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MDPV - Solubility

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Does anyone know the degree of solubility of MDPV in water and/or alcohol? Can't find anything concrete via google search

Thanks
 
Wikipedia says that MDPV quickly loses potency in a solution. For whatever that is worth to you.
 
It dissolves pretty well in water, should dissolve even better in alcohol.

It is not stable in water/alcohol for extended periods of time, it degrades fairly rapidly. Over two months, my solution of it now reeks of... something it didnt used to, and not something good, yet there's no sign of bacterial action. Can't say anything on potency though - i very quickly decided i didnt like the stuff, and have no desire to take any more of it.
 
TheAzo said:
It dissolves pretty well in water, should dissolve even better in alcohol.

It is not stable in water/alcohol for extended periods of time, it degrades fairly rapidly. Over two months, my solution of it now reeks of... something it didnt used to, and not something good, yet there's no sign of bacterial action. Can't say anything on potency though - i very quickly decided i didnt like the stuff, and have no desire to take any more of it.
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LoL, i gues thats what explains why i needed 100mg doses:D.
 
Any confirmation about the deterioration once it's in water ? Or is it still speculation at this point ?
I really don't feel like waiting for my new mg scale to come here to try it out 8)
 
Quebec Gold said:
Any confirmation about the deterioration once it's in water ? Or is it still speculation at this point ?
I really don't feel like waiting for my new mg scale to come here to try it out 8)
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hydrochloride definately degrades in water, degrades in isopropanol too, freebase very unstable.
 
MDPV although water soluble will loose most if not all of its potency when wet try heating it up, then mixing this liquid to the one you're trying to mix it with

i strongly advise AGAINST mixing this with a spirit above 30 % abv
 
As for the stability, did once a test on Another aminoketone, Methylone (the red explosion solution) and it was pretty stable over a period of 5 weeks. Is there any indication that MDPV is less stable? I would assume as a teriary amine it should be more stable, no?
 
What will mdpv dissolve in with degrading and would be safe to take.

I want to dissolve 1g of mdpv into a liquid for ease of use. Will anything work?

Peopylene glycol, ethanol, iso, water? anything that wouldn't degrade over to much time
 
According to the article here, logP of MDPV is -0.07, this means when dissolve MDPV freebase
(not HCl salt) in the solvent constituted with two layers, same amount of 1-octanol and water, 46.5% is dissolved in 1-octanol layer and the rest is dissolved in water, due to its polarity of beta keto group MDPV has. This suggests that MDPV freebase is at least not insoluble in water, even though far less soluble than HCl salt.
 
I really doubt this compound would have ever hit the market like it did if it was as unstable as claimed. Some trusted data would be great, I'm gonna try to look into it. I hear it had been researched by the pharmaceutical industry as an alternative to methyphenidate for adhd, so I'd assume there is some data available if one searches hard enough. Since the chemical is obviously dissolved in some sort of solvent during the final steps of manufacture, it shouldn't degrade THAT rapidly in whatever solvent is used during that process. Plus, temperature might be a factor as well, one could try storing it in a cooler environment. I guess we as a community will either have to look into this or discard the substance as not worthwhile.

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Since this is following part is about my first impressions of the substance and therefore "Off Topic", but at the same time not informative and structured enough to be worthy as a trip report, I'll put it in quotes and squeeze it into this post:



I just received my first MDPV sample (powder with a shimmering, fluffy look and is light beige in color low density) and administered 10mg (in 1.5ml) tap water rectally. Can't say I notice much aside from some calming aspect maybe that are slowly (now at TAmp/Phen+5h or TMDPV+45min) turning into a subjectively barely noticable, externally probably non-apparent agitative pressure to improve my mental state somehow, very close to the fiendish urge to redose that coke induces in me after 20-30mins, but seemingly less intense. I should add that I administered the following 4h earlier:
Orally: what I suspect to have been ~30-50mg racemic amphetamine phosphate, stored in a watery solution of 0.3% orthophosphoric acid, administered after adding sodium bicarbonate to adjust pH to 8.5 (I have stomach issues)
Rectally: 500mg phenazepam in 5ml solution of 10% propylene glycol / 90% h2o

There is definitely some moreishness/'coke-like redosing urge'/comedown present, before I was even able to even get a feeling for the effects lol. Crack (used on two separate occasions in my life) did that to me. I kinda enjoyed... or maybe already hated the first intensely stimulated rushy minute (there wasn't really any way of telling if I even enjoyed it, ecstatic but physically very tense in the moment, completely unproductive and shallow in retrospect) and after that it was all "more MORE MOAR", with me on the 2nd occasion not having anymore in possession and therefore sweeping table, chairs and floor clean from whatever potentially present snow white particles that would both stick to my hands and seem ingestable.
I definitely notice worsening of my neurotic, obsessive-compulsive tendencies (barely present when unstimulated, becoming more pronounced in episodes of increased amphetamine use, one of the biggest, most profound, scariest stim side effects in my opinion). I should almost be leaving for uni, had some stuff planned before that, but instead I sit here in the exact same position typing and micromanaging spelling, grammar and usage of vocabulary without actually improving the quality of information presented. Annoying. Got to stop. Now. Hopefully I'll manage and won't notice some irrelevant flaw after hitting the save changes button. I guess I at least have an idea now what this is actually doing. Very close to coke and just as shitty I guess.

Edit: Ofc I did not manage to stop and still see myself doing minor content or cosmetic changes of a ridiculously irrelevant post. And I should mention that I had another 10mg intranasally within an hour after the first dose which is now leaving me with more apparent effects, slight "pressure" on the chest (apparent in the form of a small resistance when inhaling deeply), more jaw tension and stereotypic tongue movement, still frozen in place with the occasional hectic look at the time. I'm gone now. I think. Hope. Fascinatingly, I'm always still JUST on time whenever I have to in situations like these. The last minutes will become extremely stressful with me running from A to B to C and back to A because I forgot to take object XYZ to B and then out through the door, onto the bicycle and back in because I also forgot to get to D before leaving, but once that's done I can finally get back out and hop onto the bike and fly to whereever I have to be in no time at all, arriving entirely covered in sweat, clothes sticking to my body, my breathing auditively perceptible to everyone in 30ft radius, coughing and catching my breath occasionally, at first still experiencing massive post-exertion sweat secretion, then slowly drying off and recovering over the course of the next 30 minutes. BUT always punctual as can be. Okay 8 minutes to get into the lecture, hop hop away I fly, discarding my prior plans to masturbate violently instead of doing this shit that noone needs or wants. Damn this MDPV stuff lol! 6mins...
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