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Bluelight and the Aussie Internet Filter – Will it affect us?

I ask, how can someone with a self confessed learning difficulty (Conroy), be tasked with censorship? In the end it's all about forcing your views and beliefs on other people.

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TLB has raised questions about other material - medical based stuff - being caught in the filter.

What about the research area? Tronica, how will this be likely to affect researchers like yourself? Not only will info you seek be harder to obtain but from what I can gather the mere publishing of drug discussion or illicit activity may be compromised. What will happen if the EDRS or a similar publication becomes the new drug users directory for finding out what drugs are used, how they are used, and even which are easiest to obtain? A little far fetched possibly, but I'm sure you get my drift. If public complaints are to be the basis for things being included under this broad wording, then anything like this published online could face a similar fate.

So, will universities be included under the government's ISP filter?

Apart from the obvious, there's also the issue of whether being in possession of any ISP banned material will be a criminal offense. It certainly is in relation to owning banned books in Qld. When PiHKAL was first published, there was virtually nothing equivalent available to those AOD workers who were attempting to stay abreast with the emergence of many of those compounds. Copies were kept out of sight, hidden by these workers and officials, as they knew all too well what they could face if caught. The way I see it, without set, well defined boundaries, this legislation has far reaching implications that go well beyond the internet.



Anyone know if this ever amounted to anything?

Hackers target govt over filter
By Renai LeMay, ZDNet.com.au
09 September 2009 11:30 AM

A group of hackers mainly known for their attacks against the Church of Scientology has threatened a widespread web attack starting today against the Federal Government in an attempt to protest its internet filtering initiative.

The group, which dubs itself Anonymous, has achieved online notoriety for previous attacks against the Church of Scientology.

The group appears to have detailed public plans online to start attacking the websites, email addresses and fax numbers of the Federal Government, particularly Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and the Australian Communications and Media Authority after the expiry of an ultimatum published one month earlier.

"A state of war between Anonymous and the Australian Government, and between Anonymous and all other governments which find themselves so inclined to impose censorship upon the internet, will be recognised," the site, which describes the proposed attack as "Project Didgeridie" states. "We need to blast their servers into the dust."

Intelligent Business Research Services advisor and security expert James Turner said Anonymous should let Australians deal with the internet filter issue as per normal political processes.

"We are a democracy and this is one of the most popular governments ever," he told ZDNet.com.au this morning. "In contrast to this, the censorship plan has clearly been driven by a few fringe politicians who are out of touch."

"If these politicians fail to understand the sentiment in Australia around this censorship plan then it's very likely that they will be removed from their seats at the next election. This is how Australia works. We're probably the most stable democracy in the world, and we'll simply vote these politicians out."

Turner said Australia's press had done a "sensational job of eviscerating the censorship plan", which he said was "now effectively dead in the water". Consequently, violent attacks were not required.

A spokesperson for Minister Conroy's office had not yet responded to a request for comment on the issue.

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the government spending millions of dollars facilitating stupidity under public pressure motivated by ignorance....who'd of thought :\

that sounds familiar......

that's democracy though isn't it. end of the day the majority make the choices, politicians are just the incarnation of the currently impulsive masses

as long as the majority believes that an internet filter will save us from terrorists and pedophiles it doesn't even matter if the politicians know better. if they speak up they risk being rail roaded by the opposition capitalising on that public ignorance to gain public favour
 
I dont think it is democracy. it would be interesting to c the results of a referendum. No one i kno wants it.

Yet another freedom being taken from us :(
 
the government spending millions of dollars facilitating stupidity under public pressure motivated by ignorance....who'd of thought :\

that sounds familiar......

that's democracy though isn't it. end of the day the majority make the choices, politicians are just the incarnation of the currently impulsive masses

as long as the majority believes that an internet filter will save us from terrorists and pedophiles it doesn't even matter if the politicians know better. if they speak up they risk being rail roaded by the opposition capitalising on that public ignorance to gain public favour
The problem is that the majority DOESN'T agree with this - every poll I've seen suggests between 90 and 98% of people disagree. Even my parents, who are members of the Australian Christian Lobby think that this is going WAY too far. My dad even things that banning X-rated material.
 
Conroy maiswell have a leraning disability, be's think as a brick wall.

I mean, it doesn't really inspire confidence in the government where the portfolio for Telecommunications is held by someone who doesn't have the foggiest of how telecommunications work and struggles to piece together a meaningful sentence without making a fool of himself.

