Harm Reduction Ok You Guys Scare Me (About IVing Pills)

[Eight0Eight]

i don't remember where but i read that shooting subutex (i used to do this too) is one of the most dangerous things you can shoot up!!

otherwise, H is probably less dangerous to inject than pills, unless its "cheese" H

TBH, I'm not bothered right now.

I have a good filtering technique and I've had less trouble (complications) with shooting sub then I ever did with smack.

I want to start taking my sub properly. But I'm very scared that the reduced BA of sublingual Vs IV will put me into BAAAAD withdrawal.

I'm shooting 1mg/day.

I also have to work during the day (to earn money for next year at uni). I can't afford to be clucking all day.

 

[TheDankaholic]

I also have to work during the day (to earn money for next year at uni). I can't afford to be clucking all day.

That's always been the biggest problem for me as well. When i've had to come off of opiates or slow down my intake I've always had to be at a very well maintained level to taper because I simply cannot afford to be missing work or clucking all day because I'm not being held off well enough. I don't think there is anything wrong with being realistic.

 

[Tchort]

TBH, I'm not bothered right now.

I have a good filtering technique and I've had less trouble (complications) with shooting sub then I ever did with smack.

I want to start taking my sub properly. But I'm very scared that the reduced BA of sublingual Vs IV will put me into BAAAAD withdrawal.

I'm shooting 1mg/day.

I also have to work during the day (to earn money for next year at uni). I can't afford to be clucking all day.

For the purpose of managing withdrawal symptoms all day, Buprenorphine is more effective when taken sublingually vs IV. The effects last longer, and your blood concentration won't spike then decline like it does with IV administration.

The decrease in BA most likely won't be noticeable. The benefit of having your dose effect you on a smoother timeline with peak blood concentrations lasting longer than with IV, you may even notice more effective signs.

 

[drunken_etard]

huh...ppl heat the solution when using OXY? I never did. I was told not to because the fillers have more of a chance dissolving in a hot solution then cold.

and I know the solubility for oxycodone is the same when the water is COLD and hot..soo yeah

 

[Captain.Heroin]

huh...ppl heat the solution when using OXY? I never did. I was told not to because the fillers have more of a chance dissolving in a hot solution then cold.

and I know the solubility for oxycodone is the same when the water is COLD and hot..soo yeah

I definitely never would. Please do not heat the OC solution.

 

[dwade2009]

I honestly always felt that when you shoot OC or Roxi's and dillys that it really isn't as bad as many people say. Yea some filler do get into solution, but you gotta realize how much of those fillers are left behind in the spoon just after one round of filtering. It actually looks like a lot, enough where you might think that if there's 30 mg oxy and 240 mg total, that maybe there's 200 mg sitting in the spoon meaning that only 10 mg filler got into your solution.

BTW quick question: anyone know the ingredients of the generic roxi 30's. Mallinkrodt and Actavis brands.

 

[Deveel]

Roxi M30s dont have any talc in them. Forget where I found it but I looked up the ingredients.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I honestly always felt that when you shoot OC or Roxi's and dillys that it really isn't as bad as many people say. Yea some filler do get into solution, but you gotta realize how much of those fillers are left behind in the spoon just after one round of filtering. It actually looks like a lot, enough where you might think that if there's 30 mg oxy and 240 mg total, that maybe there's 200 mg sitting in the spoon meaning that only 10 mg filler got into your solution.

BTW quick question: anyone know the ingredients of the generic roxi 30's. Mallinkrodt and Actavis brands.

Brand name dilaudid doesn't have many inactive ingredients, but generic dilaudid has nasty inactives which require a micron to get them out. Also, OC's have talc, which would need a micron to get filtered out. If you're going to IV any of the above pills you mentioned, I think brand name Dilaudid should be your first choice.

 

[dwade2009]

Brand name dilaudid doesn't have many inactive ingredients, but generic dilaudid has nasty inactives which require a micron to get them out. Also, OC's have talc, which would need a micron to get filtered out. If you're going to IV any of the above pills you mentioned, I think brand name Dilaudid should be your first choice.

I would agree with you but as of this moment the only opiates I have access to are the oxy 30's

 

[AphexAcid93]

I had to have a arm lanced/drained due to shooting pills - so, I'm not saying you should or should not. But, I go with the latter.

hope this helps.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I would agree with you but as of this moment the only opiates I have access to are the oxy 30's

Then go to gpzservices.com or researchsupply.net and order some equipment* to make sterile vials of micron filtered oxy solution, including 0.2 micron filters so as to filter out the talc in the pills. That's what I would suggest if you are going to be IVing any substantial amount of OC's.

