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CocksuckerNJ

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ok, i just recently got some gbl from someone. it's real because it tastes and smells foul. i once did too much, i was redosing quite a bit, 1ml here, 1.5ml there. .2 the second time. i was getting frustrated because i thought i had gotten beat. well, it was real because the minute i downed my 3rd redose cup, i started feeling the other 2. now what i was feeling was nothing like alcohol like euphoria. it was just sucky. i was expectinga lot of euphoria which is what made me buy it in the first place. so my question is. why is it not affecting me like it should? i did ghb once before when they still sold it in capsule form from gnc. and that had me feeling good. but now, it's different, i don't feel any heavy euphoria from it. on my day off i'm going to dose and redose till i find the perfect high.
 
GNC sells GBL !?!?!?!?

And gbl isn't necessarily euphoric to all people .

If it is euphoric it makes sense that it is euphoric to more stressed out users users with anxiety or paranoia .

This is because GBL doesn't affect serotonin or dopamine which are usually responsiable for "euphoria".

Instead gbl affects the GABA receptors which i'm not to farmiliar with
 
i find ghb euphoric and gbl not

up until 1991 or something they sold it at gnc's ..under other names though i think..
 
GBL is converted in the body to GHB - to all intents and purposes they are the same thing. Some like it, some don't. A single dose works best for euphoria but you need to measure it precisely cos fractions of a ml make a big difference. 1ml of GBL = 1.6g of GHB.
 
GNC sells GBL !?!?!?!?

And gbl isn't necessarily euphoric to all people .

If it is euphoric it makes sense that it is euphoric to more stressed out users users with anxiety or paranoia .

This is because GBL doesn't affect serotonin or dopamine which are usually responsiable for "euphoria".

Instead gbl affects the GABA receptors which i'm not to farmiliar with

This is completely wrong. Im a neuropharmacologist, and I can assure you, certain GABA receptors synapse onto Opioid post-synaptic membranes, which then synapse onto Dopaminergic neurons. This can and will indeed cause extensive euphoria.
 
Hehe. Alcohol never made anyone feel euphoric either. Damn those dysphoric and dull GABAnergics :!

PS: Before anyone gets all excited about the GNC thing, GHB/GBL were sold as "health supplements" amongst other things (superglue debonder, nail polish remover etc) some time ago but don't expect to find either in your local shop again any time ;)
 
GNC sells GBL !?!?!?!?

And gbl isn't necessarily euphoric to all people .

If it is euphoric it makes sense that it is euphoric to more stressed out users users with anxiety or paranoia .

This is because GBL doesn't affect serotonin or dopamine which are usually responsiable for "euphoria".

Instead gbl affects the GABA receptors which i'm not to farmiliar with

bullsh8t- ghb which gbl converts into ghb does have a recpetor that is in the gaba family that causes serotonin and dopamine release. it is called unsurprisingly the GHB receptor so this gives two ways in which GHB/GBL can have an anxiety/mood elevating effect.

look up wiki for simple explain 8shawn
 
Indeed. Gotta love a drug with its very own special receptor to call home :D

There are four GBL Megathreads in the EADD Megathreads linky in my sig (and also a GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal thread cos the w/d are brutal) with a ton of info. Well worth a read cos the "dose and redose till i find the perfect high" idea really isn't the best approach with this one. Needs a bit more precision to find that perfect high than just dose and hope really.
 
Gbl... *drools*..

it's subtle.. if your lookin to get fucked up it will fuck you up.. but not in a nice way..
 
GNC sells GBL !?!?!?!?

And gbl isn't necessarily euphoric to all people .

If it is euphoric it makes sense that it is euphoric to more stressed out users users with anxiety or paranoia .

This is because GBL doesn't affect serotonin or dopamine which are usually responsiable for "euphoria".

