Regional Pill/MDMA Discussion: Bangin pills bro

[Rayvon]

wasnt there alot of MDMA being made in ireland at one point? im sure it was getting made in the uk on a big scale as it was so ridicuously cheap at one point.

Yes i heard something a few years back that it was being made here and up north.. doesnt seem to be the case now as theres nothing.. id imagine alot of it was imported and some made here. its good news that holland seems to be up and running again and a few on here mentioned something they heard but couldnt say that is very good news and there will be crystal hitting uk&ireland soon.. fingers crossed thats true.. some great gigs next month they wont be the same without the good stuff..

 

[adam phinel]

That bust in Ibiza wasn't hundreds, it was 23000 or something.

There is obviously MDMA being made in the uk, but as Riklet says the bulk is coming from mainland Europe..

Crystal MDMA is available again in Holland. Its a matter of time I'd say...

Its here already, I have some. Also I know everyone says it's from Europe/Holland but Is there really any evidence to support that or is it just what people say?

Obviously Holland has good pill reports by looking, but not many of what they have there ends up here from what I can tell? Also sometimes I have had pills here before they appear on Holland pill reports. Like butterflys for example.

What makes everyone think it all comes from there?

 

[Rayvon]

theres a lot that we dont know im sure there has/is places in uk&ireland making crystal and pills and obviously we dont know about it.

 

[Evad]

What makes everyone think it all comes from there?

because it does or at least in the past has done. production moved into eastern europe quite a lot as well in recent years, apparently the first mainstream batches of piperazine pills were coming from poland (not eastern europe really but also not MDMA).

If you're talking about the recent butterflys they were almost certainly made mainland europe, same place as the swirls.

 

[captain codshit]

Govt stats have always shown Holland as the worlds #1 producer of MDMA.

Some batches of pills come straight over without even being sold there at all. Those lovehearts were from Holland, look how many there were millions!

I think its safe to say those butterflies came from Holland. So many of them over there and they were quite dear here.

When I said the bulk is coming from mainland Europe I was talking pills. Crystal MDMA I'd say theres a fair bit being made in the uk. Bulk prices here and Holland for crystal were quite similar. Either someone brings in alot, so they can sell the same price, or its being made here and sold at same prices.. Take your pick

 

[Rayvon]

anyone fancy going to holland for a bit of shopping? and i dont mean window shopping

 

[adam phinel]

because it does or at least in the past has done. production moved into eastern europe quite a lot as well in recent years, apparently the first mainstream batches of piperazine pills were coming from poland (not eastern europe really but also not MDMA).

If you're talking about the recent butterflys they were almost certainly made mainland europe, same place as the swirls.

The yellow 2cb ones. We had a good few months before they popped up in Europe pill reports.

I'm not trying to argue or anything I just wonder if it's one of those things that everyone thinks but is not true? I just like to question things I think it's healthy debate.

Is there any web links to support this production and supply from the places you say?

Logically speaking it would be crazy to smuggle MD when you think how quickly and easy it can be made. You would be safer smuggling the ingredients and setting up in the country you wanted to supply in my opinion?

 

[felix77]

anyone fancy going to holland for a bit of shopping? and i dont mean window shopping

Be there the 23rd and 24th and we can meet up! We will probably arrive late the 22nd, I'd like to go to the disco that night but the wife won't and she is already unjustly convinced something is up. I invited some guy and his girlfriend on facebook, but she has single and looking as her status.

 

[captain codshit]

Some of the ingrediants are as dodgy to get as the MDMA. Also the stats that say Holland is the worlds leading producer by quite some distance, doubt its all being consumed there..

What I was saying about the bust in Ireland, pills had been smuggled from Lithuania to Ireland. That suggests the pills weren't being made in the uk..

 

[felix77]

Its here already, I have some. Also I know everyone says it's from Europe/Holland but Is there really any evidence to support that or is it just what people say?

Obviously Holland has good pill reports by looking, but not many of what they have there ends up here from what I can tell? Also sometimes I have had pills here before they appear on Holland pill reports. Like butterflys for example.

