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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Oxymorphone said:
I just sublingual it because it is hard to get the tiny bupe doses you would need for an equivalent taper on...
30-40min seems like along time to wait, after 10min I pretty much know I'm good and ready to dose again.
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What you do if you do too soon or too much and pwd starts? You all know lots and appreicated.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I occasionally do use buprenorphine sublingually, and 2mg/day works nicely for me in that scenario. Most of the time I don't though.

16mg/day is unnecessarily high for someone with a pill habit IMO. 4-8mg/day is more like it. I did heroin for a whole year, and 6mg/day worked for me no problem.
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it really doesnt matter what opioid you used it depends more on what the dose was. you know this CH

heroin or pills it doesnt much matter

unless ur comparing heroin to codiene

but most pill addicts arent using codiene

most pills addicts use Oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, fent, etc
 
I'm currently on the last leg of tapering off of my sub maitenance plan, I started at 8mgs and now I'm currently down to 1mg (splitting the 2mg pills in half). I also chip every now and then, probably bang a couple bags of dope every couple weeks. Was just wondering, would banging a miligran or two of my sub likely bring me any euphoria whatsoever? And the naloxone really doesn't block out the effects unless ofcourse you're sending yourself into P W/Ds. I'm just curious. Also, is it possible to bang it with just a regular filtering process like what you would do with dope? Probably not but just curious. Sorry if these are dumb questions that have for sure been convered.
 
@oxymorphone
I wish I had friends like you. <g>
But yeah, Bupe is a weird drug. Low doses are just as effective. I also, IV my bupes, and do about 5-700 mcg about twice a day.
I remember when I first realized that bupe has a higher affinity than naloxone, I couldn't believe that I could IV it. Doctors find this unbelievable. Once I tell them about it, they are usually dumb-struck. They thought that was the whole point of having the naloxone, so you couldn't do it. What a number those drug reps, and the whole industry, did on these doctors.
 
HighonLife said:
most pills addicts use Oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, fent, etc
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Well yeah, in that way, it's as potent if not more so to a heroin addiction.

What I meant by a "pill habit" would be codiene, DHC, low dose hydrocodone/APAP, or oxycodone/APAP (not exceeding 20-40mg/dose). That's what I had in mind.

High dose oxycodone, high dose morphine, dilaudid, opana, fentanyl, all are like using heroin (not exactly like it but they are a lot closer to heroin in terms of potency).
 
PhantomPt2 said:
I'm currently on the last leg of tapering off of my sub maitenance plan, I started at 8mgs and now I'm currently down to 1mg (splitting the 2mg pills in half). I also chip every now and then, probably bang a couple bags of dope every couple weeks. Was just wondering, would banging a miligran or two of my sub likely bring me any euphoria whatsoever? And the naloxone really doesn't block out the effects unless ofcourse you're sending yourself into P W/Ds. I'm just curious. Also, is it possible to bang it with just a regular filtering process like what you would do with dope? Probably not but just curious. Sorry if these are dumb questions that have for sure been convered.
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The most I would recommend you IV is 0.5mg or less. And yes you can do it. It's just a question on whether or not you're good enough at IVing - missing with un-micron filtered Suboxone isn't that great (though I have missed a handful of times in the year I didn't micron filter and I'm still OK without any complications, and now I micron filter.)

It's better to micron filter a pill, IMO, but it can be done without micron filtering (a cotton filter might be ideal if it's all you have).

lazylazyjoe said:
Doctors find this unbelievable. Once I tell them about it, they are usually dumb-struck. They thought that was the whole point of having the naloxone, so you couldn't do it. What a number those drug reps, and the whole industry, did on these doctors.
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LOL

For real. Some doctors would think they're trying to pull a quick one on them so they might not all believe you. I feel sorry for the ones that do and realize the pointlessness in "Suboxone" lol.
 
lazylazyjoe said:
@oxymorphone
I wish I had friends like you. <g>
But yeah, Bupe is a weird drug. Low doses are just as effective. I also, IV my bupes, and do about 5-700 mcg about twice a day.
I remember when I first realized that bupe has a higher affinity than naloxone, I couldn't believe that I could IV it. Doctors find this unbelievable. Once I tell them about it, they are usually dumb-struck. They thought that was the whole point of having the naloxone, so you couldn't do it. What a number those drug reps, and the whole industry, did on these doctors.
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Ha, thanks. I really need to get the micron filtering gear together, I just need some wheel filters and sterile water or benzyl alcohol to make my own sterile water at this point. Fucking around with dope, fentanyl, and dilaudid then going back to bupe is damn expensive and I need to straighten my life out and quit fucking around (too much that is, I think IV suboxone is a great compromise to make me feel like I'm still using and getting my needle fix, but then again getting back to IVing starting with bupe helped trigger my little relapse). I have extra 4-5ml vials I've been using which have been great. They were actually extra Narcan vials (I got 4 from the exchange) so I emptied out two of them and drew the Narcan into 3ml syringes then sealed them. Hopefully the Narcan in the syringes will stay sterile if I ever end up needing to use them- it's convenient it is already ready to be injected in a needle I just hope it doesn't grow bacteria.