Instead gbl affects the GABA receptors which i'm not to farmiliar with


Um not necessarily... people can get euphoria from drugs acting on GABA as well. Heroin and other opiates are known to cause intense euphoria, believe it or not, and the euphoria is largely unrelated to serotonin and dopamine .(endorphins rather)
 
Ive overdosed on GBL trying to achieve the perfect high, I find the thing with GBL is that the euphoria comes and goes so quickly you feel the need to top up even though you are still high.
N since when you are already high off it 0.5ml can be enough to send you into an overdose, which is the mistake I made after consuming about 5ml in the space of about 4hours.

I was rushed to hospital comatised and fitting out.
But then was completely fine when they did tests on me because I sobered up I couldnt believe I was in hospital. I went home and felt pretty good considering I just nearly died.

Very addictive drug and usually you fall asleep on it because the dosage from nice euphoria to sleep is so minimal.
 
I'll just make it clear this is personal opinion purely based on over two years of heavy and basically daily GBL use and a fair bit of research done on GBL during that time...

That said, 5ml in 4 hours is nowhere near a lethal dose - the LD50 (based on rats) is a stonking dose of 17.2 ml/kg - for a 50kg person that's well over 800ml - a shitload to say the least. It's incredibly non-toxic stuff when you look into it - although drinking that amount to test the human LD50 would be more than just a bit stupid. Does perhaps suggest the safety margin is a hell of a lot wider than some tabloids would have us all believe though.

From what I've seen, it's not very easy at all to OD on GBL used alone - it's when combined with alcohol and other CNS depressants that it becomes far more dangerous. I could be wrong of course but those figures are pretty widespread - somebody please correct me if there are more precise human figures cos dodgy info is not good. But those are the figures I've seen all over.

When people overdo it they pass out and spazz about which - unless you know what it is - looks for all the world like life-threatening seizures and fitting. You come round perfectly okay within the hour every time, in my experience. Can't blame people for calling the ambulance but same thing everytime - awake and perfectly well within the hour and no problems after. Better safe than sorry, of course.

That is assuming no other drugs involved, not collapsing and cracking your head and the like... and that the stuff I've read isn't completely wrong or I've missed something vital, of course.

Either way, 5ml in 4 hours is on the high side of moderate-high dose for many - the redosing too soon catches us all out too. Lost count of the number of times I've gone spazzmatronic whilst passed out :\

GBL Toxicity Thread
 
I was rushed to hospital comatised and fitting out.
But then was completely fine when they did tests on me because I sobered up I couldnt believe I was in hospital. I went home and felt pretty good considering I just nearly died.

Very addictive drug and usually you fall asleep on it because the dosage from nice euphoria to sleep is so minimal.

Similar experience with 1,4b. I guess I died. During sex. At my girlfriends parents house. She managed to get boxers on me before I stopped breathing. Woke up in hospital 4 hours after she called 911. No memory of anything just wondering what the hell happened. After they removed the catheter and breathing tube I felt pretty good. Drug test came up negative for everything and her parents just thought I had some sort of seizure in my sleep. Paramedics fucked up IV and I dripped blood all over the place.

Passed out in my car. Neighbor in apartment complex pushed me back in (I was half way out of the car) and closed the door and let me sleep it off. I didn't even realize any of this happened until I ran in to him a week later and he explained what had happened. I just remember going to see my gf and next thing i know waking up in my car at my apartment at 3 AM.

Passed out in the bathroom at a taco bell coming back from tahoe. Stopped by the outlet stores with same gf and I decided to drink some 1,4b. I thought I eyed it out pretty well. Remember feeling dizzy so I sat on the toilet and locked the door to the handicap stall. Next thing I know two employees are carrying me out through the back and my girlfriend is explaining that I drank to much alcohol

These are just a few 1,4b/ghb/gbl moments in my life. I have to admit this is an addiction. MDPV (the fun good sexy kind) and this stuff is AMAZING. I am in love with GHB and it's retarded cousins gbl, 1,4b. Oxycontin, Crystal and 1,4b fueled this post and I hate myself. I just blinked 20 min ago.
 
I found it quite likely to OD permanently

I'll just make it clear this is personal opinion purely based on over two years of heavy and basically daily GBL use and a fair bit of research done on GBL during that time...

