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Well, hello, im what you call an "etard"

Just because you have been smoking since you were 14 doesnt mean the weed isnt the cause of anxiety.

A lot of people have reported anxiety after years and years of use. It's an anxiety inducing drug. Plain and simple. Just because you never experienced it before doesnt mean it isnt causeing it now.

I've seen plenty of people reporting anxiety attacks and general anxiety from smoking weed after smoking it all of their life.

Just because you tested your pills doesnt mean pipes werent in em. Or a lot of other drugs for that matter. Many of chemicals are known to be in pills. Pipes don't even show on testers. Out of all those pills you think you had clean MDMA every time?

I'm sure you're not knocking MDMA and I surely don't LOVE MDMA. I havent used MDMA in 6 years, but my years of experience and abuse brought me zero bad side effects besides hang overs.

The only time i've ever seen anyone with a bad side effect from E was if they were strung out on other drugs also.

Don't be so quick to rule out weed.....weed has been known to cause alot of issues you are dealing with and can cause extreme anxiety.

I'm not saying mdma can't be the cause. You were just so quick to label MDMA as the culprit, but weed, the cause of a lot of peoples anxiety just couldn't do such a thing.
 
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Woodrowt im sorry to inform you but it wasnt the weed. My anxiety started after doing massive amount of E, it was most def the E.

Listen, I know the difference between a pipe and E. Im certainly not a junior higher who would think its mdmal; i know what rolling is like. Have you even been piped before?? Its easily noticable, and I was only piped once (unlike my friends who have been piped many times and Im sure some people on this site) and it was enough to never let it happen again. And it was only 1 pill.

Most pills contain a few adulterants but 90% were mdma. I just overdid it. Does it like absolutly not make sense that mdma, a drug that reduces your seratonin could not screw you up after excessive usage??

Trust me...it can.
 
Another thing i noticed, is when id be smoking weed, it wasnt like it used 2 be. When I used to smoke weed, I would go on my day just as sharp as I was before, thinking great thoughts and bein all "giddy" if you will. Nowadays, when i smoke weed, I sometimes get voices in my head thinking all kinds of weird shit. Its kind of hard 2 describe, but ill tell you, i absolutly hate it
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LonE1 You yourself said this in your 1st post.


So why can't it be caused by the weed?


I just can't believe that MDMA did it all when you were doing other drugs also.


3 drugs that can cause anxiety.....MDMA, Pipes, Weed. Which one could it be?
 
Did you not hear me?? I smoked weed from 14 until 20, thats 6 years that didnt cause any anxiety what so ever. After I start doing tons of pills every weekend, I notice the anxiety.

Ive honestly never in my life heard of anything your talking about with weed causing you to act weird for 30 days...no offense but I find THAT hard to believe.
 
Dont listen to most of these people. Unless youve experienced the negative effects from ecstasy, you wont be able to comprehend them. It takes much less than people expect to get there, you dont have to be a FREQUENT USER YOU JUST HAVE TO FUCKING TAKE HUGE DOSES.

So expect 100% of the people who never get burned to claim it doesnt hurt you. Theres no reason to argue with someone who hasnt had first hand experience with it.

IMO IT DESTROYS YOUR BRAIN.
 
LonE1 said:
Did you not hear me?? I smoked weed from 14 until 20, thats 6 years that didnt cause any anxiety what so ever. After I start doing tons of pills every weekend, I notice the anxiety.

Ive honestly never in my life heard of anything your talking about with weed causing you to act weird for 30 days...no offense but I find THAT hard to believe.
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I'm shocked at how stubbornly you're responding to a completely logical argument. What woodrowbt has said is nothing new, it is well known and documented that marijuana causes anxiety in varying degrees. Now, I love marijuana as much as the next man, but it's obvious that if you are continuing to experience anxiety when you smoke weed, even after you have ceased ecstasy use, than perhaps, just maybe, it might be the weed. What you're doing is outright refusing even the possibility that it could be something other than MDMA. "It simply can't be the weed, mary has been so good to me." Get a grip.
 
