So.... who cares about the meth addicts?

[Pillthrill]

I care. I have some that have been cruel to me after everything I have done so fuck them.
But I care here. I know how addictive meth can be just with my short lived experience.
I would like to see all those struggling with it get better!

 

[Jabberwocky]

MrIbis - I personally don't give a flying fuck about the dopey, dull-minded smackheads - the shifty sons of bitches I've known them to be in my time - either, but that doesn't mean I don't support the programs that are available for them to get clean..

i'm a "smackhead" and i don't think i'm a dull minded person, nor am i shifty - some may disagree . i live a functional life, albeit not the ideal lifestyle. i just don't think these generalisations need to be made by anyone in her especially in a thread that is for support for those who are addicted.

 

[MrIbis]

yeah fuck oath, hyroller get off your fucking high horse. i bet you'd froth at the mouth if i were to show you the rocks a friends got... but thats another story.

We're not dull-minded smackheads.. we just enjoy a bit of pain relief type numbness.. when ur on an 8ball a day ur not in control - ur in control when you say HEY TIME TO DO SOMETHING BOUT THIS SHIT.

So go fuck yourself, jump off the westgate if a day without meth isn't a day worth living.


btw, first time clean, i did just suck it up and cop the withdrawals...

Go tell your fucking doctor... get your bottle of valium. take as prescribed, in a weeks time, meth wont seem like such a good idea any more.. sorry thats the treatment for EVERYTHING else, and you'll have to deal with that, instead of yelling at everyone who thinks that either meth addiction is a joke, or meth addicts need to harden the fuck up because the real physical aspect that your legs are being pulled from their sockets at 4am, whilst you sweat and wish you were dying or could eat - coz thats what a real WD feels like...

 

[ayjay]

^ hey let's get back on topic and stop flaming each other - or is this thread over and should be closed?

I can't really add much here myself - excellent posts by Footscrazy mainly have just about covered it.

All the drug treatment services out there (in Vic anyway) are meant to be for people who use any drug - not just opioids. At state and federal levels, there have been efforts to skill up drug workers around methamphetamine use. But of course it wouldn't surprise me if there are workers out there who haven't caught up yet. Frankly - I haven't really had any positive feedback from anyone about talking therapy - counselling etc. There are probably a few good counsellors out there but you have to be lucky. As talking therapies have the best evidence base for meth treatment (CBT etc) then to me that says that if you are seeking treatment for meth use then you might have trouble finding the right counsellor...

 

[Luude]

i'm an IVer and shoot morphine, i don't look down on heroin users at all

now that he's ran out of his xanax script, through his own abuse and "goodwill" of handing out to friends, he feels he should be able to require more help by getting another script from the ER or another doctor.

he should take his own advice, get off his arse and suck it up and deal with his own actions rather expecting doctors to feel sorry for him, rescript him only for him to probably go and abuse his script again. he's a drug seeker, plain and simple. he's one of those people ruining for those of us who need legitimate treatment and don't get it.

Get off my arse? I earn more in a month than you do in a year. Im not asking for sympathy, im asking for opinions regarding getting another script...you've inferred im addicted, i binged, etc etc without even meeting me. Are you a clairvoyant?

You need legitimate treatment? Im glad you got it, because now i can lap up my success whilst grinning ear to ear knowing you battle with addiction everyday. That makes me happy.

Sounds like you have really good aspirations to succeed in life. Your a leech sucking the life out of society and i cringe knowing that my tax dollars go to your dole bludging crippled arse.

 

[Pierrot the clown]

Methamphetamine doest not have substitution (... Or maybe adderall or other uppers) instead of opiates.

Many researches taunt to create a substitution of meth to cure tweekers.

I've read that Rimcazole (a Simga Antagonist) could help with cocaine/meth psychosis. Rimcazole reduce the effect of cocaine because it modulate the sigma receptor on which cocaine acts.

Rimcazole
Simga Receptor

 

[ds333]

I'd imagine dexamphetamine would be a suitable substitute for meth as far as treating withdrawal symptoms but it's got pretty much the same abuse potential as meth and it'd basically be just a direct substitution. The only real medical benefit of it in this case is lesser neurotoxicity, which is still a good thing of course, but it won't have the same sorts of benefits as opiate substituents do for heroin addiction - the high from dexamp is still gonna be very comparable to that from meth, unlike methadone/heroin.

 

[Jakeperson]

Get off my arse? I earn more in a month than you do in a year. Im not asking for sympathy, im asking for opinions regarding getting another script...you've inferred im addicted, i binged, etc etc without even meeting me. Are you a clairvoyant?