That said, 5ml in 4 hours is nowhere near a lethal dose - the LD50 (based on rats) is a stonking dose of 17.2 ml/kg - for a 50kg person that's well over 800ml - a shitload to say the least. It's incredibly non-toxic stuff when you look into it - although drinking that amount to test the human LD50 would be more than just a bit stupid. Does perhaps suggest the safety margin is a hell of a lot wider than some tabloids would have us all believe though.

From what I've seen, it's not very easy at all to OD on GBL used alone - it's when combined with alcohol and other CNS depressants that it becomes far more dangerous. I could be wrong of course but those figures are pretty widespread - somebody please correct me if there are more precise human figures cos dodgy info is not good. But those are the figures I've seen all over.

When people overdo it they pass out and spazz about which - unless you know what it is - looks for all the world like life-threatening seizures and fitting. You come round perfectly okay within the hour every time, in my experience. Can't blame people for calling the ambulance but same thing everytime - awake and perfectly well within the hour and no problems after. Better safe than sorry, of course.

That is assuming no other drugs involved, not collapsing and cracking your head and the like... and that the stuff I've read isn't completely wrong or I've missed something vital, of course.

Either way, 5ml in 4 hours is on the high side of moderate-high dose for many - the redosing too soon catches us all out too. Lost count of the number of times I've gone spazzmatronic whilst passed out :\

GBL Toxicity Thread

I don't know what type of rats they ran those tests on Shambles, but 800ml as a lethal dose?!! Fuck me, I OD'd on GBL alone, and the dose on three occasions was under 30ml ! When I say OD, I mean exactly that. I do not mean a one or two hour mini coma with fitting. I mean OD, as in I stopped breathing, and my heart stopped.

In all instances, I was unconscious for minimum of 5 hours, and when I really fucked it up, a lot longer than that. I can check back with my family and get exact times.

The thing that stuck in my mind though was after I came out of the ITU, and was in the assessment ward, I heard the head nurse telling one of her staff that I was an interesting case because I had been in a full coma the day before, and three hours after admission, and two resuscitations, my heart stopped, and I needed the crash cart. This nurse didn't believe that I'd taken only GBL as in her experience in nightclubs, people "came round" after passing out, and didn't stay comatose. Ignorant woman.

That was my experience, and its worth bearing in mind as you mentioned the bodyweight/LD ratio that I'm 6"3 and 17stone. I hadn't taken anything other than GBL, and I hadn't hit my head. I had a full check up in the following days, and my heart and other organs were functioning as normal, so there was no other reason for my coma and heart failure than ODing on GBL.
 
As I said, those figures quoted in the studies linkied did seem outrageously high but we ain't rats and actual human figures seem harder to come by. If it wasn't made clear enough I really wasn't saying necking half a litre of GBL would be a wise move 8o

The kinda figure you mention seems more reasonable and I can quite believe that to be the case - thanks for the info and glad you're here to pass it on alive and well. The point of bringing up the extraordinary safety profile in animal studies was that it's seems (to me certainly) nowhere near as easy to OD on as seems to be the general belief - few people would be taking doses of 30ml I would think. Let alone getting on for a litre 8(

I'm assuming that 30ml must have been cumulative? Any idea over how long a period cos that would be good to know. I often use upwards of 50ml over 24 hours and have had no problems so far. Then again I seem to miraculously not get any withdrawals either so maybe I'm just wired all wrong.

As I said, some idea of a reasonable human danger zone is good to know so many thanks for the info - just a shame you had to find out what it was on others' behalf :\

Incidentally, the GBL-dosed rats lived significantly longer than the sober ones too - animal studies are not the same as human studies but sometimes all that's to hand. Evidence for protecting against neurotoxicity too - hopefully at least some of the ratty stuff applies to humans just a bit :D
 
That said, 5ml in 4 hours is nowhere near a lethal dose - the LD50 (based on rats) is a stonking dose of 17.2 ml/kg - for a 50kg person that's well over 800ml - a shitload to say the least. It's incredibly non-toxic stuff when you look into it - although drinking that amount to test the human LD50 would be more than just a bit stupid. Does perhaps suggest the safety margin is a hell of a lot wider than some tabloids would have us all believe though.

