Harm Reduction Ok You Guys Scare Me (About IVing Pills)

[HdoubleODeezy]

Let me re-post my filtering technique that is essentially free for the 99% of people who are going to shoot pills without a micron. It really works at least 50 times better than just sucking up through a cotton ball or nothing.

Take an old syringe and sterilize it with alcohol or preferably bleach then rinse it, also wash your hands. You can remove the needle but that is optional, if it is 30 gauge or smaller I would say pull it out. Most people will have 1ml and 1/2ml syringes lying around, go for the bigger ones, I have found 3ml to be the ideal size for extremely efficient filtering. Now get a cotton ball and cut some strips that can be doubled up and inserted into the barrel of the syringe with a paper clip, you can use any cotton, using one or two pieces form a cotton ball is just a little easier than 15 from q-tips. Pack the cotton down firmly with the plunger to the 30-40 unit line on a 1cc syringe.

Here is a little side step for pre-filtering pills with a lot of gunk and it is also good for very effectively quick filtering pills that don't need much of any filtering (suboxone) or just street drugs. Sterilize an old syringe and remove the needle. Mix up the solution and drop a cotton ball in, press the needless syringe straight down on it creating a firm seal and draw back. It should be pretty well filtered, many times just this is enough.

Anyway whether you prefilter or not, for the best possible filtration with spare supplies you already have just back load the solution to be filtered into the barrel full of cotton, insert the plunger and push through. The result is extremely translucent and well filtered and the best of any home method I have seen, it doesn't compare to anything except for a micron. nothing really gets stuck in the cotton in the barrel either, just remove the plunger and push it down again and the air will force everything remaining out. i generally filter it directly into the barrel of the syringe I'll be shooting with. You can try filtering multiple times with multiple filters like this if you're really paranoid but I have found one done right is great.

if you do this with suboxone will it still be orange?

 

[Oxymorphone]

if you do this with suboxone will it still be orange?

Yes, it's still orange even with a .2 micron, the color is nothing to worry about.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Yes, it's still orange even with a .2 micron, the color is nothing to worry about.

oh iight thanks.. didn't know that. i've only iv'd it a few times just filtering with cotton in a spoon and it was orange but that was a while ago.. before i heard of better filtering methods. especially micron filters.. b4 i ever iv it again ill buy a few of those OR use your method. seems pretty simple and sounds effective.

 

[Oxymorphone]

oh iight thanks.. didn't know that. i've only iv'd it a few times just filtering with cotton in a spoon and it was orange but that was a while ago.. before i heard of better filtering methods. especially micron filters.. b4 i ever iv it again ill buy a few of those OR use your method. seems pretty simple and sounds effective.

It's extremely effective.

People here keep chanting about microns like they are the magic solution but they are simply not cost effective for 99% or more users and are really only useful for people committed to filtering large batches of pills and making long term solutions. It's a big investment (generally $100 for syringes, needles, vials, filters, bacteriostatic water, shipping). Plus it takes a lot of time. I consider myself in that goup and it's such a hassle getting all the gear from different places I haven't gotten it all yet. it doesn't make any sense for someone to do who wants to filter a pill or two for one shot when they can get a pill or a bag for the price of one $5 + shipping micron filter which can't be reused. I can't imagine the vast majority of drug users bothering, especially the ones most at risk since the ones who would consider a micron or think twice about the dangers of IVing pills are the ones who would be careful to begin with and maybe try something like my method of nothing.

There needs to be a middle ground non luer locking micron solution that also requires a small lab for the majority of regular users who could use a good single use filter. I've found one but they are available in the UK mainly unless you go to the supplier and you need to order 1000 for $200+, it would be great if someone would buy some and re-sell packs of 50 and 100 to BLers.

I'm talking about these: http://www.exchangesupplies.org/needle_exchange_supplies/sterifilt/sterifilt_intro.html

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

It's extremely effective.

I've got an oral syringe.. would that work if i packed it with cotton or is the hole that the liquid comes out too big? because all i have for other syringes are 1/2 cc and i only have a couple left.. well i could always go buy 1cc ones right? they'll sell those w/o a script right? they sell me 1/2 cc so they should sell me 1 cc. anyways it doesn't matter at the moment anyways cuz im not planning on IVing for a while anyways.