You need legitimate treatment? Im glad you got it, because now i can lap up my success whilst grinning ear to ear knowing you battle with addiction everyday. That makes me happy.

Sounds like you have really good aspirations to succeed in life. Your a leech sucking the life out of society and i cringe knowing that my tax dollars go to your dole bludging crippled arse.

Spot the hypocrisy. Don't call some one out on making assumptions about you and then do it back.
Also the amount of money you make doesn't make you a better person, usually the opposite from what I've experienced.
Not saying that it does make you a bad person but being arrogant about it isn't the best way to show it.


TO EVERY ONE ELSE
No one here is worse off or their addiction deserves more treatment or sympathy.
There is no better or worse only DIFFERENT.
Stop flaming, get back on topic and PLUR.

 

[puckboy]

I'd imagine dexamphetamine would be a suitable substitute for meth as far as treating withdrawal symptoms.

I agree.

but it's got pretty much the same abuse potential as meth and it'd basically be just a direct substitution.

I disagree, for a meth addict who would be amphetamine tolerant - therapeutic doses of d-amp would produce no high, rather it would just make them feel 'normal' by removing the w/ds, keep in mind that it would be dispensed like methadone is to heroin addicts so they wouldn't have enough d-amp to get spun anyway. Meth has a much higher abuse potential due to it's increased potency and the fact most addicts smoke/IV it which isn't possible with 5mg dexies, so you can't achieve that same rush. Even snorting would not be possible due to the fact you'd have to snort so many dexies (massive amount of powder/binders) to equal an average line of meth. Meth also lasts longer and is more euphoric overall due to the increased potency.

The only real medical benefit of it in this case is lesser neurotoxicity, which is still a good thing of course, but it won't have the same sorts of benefits as opiate substituents do for heroin addiction.

The lesser neurotoxicity is a large benefit indeed. Meth releases serotonin and dopamine while d-amp only releases dopamine unless you take large doses where it will release serotonin also. I agree with you that it isn't as good a substitue as heroin/opiate addicts have, but it is still a worthwhile substitute for a meth addict.

the high from dexamp is still gonna be very comparable to that from meth

I'm talking about very heavy users of meth who use daily for extended periods of time, crash for a day or so and continue, almost all of them smoking or IVing it. The effects they're going to get from a therapeutic/maintenance dose of d-amp will be nowhere near that of their meth highs. They're not comparable at all. Don't get me wrong though, d-amp can be comparable to meth for those who rarely use amps, or once a month etc but they're not the people that would be receiving d-amp for maintenance anyway.

They would not have access to an amount of d-amp to achieve a high, just enough to stop the w/ds. Just like heroin addicts aren't given their months worth of methadone all at once, meth addicts would probably have to collect their daily amount of d-amp each day from a clinic - making it impossible to abuse or get high. Though they're ridded of the w/ds.

I've never been addicted to meth, but I've had my fair share of it and am prescribed d-amp for other medical purposes. And I honestly believe it could work very well for alot of heavily addicted meth users wanting to quit but can't due to being unable to deal with the w/d symptoms.

The only problem is that meth addicts could use meth ontop of their d-amp, so there would need to be frequent drug tests probably to make sure they aren't doing that. I'm quite sure theres tests that can differentiate between methamp and dexamp.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Get off my arse? I earn more in a month than you do in a year. Im not asking for sympathy, im asking for opinions regarding getting another script...you've inferred im addicted, i binged, etc etc without even meeting me. Are you a clairvoyant?

i didn't need to infer anything. i read your post last night that got UA'd. also

Fuck benzo's (namely Xanax), they're evil fucked up substances that lead to nothing good.

Im tapering off Xanax now and its the shittest thing ive been through in a long time.

I love Benzo's, but fuck i hate them at the same time. Bad news.

yeah my clairvoyancy is going off the radar tonight, maybe i could earn a few quid off it. all the money in the world can't buy happiness it seems. i can lap it up knowing i'm not addicted to benzo's. see i can be an arsehole too.

 

[ds333]

leftwing,

Why keep responding to his posts? You know he's just going to say the same thing over and over, and arguing with him in 3 seperate threads isn't exactly filling these threads with the information-packed, HR goodness that I like to see on bluelight!

puckboy,

Your post does put things a little more in perspective for me - most of my experience with d-amp (well, 75% d-amp, 25% l-amp specifically) is with Adderall caps, which contained 30mg active ingredient per capsule, and the tiny balls in one capsule crush to less powder than one 5mg dexy, making insufflation much more appealing and higher doses much easier to acheive.