I can't wait for the day a rich nerd gets voted into parliament and gets the telecommunications seat.
 
Bernard Keane’s guide to writing to Ministers
by Bernard Keane

If your first instinct upon hearing about the Rudd-Conroy plan to censor the internet is to email Stephen Conroy, your local member and Labor senators from your state to protest, wait up.

Or, in fact, do it anyway, then read this.

Let me explain some facts about writing to ministers, drawn from my sordid, blood-soaked and adventure-filled time as a public servant.

For a start, understand that few ministers if any read their correspondence. It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that it’s not humanly possible to read even a fraction of the amount of emails, faxes and letters they get. So the chances of you directly influencing a Minister with your particularly brilliant insight into the issue are zip. Deal with it. Things don’t work like that.

Their staff will read correspondence, but only when considering a reply prepared by their Department.

And that is only a small proportion of the actual volume of correspondence received. Some is answered directly by bureaucrats. But much of it is simply binned. Don’t waste your time sending off a letter pre-prepared by some enthusiastic online advocacy group, where you sign at the bottom, endorsing the nicely-phrased sentiments at the top. They’re called “campaign” ministerials and are binned without being read or replied to (but please don’t tell the Friends of the ABC, who rely heavily on that technique, and haven’t had a letter to Canberra read for two decades).

Most non-campaign letters and emails - some departments still won’t reply to emails but demand your snail mail address, perhaps out of residual loyalty to Australia Post - are answered using what’s called “standard words” - a reply that ostensibly covers the issue raised but which normally says as little as possible. They say as little as possible because the mindset of bureaucrats and ministerial advisers is to keep as many options open as possible, except when there is a particular message that the Government wants to hammer.

Standard words are worked up by bureaucrats and edited and signed off by the Minister’s staff when they’re happy the words are risk-free or convey the desired message. In most departments, they are then loaded into electronic ministerial correspondence systems. This means a bureaucrat doesn’t even need to cut-and-paste into a Word document, merely tell the system to use a particular set of standard words under the name, address, salutation and opening paragraph, which have all been electronically entered already.

So if you send off an angry email or letter about net filtering, all you’ll likely get is an automatically-generated reply giving you the standard words on the issue. There’ll be minimal human involvement in the writing of it until it is stuffed into an envelope and dispatched.

You may not think it’s very democratic or consultative, but it’s a damn sight more efficient than processing correspondence by hand.

But if you can’t have any impact on policy, you can have an impact on the level of resources used to answer your letter. And that resource is the time of bureaucrats - the same bureaucrats who advise Conroy on policy, and implement his decisions. In most Departments, ministerial replies have to be approved by SES Band 1 officers before being sent to the Minister’s office, which means many replies consume the precious time both of senior bureaucrats and ministerial advisers. Many Departments also have formal agreements with Ministers that a certain proportion of correspondence will be answered within a certain period of time. If they’re not, more people have to be put into answering correspondence.

So if you want to consume as much of the Department of Broadband’s time as possible, here’s what to do. There’s not much you can do to avoid receiving a standard reply. But you don’t have to confine your missive to net filtering. Throw in some other topics. That means someone will have to put together a reply using standard words from different areas, which is a lot more complicated and can’t be done automatically. Ask about the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN). That means someone in the NBN area has to provide some words. Ask about Telstra. That’s another area entirely that has to provide input. If there’s three or four topics in your letter, bureaucrats will start arguing to avoid having to be responsible for it. The NBN area will tell the net filtering area it’s their responsibility to collate the response. The net filtering area will try to off-load it to the Telstra area. A Band 1 in one area will make changes and the whole lot will have to be re-approved by a Band 1 in another area.

Throw in something on Australia Post. Ask about something obscure. They may not have standard words at all and someone will have to actually prepare a proper reply.

You see, once your letter stops being a standard rant about filtering and requires actual work, the amount of time taken to prepare a response can snowball dramatically.

You can also use the Government’s system for allocating correspondence. As a start, always write to your MP first, even if it’s a Coalition MP. They will send the letter to Conroy and ask for a response to provide to you. MPs - even Opposition MPs - must get a response no matter what, as part of the civilities of politics, and it normally has to come from the Minister himself. But write to other Ministers as well. Ask Kim Carr what the impact of filtering will be on Australia’s IT industry. Ask Jenny Macklin what impact she thinks it will have on families. Ask Robert McClelland what the penalties will be for breaches of the mandatory filtering requirements. And ask Kevin Rudd how a Government that understands the need to bring Australia’s online infrastructure into the 21st century wants to drag it back to the 19th when it comes to content regulation.