(*equipment you will need to micron filter: luer lock syringes, 0.2 micron filters, bacteriostatic water, sealed vial, needle tips)

I had to have a arm lanced/drained due to shooting pills - so, I'm not saying you should or should not. But, I go with the latter.

hope this helps.

What pills were you shooting? What specific complication did you have, an abscess from missing a shot?

This, among a lot of other reasons as well, is why we suggest people get micron filters if they're going to be shooting any pills.

 

[PendulumAM]

I started reading this thread and got worried, because my boyfriend likes to shoot roxy 30's (there are three kinds he gets: malinkrove, a-215 and V's). does anyone know if roxy 30's have talc or crystalline in them? I couldn't find it with google. he also heats the solution and uses cotton to filter- does this make it worse?

 

[madmancrazy4trying]

hi people i always thought dillies were alright to just crush add warm water shake and shoot as long as they are brand name?
if they are not i will start to filter.
also where can i find the info for preparing slow release capsules of dillaudid 6 mg ?

 

[AphexAcid93]

What pills were you shooting? What specific complication did you have, an abscess from missing a shot?
This, among a lot of other reasons as well, is why we suggest people get micron filters if they're going to be shooting any pills.

Indeed an Abscess, that I ignored like a fool, for around 2 weeks.8)
Due to shooting alot of Roxi's and Dilaudid; using the ol' foolish/stupid as fuck cigarette-filter method(Not to mention: RE-USING the same filthy-filters for 10 to 11 shots in a row!)
....I was 17 at the time, and was told I'd "be fine" by re-using by the people I was scoring with/etc.. -Not blaming them, at all, I was ignorant and deserved what cards was dealt to me.

And I was also new to I.V.'ing,
and basicly taught myself without taking a few moments of my time,
to wait and find a good vein-chart/shooting tips & info, when indeed I HAD the resources like here on BL, and etc..

Learned from my mistakes, after going through the draining & lancing routine 3 times, though. Such a foolish one, I can be. Ashamed to admit, how fucking stupid I can be, when jonesing and lacking self-control.

I just am thankful I've not lost a finger/toe/hand/arm or leg, due to the above.
Point blank, sorry I'm rambling...as it has been said many, many times on here:
EDUCATE YOURSELF, PLEASE, BEFORE YOU GO FROLLOCKING INTO I.V. LAND!

peace be unto all! -AA93

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I started reading this thread and got worried, because my boyfriend likes to shoot roxy 30's (there are three kinds he gets: malinkrove, a-215 and V's). does anyone know if roxy 30's have talc or crystalline in them? I couldn't find it with google. he also heats the solution and uses cotton to filter- does this make it worse?

Using a cotton to filter is OK but micron filters are ideal. There's no need to heat the solution, please tell him he's just putting in more crap into the solution, and the good stuff is soluble in cold water.

hi people i always thought dillies were alright to just crush add warm water shake and shoot as long as they are brand name?
if they are not i will start to filter.
also where can i find the info for preparing slow release capsules of dillaudid 6 mg ?

You should still filter Dilaudid, just to prevent the solution from clogging the needle, but the brand name Dilaudid don't have anything too bad for you in them so that IVing is possible.

Indeed an Abscess, that I ignored like a fool, for around 2 weeks.8)
Due to shooting alot of Roxi's and Dilaudid; using the ol' foolish/stupid as fuck cigarette-filter method(Not to mention: RE-USING the same filthy-filters for 10 to 11 shots in a row!)
....I was 17 at the time, and was told I'd "be fine" by re-using by the people I was scoring with/etc.. -Not blaming them, at all, I was ignorant and deserved what cards was dealt to me.

And I was also new to I.V.'ing,
and basicly taught myself without taking a few moments of my time,
to wait and find a good vein-chart/shooting tips & info, when indeed I HAD the resources like here on BL, and etc..

Learned from my mistakes, after going through the draining & lancing routine 3 times, though. Such a foolish one, I can be. Ashamed to admit, how fucking stupid I can be, when jonesing and lacking self-control.

I just am thankful I've not lost a finger/toe/hand/arm or leg, due to the above.
Point blank, sorry I'm rambling...as it has been said many, many times on here:
EDUCATE YOURSELF, PLEASE, BEFORE YOU GO FROLLOCKING INTO I.V. LAND!

peace be unto all! -AA93

Glad to hear you're still here with us man. And at least you know better so as to educate your friends if they're still reusing cigarette filter cottons.

Do you have a scar? Was it painful?

 

[hexxx]

While it is possible to cut dope with anything, it's made specifically for injecting. Therefore, most of the cuts are added with that in mind.