As for the tests, I'm not sure how long the metabolites of d-amp and meth remain different, I'd imagine it would be pretty doable though.

Stop flaming, get back on topic and PLUR.

 

[puckboy]

puckboy,

Your post does put things a little more in perspective for me - most of my experience with d-amp (well, 75% d-amp, 25% l-amp specifically) is with Adderall caps, which contained 30mg active ingredient per capsule, and the tiny balls in one capsule crush to less powder than one 5mg dexy, making insufflation much more appealing and higher doses much easier to acheive.

As for the tests, I'm not sure how long the metabolites of d-amp and meth remain different, I'd imagine it would be pretty doable though.

Yeah, in Australia we only get 5mg IR dexamphetamine tablets.

Regarding the drug testing, my psychiatrist said they can do a particular test to determine whether you've used methamp or dexamp. He may have just said that to scare me into not doing any meth while I'm being tested though

 

[ds333]

Yeah the 5mg tablets are all i've found from fellow aussies, my adderall was from some american friends of mine who brought what was left of their prescriptions over.

 

[stealthtrucker]

What should really happen is methamphetamine should be legalised and then we wont have to worry about purity and what it's been cut with and we could just go to the chemist and buy it instead of all the tweekers stealing from their parents and friends to support an expensive black market habit.

But on topic after seeing an ex friend go through the 'system' which consisted of him being held in a psychiatric ward (basically a detention centre) and then being forced to take antipsychotics which only depressed him and fucked with his head and made him overweight I don't think anyone should have to go through that.

Being held somewhere against their will and then told by some yuppie psychiatrist you're suffering from 'psychosis' and the psyche has no clue what meth is even like or the lifestyle and social effects of taking it is like.

They (the government) or the health department needs to implement a new strategy which allows GPs to prescribe dexamphetamine to drug addicted patients instead of just ADHD.

And what also needs to happen is that adult ADD needs to be understood and it needs to be understood that this is a problem that a lot of people are faced with and many of them turn to street drugs to fix it. (Especially marijuana) and speed also.

It needs to be brought out into the open and the stereotype of "kids grow out of it" needs to be sqaushed because it just isn't true. Most kids don't grow out of it.

It's a plague of society today and no one wants to face it, no one wants to realise the full potential of a wonder drug like dexamphetamine and it's a shame.

 

[PrettyKitty]

I have a friend who is a meth addict and I strongly disagree with the view that they plague society. She is always home and by the phone when my computer breaks down and I need her to fix it.

She is a mastermind of electronic remair, rebuild, and refabrication knowledge.

If you're not sleeping you could be learning how to take apart electronics and that is one very valuable skill.

 

[swilow]

^That is true, but we need some sleepers to DREAM for us

 

[puckboy]

What should really happen is methamphetamine should be legalised and then we wont have to worry about purity and what it's been cut with and we could just go to the chemist and buy it instead of all the tweekers stealing from their parents and friends to support an expensive black market habit.

I'm all for legalisation of alot of drugs, though meth is one I'm not so sure about. While being highly addictive and neurotoxic, I think you'd see a huge increase in the amount of people using it way too much especially in this fast paced society where people would love it for it's ability to keep them awake longer, work longer hours, making more money etc. There would be more cases of psychosis no doubt from people binging with that kind of availability. I remember watching a doco about meth which essentially showed the higher the purity of meth on the streets the increase there was of addicts.

Perhaps legalising lesser amps like dexamphetamine or amphetamine sulphate would be a better option and would satisfy most tweakers cravings for some 'speed'.

They (the government) or the health department needs to implement a new strategy which allows GPs to prescribe dexamphetamine to drug addicted patients instead of just ADHD.

I completely agree.

And what also needs to happen is that adult ADD needs to be understood and it needs to be understood that this is a problem that a lot of people are faced with and many of them turn to street drugs to fix it. (Especially marijuana) and speed also.

Again, I agree. I have adult ADD apparently, though was never diagnosed until last year at age 20. It is interesting you mention marijuana also as those are the only two drugs that could ever allow me to focus on one thing (eg. read a book, study for longer then ~10-20 minutes amongst other things). I've always been very easily distracted but dexamphetamine and marijuana stop that. It's no wonder I became heavily psychologically dependant on weed for ~6 years using mostly daily which I've only just recently cut back on to using once or twice a fortnight and am now prescribed dexamphetamine. Without one of either of those 2 drugs my thoughts would be all over the place, bouncing from one thing to another. I could never just think in a straight line and focus on something for a decent amount of time, marijuana and 'speed' both fixed it.