Rats have a far higher metabolism than humans, while 17.2ml/kg may be fatal in rats, a fatal dose for humans would be much lower.
 
Hence posting for some clarification :)

Any idea how much that works out at? So many studies using rats as proof of all sorts of effects and I'd love to have an idea of how to convert it to humans even if only extremely roughly.

Study here for anyone that missed the linky above - rabbits involved too whilst they were at it.

NSFW:
GBL is rapidly and irreversibly hydrolysed into GHB by peripheral gamma-lactonase. GBL is more rapidly absorbed and has greater
bioavailability than GHB on an equimolar basis. In spite of the rapid hydrolysis of the lactone in blood, the distributive pattern of GBL may
be different from that of GHB. This can be one reason why GBL gives more prolonged hypnotic effects than GHB.

According to Roth and Giarman GBL is hydrolysed in blood and liver.


References:

Lettieri J, Fung H-L "Improved pharmacological activity via
pro-drug modification: comparative pharmacokinetics of sodium
gamma-hydroxybutyrate and gamma-butyrolactone"
Research Communications in Chemical Pathology and Pharmacology
1978, 22(1)107-118

Bernasconi R, Mathivet P, Bischoff S, Marescaux C
"Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid: an endogenous neuromodulator with
abuse potential?" Trends in Pharmacological Sciences 1999 vol.20, 135-141

Roth RH, Giarman NJ, "Gamma-butyrolactone and
gamma-hydroxybutyric acid. I. Distribution and metabolism.
Biochemical Pharmacology, 1966, vol. 15, pp. 1333-1348

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Found this from Toxline:

1,4-Butandiol
Authors:
Anonymous
Source: TA:Toxikologische Bewertung. Heidelberg, Berufsgenossenschaft der chemischen Industrie PG:29 p YR:1993 IP:
VI:99
Abstract:
1,4-Butanediol is metabolized to 4-hydroxybutyric acid, CO2, y-butyrolactone and succinic acid in various species of animal (e.g. mouse, rat, monkey) and in man. Succinic acid enters the citric acid cycle. The ultimate metabolite of 1,4-butanediol is CO2, which is predominantly eliminated via the lungs. The pharmacological effects in animals (sedation and narcosis) are probably chiefly caused by the metabolite 4-hydroxybutyric acid. According to the available acute toxicity studies, 1,4-butanediol is moderately toxic in animals (oral LD50 rat, between 1350 and 1780 mg/kg body weight; 4-hour LC50 values rat, > 5.1 and > 15 mg/l air). In rats and mice, intraperitoneal administration of 1,4-butanediol has marked narcotic and hypothermic effects. The threshold dose for the narcotic effect in the rat after intraperitoneal administration lies between 100 and 250 mg/kg body weight. Local application of neat 1,4-butanediol to rabbits causes mild skin irritation. The irritant effect on the eye is also mild. No characteristic signs of toxicity occur on oral administration of 0.25 or 3 mg/kg body weight/day to rats for 6 months. A dose of 30 mg/kg causes impairment of conditioned reflexes, as well as reduced cholinesterase and increased transaminase activities, reduced SH-group levels and an altered protein profile in the serum. Histologically, effects are seen in the brain, and fatty degeneration and sclerosis are found in the liver. In inhalation studies, slight histological changes are found in the lungs of rats after subacute exposure (0.003 to 0.005 mg/l for 2 hours daily for 30 days) and after subchronic exposure (0.3 to 0.5 mg/l for 4 hours daily or 1.5 to 2 mg/l for 2 hours daily, both for 4 months). A no effect level has been established. However, these findings appear questionable, as no such effects have been seen in subsequent 2-week subacute inhalation studies with exposure for 6 hours/day at concentrations that have been up to 1000-fold higher. The no effect level in these studies has been 1.1 mg/l. 1,4-Butanediol has shown no mutagenic activity in the Salmonella/microsome test or in Drosophila melanogaster. In man, sleep is induced by intravenous administration of 30 mg/kg body weight or by infusion of 15 to 22 mg/kg/hour for about 38 to 68 hours (initial dose 30 mg/kg body weight i.v.). Undesirable side-effects which may occur include restlessness and clonic spasms of the muscle of the extremities. Rectal administration of 15 or 30 g 1,4-butanediol (214 and 429 mg/kg body weight, respectively, at an assumed body weight of 70 kg) have led to coma and deep unconsciousness. 2 out of 7 patients have died within 72 hours, while the remainder has recovered. Based on the subchronic inhalation studies, a MAK value of 500 mg/m3 has been proposed for 1,4-butanediol in the former Soviet Union.

