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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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So you just jumped off Subx at 4mg/day? More than a week ago, and you're fine? I read your quitting journal briefly... So you did subx for only a few days or was this time the 5 months? Either way, that's pretty unusual and impressive. But if it's been a week+ & ur not in wd, then you're good. Seems like you have a very unusual reaction, though, since most people start feeling wd a couple days after abrupt cessation of Subx.

What's your issue with k-pins? You're on a low enough dose that I think you can taper off with few acute withdrawal or even PAWS effects... But why? The cancer thing? I agree with Suboxone above, it sounds unlikely to be a real danger, at least at reasonable therapeutic doses.

I always found going off 2mg/clonazepam A LOT easier than cutting 4mg/bupe. I was able to taper in a few days (like 1mg for two, 1/2 for two, 1/4 for two, skipping a day or two in the mix to further slow the taper), but even cold turkey I found the only major issues were slight rebound anxiety and simply not having the little green monsters (Freudian slip, I meant "friends")...

Am I missing something on both questions?
 
I was on suboxone for about 18months, have been off of it for over a year now, and am on xanax 1mg daily currently (and have been for 4 yrs).
Suboxone had helped with my anxiety, and I started taking a little more xanax when I first got off of it. I had been on 3mg daily at the time (usually took 2-3, but always took 3 during that time period).
Benzos still work for me after 4 yrs. I have tapered down to .75-1mg daily and I def feel effects. My anxiety may also be alot better though, making me feel good off the xanax now.
 
socio said:
So you just jumped off Subx at 4mg/day? More than a week ago, and you're fine? I read your quitting journal briefly... So you did subx for only a few days or was this time the 5 months? Either way, that's pretty unusual and impressive. But if it's been a week+ & ur not in wd, then you're good. Seems like you have a very unusual reaction, though, since most people start feeling wd a couple days after abrupt cessation of Subx.
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This is sort of unrelated but I've been in and out of this forum for years but today I read stuff on here I just can't believe. Shooting Suboxone???? I mean that is a level that I just can't even imagine. People dying?? It's so sad here!!! RIP Carsick. I can't believe a smile like that ODed.

Anyway, I was prescribed 16mg/day (took it for five months) and I never took anywhere close to that. Usually I would just take one pill whenever I remembered. I never thought about opiates on the stuff it's pretty incredible. I would even forget to take the Subs until I started feeling w/d! I am very thankful that I my father supported me one hundred percent and paid the very expensive doctor who did not take insurance. It worked and today I am so happy. I used to go to NA but I totally disagree with their attitude. I can have a drink and be fine. Anyway, I have very intense guilt about my use and I am very open about it -- my doctor says too open to the point that I e-mailed all my professors to tell them that I used! Very dumb but I feel like it creates a safety net and I also wanted to demonstrate that every is susceptible to drug addiction or something like that.

When I first stopped, none of my "friends" believed that I would actually stop. I made it a mission to prove them wrong. I also have a feeling that I can redirect my addictive tendencies to non-drugs. I've abused almost all rec drugs except crank and all those crazy chemicals some of the people on the forum create or obtain (well I did 2c-i once). Then when I got on subs they told me w/d would be just as bad but over time they came to see that I was functional again... I became an example for them and my typical behavior in this realm of life is nothing exemplary. My dad told his psych I was on subs and his doctor freaked out which alerted my dad that bupe is the active ingredient and bupe is an opiate. my father was so worried about me quitting suboxone but I gave him the bottle and that was it. He was surprised at how little w/d I experienced.

I also needed to prove my father wrong. I owed my dealer $150.00 and had to call my dad crying one morning to pay him back because I'm too honest (I will never allow myself to be in debt). I went on a binge and was nodding off like never before. I think I was close to ODing after banging an 120mg oc and smoking .6 gs of heroin 3. I never shot up. I don't know if you can OD without shooting but I suppose the answer to that is of course. Anyway, that scared the hell out of me and led to me quitting. Got on the subs and that was it. I made new friends, started dating women, it was just so much better than nodding off in front of my friends. I also was on 2-3 mg of Klonopin the whole time which might have made things more dangerous.

All the people I used to use with after a while started to respect me because I stopped and I was a pretty heavy user amongst my group. The best day of my life was when my dealer who I stopped talking to for many months came up to me man and finally admitted to me that he was just stubborn and wanted to quit. I don't know how he is doing now but I don't think he ever told anyone that before. I felt like I had done my job by helping someone it was great.

I am hoping to do that here too. Perhaps it is unusual to so easily quit Subs but it is at least possible and I just want to let everyone who uses Subs to actually help themselves (how you recreationally use that shit I don't even know -- I mean a fat 80 line vs 2mg of subs? Are you kidding?

WHOEVER READS THIS POST AND WANTS TO BE CLEAN -- IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE N/A CLEAN -- WHATEVER CLEAN NEEDS TO BE FOR YOU -- TO BE STRONG!!

Today is my twenty-third birthday :) and I just got this e-mail from a college in Medford/Somerville:

Hello,

I want to let you know that I have just certified your degree. Congratulations on your achievement!

Your official date of graduation will be February 6, 2010 and your diploma will be sent to your permanent address about 8 to 10 weeks after that date.
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:D

I am out of the states now and just feel so great. Next up... kpins... thanks guys you are giving me the same strength I need to quit the kpins and continue working to be totally drug free (you know what I mean) though some of the posts honestly scare me! I usually don't consider myself a pussy but here I will readily admit that I am! Sorry this post is kind of a long ramble and maybe belongs in the Dark Side I don't know.