Anyway the vials are a great size and I've been using them for fentanyl extractions from mylan patches. I would extract 5mg from a patch and dissolve it in 4ml of vodka and keep it in the vials. Then every 1 unit equals 10mcg of fentanyl. So I would draw out 300-500mcg and dilute it with water and inject. Kind of off topic but that's my fentanyl extraction method and it worked damn well for precise IVing and went well after the initial rush of dope or if I didn't have anything else. I was really paranoid and cautious about ODing at first but after shooting 25mg or so in a couple weeks and it isn't all that scary as people make it out to be and I never felt like I was near an OD threshold.

Sorry got off topic there, back to your post, I really want to set some of these cocky doctors who think they know everything straight on suboxone and teach them a thing or two but they also write my scripts so I don't want them to know or think I'm abusing or taking it not as prescribed.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The most I would recommend you IV is 0.5mg or less. And yes you can do it. It's just a question on whether or not you're good enough at IVing - missing with un-micron filtered Suboxone isn't that great (though I have missed a handful of times in the year I didn't micron filter and I'm still OK without any complications, and now I micron filter.)

It's better to micron filter a pill, IMO, but it can be done without micron filtering (a cotton filter might be ideal if it's all you have).
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Would I get high off of that little amount of sub? Would I get a rush? I mean I know everyone is different. Is IV sub a lot different, that 2mgs would be too much. Sorry about all of the assinine questions.
 
PhantomPt2 said:
Would I get high off of that little amount of sub? Would I get a rush? I mean I know everyone is different. Is IV sub a lot different, that 2mgs would be too much. Sorry about all of the assinine questions.
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It varies, I really can't say. You might though, the only way to tell is to find out by trying it. It's a possibility I just don't know how I can help gauge how likely it is for you. If anything you'll feel the effects quicker, which is pleasant.

If you do try it let us know.
 
PhantomPt2 said:
Would I get high off of that little amount of sub? Would I get a rush? I mean I know everyone is different. Is IV sub a lot different, that 2mgs would be too much. Sorry about all of the assinine questions.
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If you have little to no tolerance yes you would get completely ripped IVing .5mg. The key to getting a rush or high from suboxone is not having tolerance. You would get high from .5mg sublingual with no tolerance. If you are on high or even moderate-low maintenance doses getting a rush/high from suboxone becomes extremely difficult and you need to lower your tolerance.
 
Hi all. I've been trying like hell to kick a 2 year pod plan. I got off 7 weeks ago and managed a week before relapsing and have been keeping it minimal since then, just constant low grade miserable state.
I need some advice. I simply cannot afford $800 it costs, the rough average of the few calls I've made. I only need a few, and no doc I've heard of will adjust for that.
Anyone have a referral, I've heard there are compassionate practitioners out there.
PM me with any ideas other than kratom!(stuff makes me puke)
THANKS
 
Sweating on Bupe

I'm sure this has been adressed a million times but how many people find the sweating from suboxone a major pain in the ass (I work health care and people comment on it all the time) sweating usually equated with nervousness- not a good way to inspire confidence in your patients. This megathread is too long to sift through for info. Has anything worked. Robinul is an anticholinergic that is used for presurgicaal patients, not easy to find oral formulation. had it Rx when I was on MMT. Only helped modestly. The tachycardia that was supposed to be a minimal side effect made me discontinue- I was drinking and had high bp. The tachycardia + bp= cardiac output dangerously high.

Bottom line, what works for the sweating and how many have this problem- or give me post numbers and megathread version numbers to refer to.
 
Russian^^ you should be fine in the next few days. I got on subs to quit opiates before I moved about a year ago n I didn't feel any withdrawals at all.

Good luck bro
~DJ Play~
 
jspun said:
I'm sure this has been adressed a million times but how many people find the sweating from suboxone a major pain in the ass (I work health care and people comment on it all the time) sweating usually equated with nervousness- not a good way to inspire confidence in your patients. This megathread is too long to sift through for info. Has anything worked. Robinul is an anticholinergic that is used for presurgicaal patients, not easy to find oral formulation. had it Rx when I was on MMT. Only helped modestly. The tachycardia that was supposed to be a minimal side effect made me discontinue- I was drinking and had high bp. The tachycardia + bp= cardiac output dangerously high.

Bottom line, what works for the sweating and how many have this problem- or give me post numbers and megathread version numbers to refer to.
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There's a few options to hyperhydrosis, but most of them are very infeasible. I am sorry a lot of people find sweating to be an option on Suboxone.
 
DopaMan said:
Oh dear god! Subutex is a partial agonist and will block Opanas for over 24 hours from last ingestion (if you take it regularly). PS there are only so many spots for Sub docs open, please don't utilize one if you wish to continue to get high.
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Why you on such a high fuckin horse? Or maybe being high on horse do you good.
 
And what man says oh dear god. You sure your name right? Don't mean to be confrontational, just messin with you back.
 
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