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Just a thought... Donation bar

Surely you'll get more people donating if the "donation bar" goes up when people make a donation? At the moment its not increasing, and it can't be possible that no-one is donating??!

Yeah I know i should donate rather than moan... but I'm known for my moaning.

Anyone else agree?
 
i didn't notice. the bar does not go up after someone donates?
 
Thats a good point actually... wasnt that supposed to be updated weeks ago?

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This is going to sound stupid, but we have a donation bar? I've seen the donation links, but no bar.

But yes, I do think that it is a good idea.
 
Hey Chris, nice to see you posting. Knew you couldnt just sit back in the shadows forever ;)
 
This is going to sound stupid, but we have a donation bar? I've seen the donation links, but no bar.

But yes, I do think that it is a good idea.

Yes, when you click on the link theres a bar that keeps track of how far along we are with donations.
 
Surely you'll get more people donating if the "donation bar" goes up when people make a donation? At the moment its not increasing, and it can't be possible that no-one is donating??!

Yeah I know i should donate rather than moan... but I'm known for my moaning.

Anyone else agree?

Thats a good point actually... wasnt that supposed to be updated weeks ago?

Lazy admin :p
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Lazy admin updated on Jan 13.....we haven't had an update since that we could publish. We'll see what we can do on that.


Just to confirm, The donation bar does NOT go up with a donation.

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And you verified this ... by donating? Or the "moan at it" method? ;)



This raises a good point, one I'm not sure has been addressed in this thread (and I accept, but will still stomp my feet a bit) over people not reading multiple pages to find it if it is in the thread....though I think it's not.

The donation bar is a manually updated thing by the admin. The reason being, donations made via the alert-pay are NOT the only donations that come in. There are monies from our helping of research efforts and other sources (such as Rexeh above) which simply wouldn't be caught by the alert-pay system, so an admin needs to have visibility into the funding account to know how much we currently have. Here, I'll quote myself as it relates:

Most of these financial details are in the hands of the site owner, johnboy, who responded earlier in this thread over a year ago to questions over details, but the current information is not in the hands of the admins at this time. We're working on getting those details more available, because as you note - why not keep them public? That would be the intent. But how much are we paid through right now? How much has to be in hand, and by when? We don't have that in hand right now, but are getting it from the owner. We'll update the public information accordingly as soon as we can.

So, there WILL be a need for manual updates to the bar regardless of the alert-pay system. The next expected question would be "Can the bar at least update automatically when someone does do an alert-pay donation?" Definitely maybe possible. Just not right now. Ideally, we'd have a way to follow up on several ideas raised in this thread, including some ways to recognize donors (should they choose to have recognition, not all who give wish it to be known) as well as how to update the bar more frequently and accurately. All I can really say is "We'll update the public information (including the bar, and these other items) as soon as we can.
 
And you verified this ... by donating? Or the "moan at it" method? ;)

Well I tried moaning at it first but it didn't seem to have any effect on the bar, so then i tried donating and... that didn't either ;)
 
Would it be a good idea to offer greenlighers and bluelighters...

i agree with felix that offering something like that would cause more problems than it would be worth. the incentive for people to donate should be because they want to support and give back to the community that has given so much to so many over the past 10+ years, not because they want to buy a special title or some other kind of special privileges.

now, perhaps there could be some kind of tangible item available at different donation levels, such as a bluelight tshirt if you donate $20 or something (first thing that came to mind), but that would be a project by itself with its own unique problems/issues.
 
Most people aren't here after 10 years, or 5 years for that matter... or even 2 years, sadly. Bluelight won't be here either if we wait that long for current users to suffer a pang of altruism.

Relying on altruistic gestures for survival has never been a reliable business model. There needs to be another incentive beyond doing the right thing™. I'm sure some simple usergroup-based differences could be implemented in the current software architecture. Switching individual donators over to a second usergroup isn't that much work - seems like a small amount of labour to ensure additional income.