Cheers,
Boston340
 
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Bupe has really long half life bout 36 hours for one. Other issue if you were takin 90mg meth daily your real withdrawls would hit hard til bout 5 days ltr
 
Stabilize yourself on buprenorphine around 1-2mg / day and see how you feel after a few weeks. You can taper down from there if you need to.

After 3-6 weeks of staying around 1-2mg of buprenorphine (you can start at a higher dosage as you already have if you need to) you will probably be feeling a lot better.

I'm not familiar with quitting methadone however.

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Buprenorphine goes well with benzos, however buprenorphine on its own is a great anxiolytic for me. All drugs effect everyone differently.

This could have gone into the Suboxone Mega Thread so I'm going to merge it in there.

If you are feeling "anxiety" from Suboxone, try taking less. I think 16mg/day is a lot, especially after you've stayed away from dope for a while. Try taking 4-6mg/day (in 2mg intervals as you need them), you should feel a lot better.

I would also be conservative with taking benzos on Suboxone, the synergy is strong. You can take up to 2mg of clonazepam with Suboxone and I'm sure you'll be OK. Just avoid taking *a lot* of benzos with Suboxone. :)
 
@boston340
I agree with your attitude*. If you live in fear of using, it still controls you. The real rehabilitation is the ability to use, without losing control. Loss of control is the only real problem with addition, I believe. See the South Park episode "Bloody Mary" for a good example of what I mean.
It can be done, but takes self control and motivation. I can't believe this powerless crap or one use- even something not your DOC- is a relapse. The relapse is when you lose the ability to control your life or keep your responsibilities. Moderate usage can fit within that parameter.
*Except for injecting suboxone. It's much more effective per mg injected, so you need to use less (I use about 1mg/day that's about $1/day) and spend less $$- we all don't have parents who can cover our medical bills. Also, there's no horrible taste issue. One more thing. The only person you have to answer to is yourself. You have nothing to prove to anyone. Remember that!
 
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lazylazyjoe said:
Except for injecting suboxone. It's much more effective per mg injected, so you need to use less (I use about 1mg/day that's about $1/day) and spend less $$- we all don't have parents who can cover our medical bills. Also, there's no horrible taste issue. One more thing. The only person you have to answer to is yourself. You have nothing to prove to anyone. Remember that!
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Good point. Using < 1000mcg/day is a good dose range to be at.
 
So i know you have to wait 36-48 hours or so after taking opiates to take suboxone, and i know you can take an opiate while on suboxone it just won't work as well. But what if you take an opiate on suboxone, can you take your suboxone any time or do you still have to wait to avoid precipitated w/d's?
 
Oh dear god! Subutex is a partial agonist and will block Opanas for over 24 hours from last ingestion (if you take it regularly). PS there are only so many spots for Sub docs open, please don't utilize one if you wish to continue to get high.
 
You would have to be on an extremely low dose of buprenorphine to get much out of a full agonist opiate.

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Lando138 said:
So i know you have to wait 36-48 hours or so after taking opiates to take suboxone, and i know you can take an opiate while on suboxone it just won't work as well. But what if you take an opiate on suboxone, can you take your suboxone any time or do you still have to wait to avoid precipitated w/d's?
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Once you have taken an opiate on Suboxone you will want to wait until you are not feeling the opiate anymore, and are feeling WD's.
 
Lando138 said:
So i know you have to wait 36-48 hours or so after taking opiates to take suboxone, and i know you can take an opiate while on suboxone it just won't work as well. But what if you take an opiate on suboxone, can you take your suboxone any time or do you still have to wait to avoid precipitated w/d's?
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Once you have taken an opiate on Suboxone you will want to wait until you are not feeling the opiate anymore, and are feeling WD's.
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I vote otherwise. In my experience, as long I still have most (or a substantial ammount) of my last Suboxone dose in my blood, I can still take other opioids on top of my Suboxone, then just return to my normal suboxone dose as soon as I'm not high anymore. I have many times stayed on 2mg or 1mg a day S-L while banging dope or eating methadone whenever I wanted. As long as I keep up a steady low dose of bupe, I don't get precip withdrawal; only if I quit for more than a couple days. (Others' experience may differ, of course, and to me, precip w.d. doesn't sound impossible in this situation.)
 
^Yeah, me too. That's why I was asking what he meant, because he surely didn't mean that taking opiates once means you need to wait for withdrawals to dose bupe again...
 
Captain.Heroin said:
You would have to be on an extremely low dose of buprenorphine to get much out of a full agonist opiate.

-> Suboxone Mega Thread



Once you have taken an opiate on Suboxone you will want to wait until you are not feeling the opiate anymore, and are feeling WD's.
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I find the whole wait 24 hours+ thing to be needless bs. After a nice heroin/fentanyl/hydromorphone binge with minimal sleep looking like a huge dope fiend I can get back on suboxone in less than 6 hours after my last dose and be straight, look, and feel normal in 2 hours.

All it takes is slowly dosing back up on suboxone. If you take 8mg at once of course you are going to get precipitated WDs and feel like shit. I have found that no matter how much you use and while still being on the edge of a high you can dose back on bupe as long as you do it in small .1-.2mg intervals every 10-20 minutes. I typically dose up to 4mg like this increasing the dose to .5-1mg at a time as I start to feel better. T

he bupe overtakes the other opiates and replaces them slowly and I have never gotten sick from it, the worst thing that happened was some mild stomach discomfort and dizziness from rushing the process 4 hours after last shooting heroin when I had to look normal in under an hour.
 
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