...


Templar, the effects of GHB on dopaminergic transmission are time and concentration dependent, thus it's very hard to say what are the consequences of concurrent administration of GHB and MDMA. There is one study, where injection of gamma-butyrolactone (400 mg kg-1, i.p.) 5 min before and 55 min after MDMA provided substantial protection against neurotoxicity.

The authors of the study I was refering to concluded that GBL most likely inhibited dopamine function, although it rised striatal dopamine levels (it has very time-dependent effects). My suggestion is that the observed neuroprotection was mainly due to hypothermia produced by GBL. In the study I was refering to, they didn't measure core temperature of rats. GHB/GBL has been observed to produce hypothermia in
experimental animals and decreased core temperature is known to attenuate the MDMA-induced neurotoxicity.

...

Two recent studies give some nice theories how GHB could help to methamphetamine comedown.

Barbaccia ML, Colombo G, Affricano D, Carai MA, Vacca G, Melis S, Purdy RH, Gessa GL.
GABA(B) receptor-mediated increase of neurosteroids by gamma-hydroxybutyric acid.
Neuropharmacology. 2002 May;42(6):782-91.

Gobaille S, Schleef C, Hechler V, Viry S, Aunis D, Maitre M.
Gamma-hydroxybutyrate increases tryptophan availability and potentiates serotonin turnover in rat brain.
Life Sci. 2002 Mar 22;70(18):2101-12.
 
gbl dosing for ODing

I'll sit down tomorrow, and put the GBL doses I took that led to my OD and respiratory failure. I need to speak to my mother who kept me alive with cpr until the paramedics arrived, to get the background as the only thing I remember is taking the G, and then being brought round in the ITU a couple of days later.

Its a difficult subject for her, and shes having counselling to help her get over the experience - finding your son "dead" has that effect 8o
 
I'll just make it clear this is personal opinion purely based on over two years of heavy and basically daily GBL use and a fair bit of research done on GBL during that time...

That said, 5ml in 4 hours is nowhere near a lethal dose - the LD50 (based on rats) is a stonking dose of 17.2 ml/kg - for a 50kg person that's well over 800ml - a shitload to say the least. It's incredibly non-toxic stuff when you look into it - although drinking that amount to test the human LD50 would be more than just a bit stupid. Does perhaps suggest the safety margin is a hell of a lot wider than some tabloids would have us all believe though.

From what I've seen, it's not very easy at all to OD on GBL used alone - it's when combined with alcohol and other CNS depressants that it becomes far more dangerous. I could be wrong of course but those figures are pretty widespread - somebody please correct me if there are more precise human figures cos dodgy info is not good. But those are the figures I've seen all over.

When people overdo it they pass out and spazz about which - unless you know what it is - looks for all the world like life-threatening seizures and fitting. You come round perfectly okay within the hour every time, in my experience. Can't blame people for calling the ambulance but same thing everytime - awake and perfectly well within the hour and no problems after. Better safe than sorry, of course.

That is assuming no other drugs involved, not collapsing and cracking your head and the like... and that the stuff I've read isn't completely wrong or I've missed something vital, of course.

Either way, 5ml in 4 hours is on the high side of moderate-high dose for many - the redosing too soon catches us all out too. Lost count of the number of times I've gone spazzmatronic whilst passed out :\

GBL Toxicity Thread

ye thats why when i woke up in hospital I was like look im fine this has happened before loads of times and when they run all the tests i was fine!
Just my m8s skecthing out.
 
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