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Viewing humans from an alien's/animal's point of view

rollin_stoned

rollin_stoned

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I'm not asking anything like "how much shit should i take to get this fucked up, mayne" or anything like that. As weird as it sounds i've been trying to view humans and the things we do from an animal's point of view or an alien's point of view.....lol, i know that sounds really fucked up, but it's something that i've been curious about. I haven't had any source to hallucinogens, but I was wondering anyway if there are any drugs out there/what dose of that certain drug in order to achieve these affects....I AM NOT ASKING FOR SOURCES, i'm just wondering if this is achievable through any type/dose of drug. I was also wondering if anyone else has had similar thought's, or possibly even similar experiences through hallucinogens.

To clarify, I was wondering if it's possible to view human's from an animal's POV a.k.a see us as just another animal, and seeing normal everyday activites as something weird or something. Along with seeing us from an aliens point of view because i've been interested in other life forms that are out there in the universe that think their lives are normal just like we think our lives our normal. Where i'm going with this is if they were to come to earth and see us as complete aliens, thinking we look weird and shit......once again, lol, i know this sounds weird, but this is a great interest to me, lol.

Mods, move this to an appropriate forum if this doesn't belong in PD. I thought this would be the best forum to post this type of question in.
 
It sounds to me like you're already making the effort to view things from other points of view. This is really the most important thing you need.

Psychedelics or cannabinoids can certainly help you along the path of discovery, but this is simply because they also give you alternate points of view. The connections between the insights gained from these experiences still need to be made by an inquisitive mind.
 
I know what you talking about actually. This happens to me a lot on psychs. It's a product of preconceptions about and general familiarity with the day to day life of being human being cleared so that you can view human behavior from an impartial perspective.

There are plenty of times I have realized how strange my own and others behavior and actions would appear to say, an alien or some entity unfamiliar with humans.
 
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I haven't necessarily seen humans through a specifically alien or animal point of view, but I've definitely had an altered perception where some of our daily routines made no sense to me any more. Or they made sense, but seemed ridiculous and unnecessary.
 
About a year ago I had a trip that actually convinced me that I was my dog. Riding in a car was intense, and I couldn't figure out how to get past this small gate we put in our side yard to contain my dog. I had taken two hits of LSD, 30mgs of d-amphetamine, and smoked a lot of weed. I possibly could have taken alcohol, N2O and zolpidem but all those psychedelic nights have started to blur together so I'm not so sure about the last two substances.
 
as other have stated, the classic psychedelic experience shatters your preconceptions so much that it becomes possible to watch other humans doing their daily activities, and be completely confused as to why they do the things they do.

imagine you are tripping in your warm bedroom looking out the window on the rainy day. why are there a handful of people standing on the side of the street looking like drowned rats? don't they have a warm bedroom to get to? oh wait, here comes a giant warm bedroom on wheels that they all hop onto. except for one guy who doesn't like this particular warm bedroom. he's waiting for a different one. what's wrong with this one? he's going to catch a cold!

or you are tripping on a walk around a shopping mall. you approach the watering hole [food court] and it instantly reminds you of the discovery channel. everyone stays with their travelling group, and even though they are all here for the same purpose, they skillfully ignore each other group and pretend they are the only ones in the room. (have you noticed that when a dog sees another dog in the same vicinity, they both try to make contact with each other, sniff buttholes, ask what's up, etc. humans appear to be the only social animals that deliberately avoid social contact with anyone we don't already know)
then you watch people getting in line to order food from panda express. why are they waiting in line like that? i can see the food is on the other side of the glass, why don't they just go and get it?

most of our social activities are completely bizarre when you look at them from a here-and-now, "what do i need to do to get what i want" point of view. hell, watch someone who is watching TV. it's scary how your eyes glaze over and your breathing slows down and your brainwaves plane out. an alien might think that we're actually taking naps when we think we're being entertained.
 
I've noticed that spending quality time with my dog (just me and him, I usually lay on the floor) helps me see the wold in the way I assume he sees it. I like to study animals while I'm tipping too, it helps me get inside their heads.
 
rollin_stoned said:
I'm not asking anything like "how much shit should i take to get this fucked up, mayne" or anything like that. As weird as it sounds i've been trying to view humans and the things we do from an animal's point of view or an alien's point of view.....lol, i know that sounds really fucked up, but it's something that i've been curious about. I haven't had any source to hallucinogens, but I was wondering anyway if there are any drugs out there/what dose of that certain drug in order to achieve these affects....I AM NOT ASKING FOR SOURCES, i'm just wondering if this is achievable through any type/dose of drug. I was also wondering if anyone else has had similar thought's, or possibly even similar experiences through hallucinogens.