 

[Oxymorphone]

I've got an oral syringe.. would that work if i packed it with cotton or is the hole that the liquid comes out too big? because all i have for other syringes are 1/2 cc and i only have a couple left.. well i could always go buy 1cc ones right? they'll sell those w/o a script right? they sell me 1/2 cc so they should sell me 1 cc. anyways it doesn't matter at the moment anyways cuz im not planning on IVing for a while anyways.

1/2cc works fine too, and yes they will sell you 1ccs. The nice thing about this is you can recycle old syringes and turn them into filters as long as you sterilize them since you're not poking yourself with the dulled needle. As for the oral syringe, the only thing i would worry about is the bore being too wide, I wouldn't go above 3ml since it is then just getting too big for the amount of solution you are pushing through and eventually injecting with a 1ml or 1/2ml syringe, 3ml is a little big but nice and effective and easy to stuff a big wad of cotton in.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

1/2cc works fine too, and yes they will sell you 1ccs. The nice thing about this is you can recycle old syringes and turn them into filters as long as you sterilize them since you're not poking yourself with the dulled needle. As for the oral syringe, the only thing i would worry about is the bore being too wide, I wouldn't go above 3ml since it is then just getting too big for the amount of solution you are pushing through and eventually injecting with a 1ml or 1/2ml syringe, 3ml is a little big but nice and effective and easy to stuff a big wad of cotton in.

ok thanks.. much appreciation.

 

[jspun]

lmao, this site has scared me off of shooting *almost* ALL pills, dilaudid is the only one left actually

Know someone that was in a treatment center and was in pain. Long IV history- mostly tar. Anyway, he tried cooking up his friends dilaudid 4 mg pills.
Got abscesses in both arms- probably from missing. Turned to necrotizing fascitis and was hospitalized with 3 serious wounds- came close to lossing his arms.

Formulations made for IV use carry enough dangers. Be extra careful with phenergan- people have lost limbs when hospital administered phenergan has extravated-even though the iv was still patent.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Know someone that was in a treatment center and was in pain. Long IV history- mostly tar. Anyway, he tried cooking up his friends dilaudid 4 mg pills.
Got abscesses in both arms- probably from missing. Turned to necrotizing fascitis and was hospitalized with 3 serious wounds- came close to lossing his arms.

Formulations made for IV use carry enough dangers. Be extra careful with phenergan- people have lost limbs when hospital administered phenergan has extravated-even though the iv was still patent.

That's because he COOKED pills and probably filtered them to the same standards as through a tiny cotton. If you add heat tons (tens of mgs in this case for the small pills) of binders, fillers get dissolved that could normally be filtered with basic cotton at least or better yet my barrel filtration technique. That stuff doesn't stay dissolve and gets collected somewhere clogging u your veins causing abscesses and nasty infections among many other problems.

 

[edarrin]

i always thought dillies were alright to just crush add warm water shake and shoot as long as they are brand name?

I don't think even the brand name Dilaudid is formulated that way anymore. The good old days are over.

You should never heat hydromorphone IR but you do need to filter it with cotton at least. The old shake and bake doesn't exist anymore.


Personally, I've been using hydromorphone for a while now IV without apparent problem. I find anything meant to be long acting (like MSContin, Oxycontin , hydromorph-contin basically anything ending in contin) doesn't mix up well enough that I would risk shooting it . (although Oxycontin is alot easier to deal with than MSContin....that stuff is impossible)


Additionally, I'll ask if anyone has info about hydromorph-contin and whether any part of the plastic shit it is encased in is water soluble?

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Know someone that was in a treatment center and was in pain. Long IV history- mostly tar. Anyway, he tried cooking up his friends dilaudid 4 mg pills.
Got abscesses in both arms- probably from missing. Turned to necrotizing fascitis and was hospitalized with 3 serious wounds- came close to lossing his arms.

Formulations made for IV use carry enough dangers. Be extra careful with phenergan- people have lost limbs when hospital administered phenergan has extravated-even though the iv was still patent.

You should never heat dilaudid, that will make it just about as harmful as MScontin as all the binders will beak down and go into solution, than if you miss (like your buddy) all those extra binders from the heat will be stuck under his arm, almost guarenteed abcess.

I mean shooting dilly is still shooting a pill, but I consider it safer than shooting black tar easily, just add water, filter twice with cotton....the solution is COMPLETELY clear, the first time I thought it didnt work because all the powder left in the spoon and the rig just looked full of clear water.

But WHAM, it worked.