PM inbox size would be an obvious feature, maybe larger avatar filesize (as in file kbs, not physical dimensions)? Of course, automating usergroup changes to a confirmed donation would be the sustainable way to go... but baby steps.
 
^^^^^I agree

I absolutely want to donate despite my current poverty. This site has kept me safe an incalculable amount of times. My only hesitation is that after I donate, inscentives will be given to new donators, forgetting about the first bunch.

Also, if we go the tee-shirt route.... can we order some big enough to fit my fat American ass?

It's such a catch 22 because it needs money to survive, yet this information needs to remain free. Simply charging for a membership would go against the princip;es of the site.

I dunno, what if we just asked for a dollar or two for a year membership? still seems wrong
 
Alrighty BL, we's got our returns from the Internal Raping Service... you'll be getting an inflated dolla' (just dont tell MGS - we'll say he's frugal due to his heritage...) lolz.
 
What happens if the goal isn't met? The site goes offline. Simple. Now, to add wrinkles to that, the huge target was intended to pay for the year's hosting in advance. Obviously, we didn't have the full amount at the turn of the year. Instead, we're adjusting from a 'year in advance' discount over to a 'pay as you go' pricing (quarterly, semi-annual, monthly? I can't say - I simply don't have that information in hand to offer). Suffice to say we had enough from last year to keep us going for a bit, but we'll need more money to stay up for the year. Most of these financial details are in the hands of the site owner, johnboy, who responded earlier in this thread over a year ago to questions over details, but the current information is not in the hands of the admins at this time. We're working on getting those details more available, because as you note - why not keep them public? That would be the intent. But how much are we paid through right now? How much has to be in hand, and by when? We don't have that in hand right now, but are getting it from the owner. We'll update the public information accordingly as soon as we can.

Apologies are nice, in that they acknowledge a shortcoming on someone's part. We apologize. The bad thing about apologies is that they DO NOT change the situation. We've been in this boat for 2 months now without an update, and the public should not be asked to donate when there is such a lack of response - we have contacted our site owner for an update, and will relay it as soon as we can. We acknowledge the current system of operating on 'Bluelight Time' (when we can get to it) is unacceptable when we're asking for your time and money. :\ In that email to the owner, we have also requested (limited) access to the account, so we don't need to rely on go-between communications and can update this more frequently.

The donation bar is a manually updated thing by the admin. The reason being, donations made via the alert-pay are NOT the only donations that come in. There are monies from our helping of research efforts and other sources (such as Rexeh above) which simply wouldn't be caught by the alert-pay system, so an admin needs to have visibility into the funding account to know how much we currently have.

There are many such research efforts ongoing in our DRUG STUDIES forum, however many of those do not provide any financial benefit for the site and are primarily functioning for the sake of science. The few that BL chooses to actively support, and in general will return some financial reward for helping recruitment in studies, will be advertised primarily two ways - the banner adds in the top right corner, and some forum focused links we put in the headers of certain forums (if the study is targetting a certain demographic, we take that extra step to advertise in those areas).

That said, the current Inflexxion study on prescription stimulants will be running through the end of the month, and we are stepping up our advertising of that particular study in return for a good portion of our site's financial needs for the year. I know some may ask if we're simply selling out, and our stance is no - we will not associate ourselves, or give support, to someone intending to simply misrepresent us and our members. We also strive for situations where our members may only need to fill out an online survey, anonymously, so all they are asked to give of themselves is a little time, and in return the site gets some monies to keep us online and available for everyone. Your privacy and safety remains a priority. Moreover, we are functioning as a means of recruitment for these studies, this does not mean we endorse the product or result of the studies, but that we are confident in the researcher's efforts at honesty and progress and hope to share their findings with the public at the conclusion of the research.

So, while we DO owe a general update on our financial health as promised above, both in terms of where we are today and where those funds are being spent; we are indeed asking for you to continue to give - if not your money (until we can better justify it's use to you), at least for your time in participating in t his current study which will most certainly benefit the site. Thank you.
 
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