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I'm shocked at how stubbornly you're responding to a completely logical argument. What woodrowbt has said is nothing new, it is well known and documented that marijuana causes anxiety in varying degrees. Now, I love marijuana as much as the next man, but it's obvious that if you are continuing to experience anxiety when you smoke weed, even after you have ceased ecstasy use, than perhaps, just maybe, it might be the weed. What you're doing is outright refusing even the possibility that it could be something other than MDMA. "It simply can't be the weed, mary has been so good to me." Get a grip.
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Juice here has obviously never suffered any serious side effects from using MDMA, therefore he cant really speak about it. All he can do is spout off crap and claim theres no hard evidence blah blah. The kind of problems MDMA cause are HUGELY different from the ones cannabis produces and you dont need a study to know this.

IMO after abusing ecstasy the high from weed DOES change and is more anxiolytic. Ive read posts on bluelight of people claiming MDMA use has changed the way they experience a weed high. Go search if you dont beleive it.

I get mad when people try to discount MDMA's negative effects in SOME people.

MDMA can be very safe for some people especially in normal doses, but dont try to blame cannabis for fucks sake. He obviously stated he was a heavy user.
 
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^ I agree. Saying 'oh well, it's your fault, now deal with it' is ridiculous and close minded. Sure he made some silly and irresponsibly decisions, but so do all addicts, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't receive treatment, compassion or respect. Imagine turning a junkie away from treatment by saying 'oh well, you heard the horror story about drugs - sucks to be you!' To all those people who have made comments such as these - I hope you're fine with receiving no support in TDS if you decide to make a thread, or accept getting turned away from treatment - because afterall, it was your choice :|

And to the OP: You will be ok. I rolled twice a week every week for over 3 years, from when I was 16-19. It fucked me up severely for about 6 months. But I did recover, and I don't consider I have any continuing negative effects from my use, not any I notice anyway.
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I just hate how people decide to blame the drugs and not their own stupidity. Yes drugs will fuck you up, if your silly enough to go overboard.

Dont be pointing the finger and saying "MDMA is the devil". Look one step back and think who put the pills in your mouth, no one held a gun to your head and made you take the drugs. I for one have enough respect for my body to want to research chems before I try them, If you think your bullet proof and dont feel the need to empower yourself with knowledge first, well hey you pay the price.


edit:: sorry, thats not meant to be having a hack at you at all. Moreso this self proclaimed etard who is blaming MDMA for all their problems, and not themself.
 
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Bben sounds like he understand what im talking about. Im not trying to downplay mdma at all because yes, i know, we all love rolling and yes, i did overdue my usage, but mdma is bad for you nomatter how much you take it.

I know that its not weed; im honestly surprised some of you actually think that marijuana caused all of my anxiety problems....even though I didnt start noticing any changes until after I got heavy into rolling. My rolling did this 2 me, so yeah.

Juice, ive got to say, you say im being "stubborn" yet a few posts ago you were telling me that "i deserved what I got".

Look i understand that I did take it way 2 far, and in a way I was just asking for it, but dont sit there and tell me that theres no way any kind of anxiety, or damage could happen from taking mdma. There are side effects with everyone to everything. Just because you havent expierienced any side effects doesnt mean its all the sudden nobody will.

Again I appreciate all the concern and im hoping to get on some SSRI most likely zoloft.

Thanks again
 
I can cleary say im near the 130 mark, and about 2 years now that ive known the drug exist and ive never been has depressed like this guy is; to the OP, seek anti-depressant if things become out of control for you, benzos ?
 
Damn, take it easy on the guy...its appareant that he "fucked" himself and he already acknowledged this with his plea for HELP so, idk maybe try and be helpful..no ones perfect. Everyone makes mistakes and thizz was obviously a collosal one, my recommendations are excersice vigorously, eat healthy, apply yourself, accept what youve done and stop living in the past even if you believe those actions effect today, cease all negative thinking and begin moving forward, try and find professional help for your anxiety like cbt therapy. Create goals and strive to meet them. Heres my cliche yet inspirational quote, "You must do the things you think you cannot".
 