What makes everyone think it all comes from there?

Are those butterflies white and are they good? I got offered some the other day.

 

[adam phinel]

Are those butterflies white and are they good? I got offered some the other day.

Yellow ones were 2cb and pretty strong and I would say very good. I haven't had white ones myself but it's generally a good stamp. Look for the little r on the back.

 

[Evad]

it's impossible to properly discuss this in such a public forum hah but even from government and world drug authority statistics (don't have any to hand but if you do a little searching they are about) it's pretty easy to see where the source of pills is.

weren't those yellow butterflies 2ct7 pills anyway? they wont have been produced anywhere near the scale of actually ecstasy tablets. heard them being sold as 2cb as well but they were 2ct7 afaik.

why do you think there's more risk smuggling than getting caught with a huge lab? there is definitely some domestic MDMA production but the vast majority of pills have always been imported, can't really give an insight into the mind of the gangs doing this though.

felix - they are different butterflies, there are decent MDMA containing white ones in Europe atm though

 

[jancrow]

September 2009: 'the Netherlands continues to be a significant transit point for drugs entering Europe (especially cocaine), and an important producer and exporter of synthetic drugs, particularly Ecstasy (MDMA), although MDMA production appears to have declined significantly in recent years. Dutch authorities received no reports of Ecstasy tablet seizures in the United States linked to the Netherlands in 2007, though this may be due to incomplete data.'

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3204.htm

 

[adam phinel]

Some of the ingrediants are as dodgy to get as the MDMA. Also the stats that say Holland is the worlds leading producer by quite some distance, doubt its all being consumed there..

What I was saying about the bust in Ireland, pills had been smuggled from Lithuania to Ireland. That suggests the pills weren't being made in the uk..

I know some ingredients are well dodge but actually it depends how far back you go in synthesis. For example, sassafras root bark you can even buy here from hippy shops which could be steam distilled to make safrole. It just depends how you do it It's possible just about possible OTC. Maybe not commercially viable though.

But yeah a shit load must get smuggled anyway.

 

[felix77]

Yellow ones were 2cb and pretty strong and I would say very good. I haven't had white ones myself but it's generally a good stamp. Look for the little r on the back.

kk, I haven't had a look but I wrote them off as menopause medicine. The guy who knows where to get them doesn't roll, said he didn't like it. I'm guessing he has never had MDMA. If he never tried them then they could be good.

I had some white rolex in Geneva that was supposed to be 2cb or some thing, 5 hours of waiting for it to end....

 

[adam phinel]

weren't those yellow butterflies 2ct7 pills anyway? they wont have been produced anywhere near the scale of actually ecstasy tablets. heard them being sold as 2cb as well but they were 2ct7 afaik.

why do you think there's more risk smuggling than getting caught with a huge lab? there is definitely some domestic MDMA production but the vast majority of pills have always been imported, can't really give an insight into the mind of the gangs doing this though.

felix - they are different butterflies, there are decent MDMA containing white ones in Europe atm though

I was told 2cb and marquis went green. But thats interesting I don't know much about 2ct7? Will look it up.

I think probably worse if your actually busted with a lab. But probably much easier and safer to get away with in the long run in my opinion;-)

 

[tekkeN]

loads more 2CB about at the moment than MDMA, more acid too it would seem, funny how quick availability can change

 

[adam phinel]

weren't those yellow butterflies 2ct7 pills anyway? they wont have been produced anywhere near the scale of actually ecstasy tablets. heard them being sold as 2cb as well but they were 2ct7 afaik.

Pure 2C-T-7 gives a salmon orange-red color in reaction to Marquis reagent, According to bluelight forum and Errowid? Mine tested green and I put it on pillreports with pic.

 

[HouseFever]

It is not scepticism, saying that the main producer of MDMA is Holland, it just is.

 

[Evad]

Pure 2C-T-7 gives a salmon orange-red color in reaction to Marquis reagent, According to bluelight forum and Errowid? Mine tested green and I put it on pillreports with pic.

cheers I was mistaken, the 2ct7 pills were orange and marked "WY"