates.

 

[DangerChamber]

Yeah they already do a good enough job at making me lazy

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Weird cap'in I was under the impression that opiates caused muscle deterioration. Or maybe that was benzos IDK. I like working out on opiates too. It makes me feel like god pushing weights around like balloons, but I usually pay for it the next day.lol

I think it's amphetamines which encourage loss of muscle mass, not opiates or benzos. I'm not 100% clear on this though.

 

[Jayman]

I find that the opiates that are less "Feel Good" opiates are better for workouts, because you waste the "High" if you engage into a ball busting work out with say oxycodone.

Not to mention if you take too much of the pain medication, say the dose required for your usual opiate experiance you will probaly be all chilled out and thats not what you want.

I like to use Morphine sulfate oral for my Squats and Deadlifts. But i usualy pay for it the next day in the form of looking like a retard when i stand and walk up steps. Looks like someone made me their bitch but its an incredible work out.

Say like 1 to 2 30mg Morphine pills will have you still energized and a little numb. Take precautions as you normaly would such as stretching and warm ups.

If you like other opiates instead of Morphine and they tend to get you down or chilled too much, try an energy drink or a few glasses of coffee. Thats what i usualy like to go to work on. A Rockstar and 2-3 Hydrocodone's will have me straight, and having fun while i work.

 

[Jayman]

Also Opiates are much much better for your workouts than Amphetamines and such stimulants.

Why?

For muscle mass. The slower your metabolism the better you are. With a fast Metabolism if you arnt getting enough food or protein in your diet your body will start to digest itself taking protein from the muscles you are trying to build. And this includes while you sleep too.

Its true, do your research.

Captain.Heroin you are correct amphetamines will rob your muscles of the protein they already have. If you want mass then try to slow down your metabolism. If you are trying to get cut up, well dont use alot of stimulants but some could be used.

You may gain some extra body fat and retain some water with the use of opiates as and aid in weight training but you will shed it all when you begin your cutting cycle. Should be 8 weeks by 8 weeks in each cycle.

 

[play121]

At the very least it will keep your veins in better shape.

 

[thebrownone]

Well I'm on suboxone now, working out is not a problem. I am switching to methadone soon, so well see how that works out.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Well I'm on suboxone now, working out is not a problem. I am switching to methadone soon, so well see how that works out.

Good luck. I won't say methadone is more difficult to work out on since I don't know for sure, but I have worked out after a K experience, got really light headed. That's not to say I couldn't work out I most certainly did. I just think a lot of you all might not like working out with NMDA receptor antagonism.

 

[skn]

As someone already said earlier, be careful because you may injure yourself and not be able to feel it. I know this from experience. I was snowboarding when I broke my arm while already high on oxycontin. I broke it right below the shoulder, and it broke on an angle. Very odd sensation not being to feel my arm or move it at all but also feeling very little pain.

oxys good but its not that good

 

[newbie22]

I exercised on heroin and buprenorphine frequently (still do on the latter - that being the buprenorphine) and it's 100% fine for me.

I think it's not the best health advice to tell people not to exercise until they get off of opiates.

But Captain studies have shown opiates do lower your testostorne, which plays a big part in working out. You take a very low dose of suboxone (if I remember correctly) so it might not effect it as much. But the only way you could make gains and still use opiates is if you had a high enough tolerance to where your dose doesn't effect you as much.

To actually be high on opiates (nodding) and working out is IMO not a good combo. So I think that actually is good health advice. I mean, just save your morning dose AFTER your morning work out. That's all.

 

[Pegasus]

^Different opiates affect testosterone to different degrees. Morphine does so quite a bit, while buprenorphine barely does at all.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

But Captain studies have shown opiates do lower you testostorne, which plays a big part in working out. You take a very low dose of suboxone (if I remember correctly) so it might not effect it as much. But the only way you could make gains and still use opiates is if you had a high enough tolerance to where your dose doesn't effect you as much.

To actually be high on opiates (nodding) and working out is IMO not a good combo. So I think that actually is good health advice. I mean, just save your morning dose AFTER your morning work out. That's all.

Yeah I didn't like "nodding out" on opiates. I liked staying awake and enjoying the opiate high.

And as BW said, opiates effect it to varied degrees. I am sure buprenorphine has very little effect on testosterone levels, especially at < 1000mcg per day.

 

[newbie22]

^Different opiates affect testosterone to different degrees. Morphine does so quite a bit, while buprenorphine barely does at all.

Damn, I should have read the post earlier that mentioned that. I usually assume the term "opiates" speaks for all opiates, even though bupe is partial agonist. Good point though.

And Captain, I don't think opiates effect you working out because it is bupe and you don't do that much, but I wouldn't suggest the same for people doing the popular opiates (Morphine, Heroin, Hydros) as those do lower test (according to research).