LonE1 said:
First off, id like to say hello to everyone as this is my first post on this site. I have been using PR for years now, and id like to say im very pleased for such a caring site like this.

Anyway, ive seen alot of people talk about how they have rolled around a whopping 11 times , and how they dont see anything bad about mdma use, and this and that. Let me tell you a story about myself.

I think anyone can agree that there first time doing mdma was amazing. It was for me. I felt like it was the most incredible feeling ive ever had. Every emotional thought was brought out, every good thing was brought up in my mind...everything about everyone I was with just felt so right.

Well, with that, i joined the rave scene, and we all know where that leads you. The only thing was, I started rolling ALOT. Once a week pretty much. And not only that, sometimes I would take upwards of 8 pills a night; id roll, then pop more pills at the after party and sometimes roll harder after the party, all in good fun, and all because I didnt know any better, but all i knew is it was amazing.

Well, fast forward a year of rolling. At this point id say im maybe at around 50-60 rolls. All the sudden I noticed I was changing. I noticed I would get ansy about things, start thinking weird thoughts randomly, and would just be plain paranoid at time. I also noticed that I wasnt as sharp as I used 2 me....I used 2 be able to talk to girls like it was my skill in life, suddenly I started freezing up talking 2 girls. What the fuck?? Another thing i noticed, is when id be smoking weed, it wasnt like it used 2 be. When I used to smoke weed, I would go on my day just as sharp as I was before, thinking great thoughts and bein all "giddy" if you will. Nowadays, when i smoke weed, I sometimes get voices in my head thinking all kinds of weird shit. Its kind of hard 2 describe, but ill tell you, i absolutly hate it. So anyway I go through 2009. With this year, im happy to say i slowed down. I still rolled, but it was at the most once a month (sometimes twice), and it would be around 4 pills. I still raved, but not as much.

The worst part, is my anxiety fucking started going nuts. I dont know what it is, but im paranoid as shit now sometimes. Smoking weed amplifys it so much as well. Ive lost alot of friends because they just feel like they dont know me anymore. I feel like I dont know myself anymore. I still roll, but im way beyond losing the magic. When I roll now, I get kind of a weird stupid feeling with a strange body high (yes even on pokeballs). Its defiantly not the same feeling I fell in love with.

Alot of people seem to have this feeling that mdma is not bad for you. My oh my, can I tell you how unbelievably wrong you fucking are. I feel so alone, depressed sometimes now, as I am not the same person I used to be. I feel like a freak now sometimes (hah). The point of this is to show you that I myself, am a victom of too much mdma. I am someone who thought mdma wasnt that bad, and it proved 2 me that it was.

My only hope is for people to somehow relate, somehow give me hope; all I know is I want myself back, and these demons to leave. They really, really are a pain in the ass.

The moral is, dont dance with the devil, because it aint fun in the long run.

-payce
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I would just like to say, if you have pre-existing mental conditions, or a family history of them, drugsand drug addictions can bring them out. I had a good friend who was schizophrenic for a long time but with no issues, and after a while, he started going into "unknown psychosis" from time to time. He cant do anything now because it will throw him off balance and all the meds he has to take. You can argue...did drugs do this to him? They didn't, they just made a problem he had (and was going to have to deal with someday) surface. This would have happened either way, with or without drugs. They were just the gasoline on an inferno waiting to blow like a volcano.
 
If you abuse alcohol for long enough, caffeine, weed, cigarettes... You are also likely to see lingering negative affects.

I don't think anyone here will argue that MDMA can't hurt you if abused. Many of us, myself included, can relate in some small way. MDMA has been extremely beneficial to my emotional health when treated as a special occasion treat to be shared in a positive environment with those I love and trust.
 
It looks like this topic is kind of old, but it was just bumped, so I will give my input.
LonE1, I think some of your problems come to the classic question: what came first, the chicken or the egg? I feel like the ecstasy may have not been the cause of all your problems, it probably was what exposed them, however. Drugs definitely can bring out mental issues that would have happened anyways, and the large amount of ecstasy you did probably ended up doing this. You probably were previously at risk of having anxiety problems among other things, and by doing drugs, these problems were brought about sooner. Maybe, even, you already had these problems but you just never really thought about them and thus didn't believe that you had them in the first place. I feel like the amount of ecstasy you did probably simply brought about problems that would have eventually come even if you didn't roll so much.