To clarify, I was wondering if it's possible to view human's from an animal's POV a.k.a see us as just another animal, and seeing normal everyday activites as something weird or something. Along with seeing us from an aliens point of view because i've been interested in other life forms that are out there in the universe that think their lives are normal just like we think our lives our normal. Where i'm going with this is if they were to come to earth and see us as complete aliens, thinking we look weird and shit......once again, lol, i know this sounds weird, but this is a great interest to me, lol.

Mods, move this to an appropriate forum if this doesn't belong in PD. I thought this would be the best forum to post this type of question in.
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I had that state of mind three or four times.What you want is over one mg of lsd with weed on the peak.I was staring from window and all these little houses with their roads... I cant explain it very well but it was like they were created by some too serious workoholic dirty smog primal like creatures.Humans think they are so much better and smarter than anything in the universe but truth is that they are just monkeys with calculator in their brain.We can think in more or less racional way but in reallity primitive emotions is what control our minds.If you want to know,how this world looks from absolute 100% alien like point of view,then drop something like 30-50 hits of acid and smoke big dose of thc at the peak... your memory will be totaly disabled.everything will look like you just landed here with your "ufo".Ideas that will flow trought your mind will be very different from sober mind state.
 
Thank you for all your guys' input on this thread. :) Some of the stuff that you guys said in your posts was something that I hadn't have thought of before, so now I can use some of those thoughts along with mine for my next psychedelic journey. :)

And to DOB, i've only done LSD twice, mushrooms about 4 or 5 times, and ketamine twice, so i'm not that experienced with hallucinogens. The first time I took LSD it was bunk, and the second time it was low dose and I didn't do it in the right setting for half of it, but otherwise i was comfortable. What I'm getting at is that I don't think I'm experienced enough to take 30 - 50 hits or >1 mg's of LSD.

The next time I'm able to use hallucinogens should i just really think as hard as possible about it.....like look at someting and think deeply about how alien it is or something like that.

Keep the responses coming, I didn't think there were others out there that were interested about this type of thing....I was thinking I was weird or something lol

@MistaJeff....the whole spending time with your dog and what not is exactly how i got started on this......I was high and she was laying on the bed with me and i just thought, "I wonder what she's thinking of me right now....staring at a screen" than i just thought of what she thought of what i do in my daily life and just wondered what the hell she was thinking about it. I just find it interesting.
 
You're definitely not weird, but I know the feeling haha :) When I first came here after doing acid for my first time I thought all these ideas I had were completely insane. Then I found out that most of the people here in PD have the same/similar ideas.

This is probably my favorite tripping activity actually. Just watching life unfold, or more specifically human life, and analyzing it very thoroughly.

I once went to a large state fair on 2C-T-7. Using money to buy drinks was... interesting. Me and my friend actually had a conversation on how ridiculous the concept of currency was, out loud, while ordering a lemonade. We mentioned how hard we were tripping in the midst of that and the lady behind the counter looked a little bothered haha.
 
damn, i wish i were able to go out in public tripping on anything without freaking out. back on topic though, any hallucinogen will work, but it will require a heroic dose practically?
 
Any drug that helps you do this though will most likely only show you what you think it is like to have the point of view; it would be a human version of that state of mind. I doubt it is possible to really understand what it is like to be a dog. Perhaps you could act like a dog, do the activities that a dog does, experience the stimuli that a dog does, and react to stimuli the way dogs do, but you would not actually understand how a dog experiences and perceives all of that. You cannot even do that for another human.
 
pseudononamouse said:
Any drug that helps you do this though will most likely only show you what you think it is like to have the point of view; it would be a human version of that state of mind. I doubt it is possible to really understand what it is like to be a dog. Perhaps you could act like a dog, do the activities that a dog does, experience the stimuli that a dog does, and react to stimuli the way dogs do, but you would not actually understand how a dog experiences and perceives all of that. You cannot even do that for another human.
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lofl, I could never act like a dog, lol....that just sounds hilariously absurd xD
 
pseudononamouse said:
Any drug that helps you do this though will most likely only show you what you think it is like to have the point of view; it would be a human version of that state of mind. I doubt it is possible to really understand what it is like to be a dog. Perhaps you could act like a dog, do the activities that a dog does, experience the stimuli that a dog does, and react to stimuli the way dogs do, but you would not actually understand how a dog experiences and perceives all of that. You cannot even do that for another human.
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You can't do that exactly, but you can certainly empathize with the emotions of both humans and animals. Obviously it is easier with humans due to the similarities, but surely you can also tell when animals feel things like excitement, hunger, or pain. 100% understanding is not needed, as long as you understand that your observations are subjectively based and therefore possibly misinterpreted due to unseen circumstances.
 