Pills on the other hand WILL cause serious problems. All pills contain talc, and talc will kill your lungs.

In your country maybe.

True... In my country they have found crushed dry wall and cement in our "Thai White" and Bistro (gravy powder) and curry powder in our "Brown Sugar" upon analysis. Some of our dealers aren't particularly interested in maintaining return clients. Although you probably won't die, just lose an arm or something. And then need even more heroin to cope with the pain of a phantom limb. So maybe it is really a smart business decision?

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

lmao, this site has scared me off of shooting *almost* ALL pills, dilaudid is the only one left actually....and before I wouldn't hesitate to bang OC's, Mscontin ("right brand" done "right"), even came close to shooting an adderall untill it drew up orange, coudlnt bring myself to that, especially for a non opiate....

That's Harm Reduction at its finest folks.

 

[AphexAcid93]

Glad to hear you're still here with us man. And at least you know better so as to educate your friends if they're still reusing cigarette filter cottons.

Do you have a scar? Was it painful?

appreciate bro.
yeah, I have a couple of scars, not too bad considering though. and, the pain really wasn't too terribly bad, the first time when listening to other peoples horror-stories, but the last time...oh dear god, they had to flush and re-flush my hand with alcohol an anti-biotic-gel that burned like fucking hell, the total process took about an hour, because I keptjumping and freaking out, like a maniac of some sort, due to the pain, and of course not receiving anything more than a Ibeprofen for it. it wouldhave taken probably around 10 minutes, if it had been a "normal case".(keep in mind, I was also on day #3 of cold turkey withdrawal, after a very cozy, sweet month and a half long-every day- heroin-jag, that stopped in a flick of a lighter, due to my connections encountering a raid...good god, that was a motherfucker!)

be safe everyone, nobody deserves to learn their lesson that way. I don't regret it though, honestly. It gave me some well needed lessons of true hard times.

 

[Shambles]

In my country they have found crushed dry wall and cement in our "Thai White" and Bistro (gravy powder) and curry powder in our "Brown Sugar" upon analysis.

Not just your country. Some addict/dealers would add brick dust to pad out the bags after dipping them when desperate - nasty but at least it doesn't break down so easily filtered. Bisto was a real bitch though and there was loads of it briefly. Got pulled with a "slightly larger than personal but not enough to be too concerned" amount of this nasty weak shit that turned to jelly if you didn't shoot it while the solution was still pretty hot. Horrible, horrible stuff... but when there's nowt else 8)

After the 6 o'clock knock biznizz, I got to spend some quality time explaining why I had that much on me and so on at the sty. When the other piggy came in with the test results the atmosphere went from bit iffy to "You poor cunt! They're seriously taking the piss aren't they?" - was 7% heroin and 93% pure shit - mostly Bisto. Yummy

There's not a big IV pill scene at all here but with gear like that (was a one off but bad enough) shooting unfiltered MSContins probably can't be any worse

Off-topic ramble back to vaguely on topic like a pro :D

 

[Oxymorphone]

Let me re-post my filtering technique that is essentially free for the 99% of people who are going to shoot pills without a micron. It really works at least 50 times better than just sucking up through a cotton ball or nothing.

Take an old syringe and sterilize it with alcohol or preferably bleach then rinse it, also wash your hands. You can remove the needle but that is optional, if it is 30 gauge or smaller I would say pull it out. Most people will have 1ml and 1/2ml syringes lying around, go for the bigger ones, I have found 3ml to be the ideal size for extremely efficient filtering. Now get a cotton ball and cut some strips that can be doubled up and inserted into the barrel of the syringe with a paper clip, you can use any cotton, using one or two pieces form a cotton ball is just a little easier than 15 from q-tips. Pack the cotton down firmly with the plunger to the 30-40 unit line on a 1cc syringe.

Here is a little side step for pre-filtering pills with a lot of gunk and it is also good for very effectively quick filtering pills that don't need much of any filtering (suboxone) or just street drugs. Sterilize an old syringe and remove the needle. Mix up the solution and drop a cotton ball in, press the needless syringe straight down on it creating a firm seal and draw back. It should be pretty well filtered, many times just this is enough.

Anyway whether you prefilter or not, for the best possible filtration with spare supplies you already have just back load the solution to be filtered into the barrel full of cotton, insert the plunger and push through. The result is extremely translucent and well filtered and the best of any home method I have seen, it doesn't compare to anything except for a micron. nothing really gets stuck in the cotton in the barrel either, just remove the plunger and push it down again and the air will force everything remaining out. i generally filter it directly into the barrel of the syringe I'll be shooting with. You can try filtering multiple times with multiple filters like this if you're really paranoid but I have found one done right is great.