You said that when you smoke weed now you sometimes "hear voices," even though you didn't used to. This happens to me as well. While I have only taken rolls five times in the one year since I first did them, this still has happened to me. I used to be able to smoke weed and usually enjoy it, but now if I smoke, my mind is completely overwhelmed with negative energy and I do experience thought insertion, like someone else's negative thoughts are in my head. Again, this is possibly bringing about a mental issue that you are at risk of. Maybe you are schizophrenic? If you are a teenager or young adult this is the time where most people start to notice they are schizophrenic, so maybe the feelings of paranoia would have started to happen anyways, even if you didn't do drugs.
To sum things up, don't blame yourself for anything, because that only makes things worse. I do not think drugs usually cause mental illness, but they simply bring it about sooner. You were probably going to become paranoid and anxious and experience hearing voices anyways, but the amount of rolls consumed simply brought these things about sooner. I guess that is all I have to say. Good luck.
 
(this is my first post on bluelight :) @ OP. the things you suffer from right now i have been going through for the past maybe 5-6 years. i can completely relate, except ive only rolled once. most of the things you described are just different levels of anxiety and insecurity. now im not saying rolling is good or bad for you. but im saying that what youre experiencing now is DEFINITELY not forever. i promise you that. taking benzos are a quick fix but theres no drug that has a cure for these symptoms. a year in and 50-60 rolls later, well thats just a bad idea. but your mind is 10 trillion times stronger than any drugs we can ingest. you just need some professional help and youll be yourself again. its really easy to sit and thing about all the downsides to life when the ups arent visible. well, theyre there. you just need a long recovery period. benzos increase anxiety over time as dependence builds so try not to take that route (even though im on it right now -.-). just convert to a healthy lifestyle, new hobbies, a therapist so you can have someone who indifferent when you spill your guts out all over their desk =P good luck to you. i want to hear that you get better. because then that gives me hope to =)
 
I can relate very closely to the OP's story with long-term over consumption of MDMA. My case may have even been worse. It's been one year since my last consumption of MDMA , and I still struggle every day with symptoms that can ONLY have been caused by my consumption of MDMA.

Now, I completely lost the magic, even one year later. MDMA is an absolute magical drug, and if you abuse it, it will abuse you. Be nice to it!
 
the magic comes back eventually, I think. I took a two year break at one point, and it was back and stronger than ever =) It's still very important to respect the drugs you do. If you abuse it, you'll lose it!
 
Do people realize that taking EIGHT pills every weekend is also abusing plenty of other drugs. I mean, think of the amphetamines and methamphetamines that could be in each pill and multiply that by 8. If there's a little bit of amphetamine in each pill, that's like taking 2-4 hits of pure amphetamine every weekend.

What I'm really interested is knowing is if the OP had abused pure MDMA (say 800mg per weekend) would he be at the same point right now? And if it was pure, would he have abused it to begin with? Maybe it was the amphetamines that made it more addictive.
 
Well, im also a brand new member of this forum, and i also just started rolling my self in the last 2 months, and in that time ive already had about 25 all together( would take about 4-5, not all together just over the course, on the weekends at parties, and just pop them during the week while hanging with my friends at there place just chilling smoking bud.), The first time i rolled i ended up taking two and ive just kinda like taking one to get me going and then one about 3-4 hours later to better the roll.

Even before rolling i knew what i was getting into, so i know i probally shouldnt have rolled nearly as much but i guess when you get caught up in the moment with alot of friends and partys are often, you dont even think about it it just happens...

But yeah thanks OP, reading that kinda helps me realize to go a little easier on this shit :D and have fun whilst.

Well, there my little story, and im looking forward to using these forums a bit more.
 
this post nails it on the head. i definitely feel u on talking to girls/no longer appreciating weed. I get super anxious/paranoid when i smoked, so i quit.
 
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