 

[PrettyKitty]

^That is true, but we need some sleepers to DREAM for us

Dreamers are cool cats too

 

[MrIbis]

I really think meth needs no full pharmacotherapy. If there are issues that lead persons to use meth because they're narcoleptic or something similar, perhaps those should be addressed by doctors or psychiatrists? If you're too tired to keep up, or get up, and its ongoing - see a doctor - not a crackpipe.

Now, to tell this dr, your lil friend meth helps you with every day life- they're gonna think, hey this is a junkie - they want cheap legal replacements. thus almost fucking you.

So see your family doc first, or one who knows your social requirements.

And as i've posted earlier, if there really isn't an underlying issue, and ur just a meth head, who loves meth, and everything about it - perhaps see the doc, get a bottle of valium - take a week off and dry the fuck out... funnily enough life slaps ya in the face when you come out of the lil slump.

Also, addressing prescribing of S8 meds by GPs. THEY DONT LIKE DOING IT? - why?
Because they got this thing called the gov up their arse saying, hey why are you applying for more licenses to supply this drug to people... are you a quack?

It's all not so simple. And when you've spent $100k + 8yrs to get where you are.. as if you'd risk fucking that up for a meth head?

 

[yamfries]

Hey great topic, this is of particular concern in my hometown.

There aren't any rehabilitation centers in our entire region, except for in Ontario which is some ways off.

This means that the meth addicts who have clinically significant brain damage, or are being evaluated for mental illness get stuck in the same psychiatric ward as little old ladies with alzheimer's disease and kids with suicidal ideation.

There are a few problems with this:

a) If they become paranoid or violent, they pose a significant risk to other
patients. Unfortunately meth addicts actually do have a much greater risk
of harming other patients, due to the sympathetic arousal combined with
amphetamine psychosis and paranoid dellusions... Generally thats why
they've been admitted in the first place. Don't take this out of context:
I'm not saying meth addicts are violent, terrible people, but the drug can
cause them to be a risk. I'm sure not all of them are like that once the habit
has caught up to their body.

b) Doctors aren't well equipped to help them. Typically what happens is that
they are put on antipsychotics, sedated for a few days, and then discharged
with literally no treatment, and still addicted.
For some reason people are surprised when they show up again 8)


Personally, I think its a tragedy. People don't roll out of bed in the morning and go "Hey, I'm gonna have some meth, become addicted, and destroy my life!"

There are obvious biological, social and psychological factors which leads people to have a substance abuse disorder. To neglect these and say that someone is just bad or subhuman is simply lazy.
People are complex, yet they act the way they do for a reason. Surprise!!!

Anyways, here are some things which I think need to be solved:

a) Medicines which help with amphetamine withdrawal. I've heard bupropion
has been used to some success, but only at combating comorbid
depression and speeding up recovery.
Why not give daily dispensaries of Vyvanse?
Better yet, why not add capsiacin to the beads so it cannot be snorted?
Seems foolproof to me...

b) There need to be a greater amount of combined drug rehabilitation and
psychiatric wards. Seriously, it just makes sense, and considering the cost
of drug addiction, its not a bad idea. Plus psychiatrists would be able to
commit patients until they were convinced they had kicked their addiction
and stabilized, and treat the mental illnesses that often go hand in hand
or even cause/predispose the addiction.
These wards would focus on all drug addictions, not certain types...

c) The public perception of Meth really needs to change. Yeah, some of them
are at a greater risk of being violent, but seriously, if your brain was so fried
you had to be committed to a psych ward you'd probably want to hit people too. Also, greater awareness should be made for
amphetamine geared rehabilitation programs if they exist. If the addicts
don't know about it then what the fuck are they good for?

I'm not sure what you guys mean when you say doctors are restricted from
prescribing schedule 2 (canada) medications...
From my understanding they can and do prescribe them.
For instance, I have a friend who is on adderall for depression after a few
antidepressants failed for her.
Maybe our doctors don't get ridden as hard as the US ones?

Bah whatever, our doctors can't do anything because our healthcare system is "a socialist piece of crap" and "third world."

Tsk tsk, valuing human life above money... Disgusting. Only rich junkies deserve to live! Yet our debt is what? Still in the billions?
I forget, what was your guys debt again?
(sorry, I've been listening to the radio too much. Could someone tell the US politicians to stop being mean to us? Other countries have free healthcare you can slander too, its not just us... Thanks.)