All of those letters will have to go from the recipient’s department to Conroy’s Department for a response, then back to the originating Department, where they might add some additional material of their own. If you come up with a particularly complicated issue, the bureaucrats might start disagreeing with each other. Innovation bureaucrats might think Broadband’s net filter standard words doesn’t quite answer your question and want something else.

And don’t ask the same questions in different letters, otherwise they’ll bin them and tell you they understand you’ve separately written to your MP/another Minister/Kevin Rudd and here’s your job lot reply. Ask different questions and raise different issues.

And be pleasant. Apart from anything else, if there’s too much abuse in a letter, it gets thrown out (quite rightly). But these are decent, hard-working bureaucrats and regardless of what you think of Stephen Conroy, they deserve civility and respect.

Most of all, get your friends, acquaintances, family members, work colleagues, passing strangers, all writing. The bureaucratic capacity to handle ministerial correspondence is a lot like the net filters trialled earlier this year. At low levels of traffic they work OK, but once the traffic picks up, things start to choke up. That’s when Stephen Conroy and his office might start to notice that things are slowing down.
 
The internet filter stands against everything I believe in, and I refuse to live in a country where Big Brother is ruler. If this filter goes through Im leaving aus for good, its going up a very dark path.

Have a look at this if you want to save bluelight or atleast try.

http://nocleanfeed.com/

Take action.
 
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mepat1111, you might be right, i don't know much about it.....

but the government will do whatever they can get away with, and most people might not see this as a threat to their freedoms because it won't come into the periphery of their every day lives

it was marketed with terrorists and pedophiles allegedly in sight but the government has just thrown whatever other content displeases them on the black list because they can

democracy, fascism, communism, socialism, they're all just words describing the social structure of human communities, i'm sure all of the above and more come into play in just about every developed government in the world...it just depends what they perceive as necessary, and the people will allow

people will always have the ability to make their own decisions, but generally in the early days of an undeveloped civilization they might not be in a position to challenge the "rule by force" government, they might have allowed this government to take hold under the impression it was in their interests in the first place

it's all just the learning process, generally speaking where one person calls the shots in their own interest eventually it's going to piss people off enough to the point that they revolt, the mob has spoken.......from here you generally get a liberal society with a senate and elected officials representing (not ruling) the majority

this net filter is a bit sketchy but it's not earth shattering, i find it highly unlikely that it will have a snow ball effect on the every day freedoms of australians.....in my opinion we aren't the most cooperative of people at the best of times, the government won't push their luck

but, lets get imaginary and say they do, that's how the mob has to learn

in this extremely unlikely imaginary australia where a "rule by force" entirely government takes hold of australia the mob will eventually figure out that they've made a mistake and this isn't a good thing and do something about it

that aside, i don't think people need to panic and leave the country.....
 
This is the list of marginal ALP seats.....

Good work with that. I have also been having a look at the senate list. Might be worth writing to a few of the independents? I wouldn't bother mentioning BL or anything like that, as noble as the cause of HR is, most MP's wouldn't give two hoots about it.
I would write about the myriad of other problems this retarded net censorship thing will cause:

1. It will NOT stop ANYONE with an IQ larger than their shoe size from accessing exactly what they want. (hell it will stop Conroy, but the average 10 year old is more tech savvy than him) I am pretty sure that VPN's, proxies, encrypted P2P etc have all been mentioned here already.

2. Given point 1. that makes this whole system a monumental waste of money. Who's money? From what I have read the cost of all the extra hardware software will be passed straight on to the consumer. Oh great, as if Australia's internet wasn't expensive enough already. Even if the government pays for it, that still means its wasting Australians money.

4. If the aim of mandatory filtering is to stop people looking at child abuse material, the money would be better given to the AFP.

5. As for the other aim, "protecting children online" why make the filtering mandatory for all? Not every house hold as children. Further to this mandatory filtering will not protect children from predators using FB MS etc. If anything it will likely lull ignorant parents in to a false sense of security.