rollin_stoned said:
Thank you for all your guys' input on this thread. :) Some of the stuff that you guys said in your posts was something that I hadn't have thought of before, so now I can use some of those thoughts along with mine for my next psychedelic journey. :)

And to DOB, i've only done LSD twice, mushrooms about 4 or 5 times, and ketamine twice, so i'm not that experienced with hallucinogens. The first time I took LSD it was bunk, and the second time it was low dose and I didn't do it in the right setting for half of it, but otherwise i was comfortable. What I'm getting at is that I don't think I'm experienced enough to take 30 - 50 hits or >1 mg's of LSD.

The next time I'm able to use hallucinogens should i just really think as hard as possible about it.....like look at someting and think deeply about how alien it is or something like that.

Keep the responses coming, I didn't think there were others out there that were interested about this type of thing....I was thinking I was weird or something lol

@MistaJeff....the whole spending time with your dog and what not is exactly how i got started on this......I was high and she was laying on the bed with me and i just thought, "I wonder what she's thinking of me right now....staring at a screen" than i just thought of what she thought of what i do in my daily life and just wondered what the hell she was thinking about it. I just find it interesting.
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you can never be experienced enough to handle power of 50 acid hits.I wasnt ready,but it turned out as best day of my life... but if you are worried try 15 first,it will be very strong but nothing too much.Lsd is drug that will scare you with high number ( zilion hits,milion micrograms.... dose for 5000 people.. ) but experience is very different from what you expect.Those 50 hits was easy to handle,no fear,no ego death,no blackout,no problem.Mushrooms are different story,slighty bigger medium dose gave me blackout,death terror and other hellcrap effects :D go for it,you will not live forever
 
DOB said:
you can never be experienced enough to handle power of 50 acid hits.I wasnt ready,but it turned out as best day of my life... but if you are worried try 15 first,it will be very strong but nothing too much.Lsd is drug that will scare you with high number ( zilion hits,milion micrograms.... dose for 5000 people.. ) but experience is very different from what you expect.Those 50 hits was easy to handle,no fear,no ego death,no blackout,no problem.Mushrooms are different story,slighty bigger medium dose gave me blackout,death terror and other hellcrap effects :D go for it,you will not live forever
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Ok I understand where you're coming from, but this is a harm reduction forum and that's really not good advice for him. He's only done acid once at a low dose, don't you think he should at least get a feel for a real dosage of LSD before taking 15 hits!? haha :)

People have flipped their shit in a very destructive way by dosing that high before getting a feel for the chemical.
 
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Ok I understand where you're coming from, but this is a harm reduction forum and that's really not good advice for him. He's only done acid once at a low dose, don't you think he should at least get a feel for a real dosage of LSD before taking 15 hits!? haha :)

People have flipped their shit in a very destructive way by dosing that high before getting a feel for the chemical.
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some people freakout,others experience life changing satori...

Your right,rollin_stoned... try 4 hits,then 15 and after your training,drop 30 hits.
 
hey rollin stoned, You can definitely see the world from the perspective of an animal or alien!! Just pretend. Try to forget your predjudices (that doesn't mean stop hatin on a nigga, that means don't judge ANYTHING you see, take it exactly as it is. this is nearly impossible to do 100%, but give it a try). I don't need drugs to see the world from another person or species' perspective - I do it every day while sober! That's probably the biggest thing that makes me who I am. That I don't just look at the world from my point of view.

Psychedelic drugs could definitely assist you in gaining the type of vision you desire...but you've already got all the tools :)

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Oh yeah, LSD seems way easier than shrooms at higher doses. Shrooms have way more potential to go awry and cause a negative and frightening experience. Both are very safe physiologically at pretty much any dose, so I wouldn't worry about that. Any body feelings you experience are just distortions of the normal reality. If you do a high dose trip, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A TRIP SITTER. You need to have a buddy, a close friend preferably, who you trust very much, to come and chill with ya for the duration of your trip. Keep you company if you want company, and give you solitude if you so desire. Plan ahead and figure out a "safe spot" where nobody with authority will bother you and you can be comfortable (temperature, lighting, food/drink, marijuana, etc are all important to have at your disposal).
 
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I've found that most psychedelics i've taken facilitate me viewing many things "human" in a more objective light. Lots of times when i'm tripping i view things like social conventions, neck ties, certain manners, etc as extremely silly, which they may very well be. I seem to have this with most psych's but i believe it was probably most prominent with things like LSD, 2c-e & 2c-d
 
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