6. Over blocking. All it takes to ruin a small Australian online business is for its URL to be placed on the secret blacklist. This has already occurred. No doubt it would happen more if the system were introduced. I think aking a fuss about damage to small business will resonate well with some MPs. Far more so than anything about civil liberties etc.

7. Under blocking. etc

I haven't had time to have a good read of the enex test results yet. Will be having a good read of the thread on www.whirlpool.net.au these holidays coming up. I am sure there is still a few technical issues. Particularly with speeds and the upcoming NBN. From what I understand the enex tests only used 8MB/s which is an average ADSL speed for most of Australia. They really should be forced to test a highly saturated 100MB/s network before stating that the system is ready to go ahead.



Given the lack of success labour has had passing bills lately I wouldn't think that Australia's internet is condemned to a life time of anal rape just yet. Conroy might have a throbbing choad and have it bent over and ready, but the nets pants are still on so far.



I wrote to my MP (Liberal) about a year ago on this issue. The response was the fairly standard party response at the time. The libs were waiting on the trials but seemed to be erring on the side of not supporting censorship. Think it's time to write to my MP once again and see if the standard response is the same.
 
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Where there is a will there is a way people, bluelight aus will survive as long as we are aware of it. Also stand up and have something to say about it. I'm not saying get a high powered rifle and shooting conroy is the way to go although it might help ;) but send a letter or sign the petition, express your concern for the censorship of the freedoms we should have.



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Good work with that. I have also been having a look at the senate list. Might be worth writing to a few of the independents? I wouldn't bother mentioning BL or anything like that, as noble as the cause of HR is, most MP's wouldn't give two hoots about it.
I would write about the myriad of other problems this retarded net censorship thing will cause:

Where there is a will there is a way people, bluelight aus will survive as long as we are aware of it. Also stand up and have something to say about it. I'm not saying get a high powered rifle and shooting conroy is the way to go although it might help ;) but send a letter or sign the petition, express your concern for the censorship of the freedoms we should have.

Make sure you follow Bernard Keanes tips in the article I posted on the other page, if you want to maximise their impact, do things like bring up multiple opics so that it makes the keyword search more labour intensive, send letters to your loacal MP and then to Conroy, then to every other minister asking how the proposed filter will affect their portfolio - and remember to mix it up so that they can't turn around ad say 'I understand this issue has been addressed by the Minister for...'. It's only once their workload fills up with this sort of stuff that they will actually notice, and it will give the Department less time to actually work in implementing the filter.
 
I don't think this is really appropriate, while MazDan appears not to have researched the issue properly before posting, I hardly see how this is justification for a personal attack on him.

Knowing him personally, and having met him, I confidently say that he is not a fascist, a cunt or a fucking asshole :P Instead I would suggest he is unenlightened on this particular topic.

you're right and I don't normally do that and you'll notice that was an edit cause I was angry. I haven't been this upset about something in ages. And also, to be fair on me regarding what you said, people shouldn't cite an opinion if they aren't 'enlightened' on the topic. Cause that's how shit like this get's through and you know it. The piggy back it on to some sentimental crap like "think of the children" or "stop the terrorists" (both of which mazdan cited) and a whole bunch of people assume it's probably in the end a good thing and fail to realise the utter horror that is being imposed on them.

I'm sorry (MazDan) I was out of line. But honestly, this issue has really got me upset.
 
Where there is a will there is a way people, bluelight aus will survive as long as we are aware of it. Also stand up and have something to say about it. I'm not saying get a high powered rifle and shooting conroy is the way to go although it might help ;) but send a letter or sign the petition, express your concern for the censorship of the freedoms we should have.

I think one of the issues could be that even though some of us will be able to circumvent the filter and still access bluelight, not everyone will or will be bothered, especially new users. Bluelight is already fairly obscure and I can't see many new Aussies discovering the site and signing up if they have to use proxies etc first. If some kid is new to drugs and seeking harm minimisation info they're probably going to hit google, won't see BL, PR, erowid etc, and will be restricted to whatever government endorsed "just say no" sites are out there.
 
this issue is really making me sick.

Just the fact im going to have to jump through hoops to access the sites i'd like, makes me fucking angry. I'm no stranger to surfing annonymously, using VPNs and the like. But it still shits me to have to do it, and to get one half decent, you still have to pay for it - and then furthermore you have a decline in speed. None of these are good things.

Our net is slow, we're fucking 20 years behind the rest of the world - why try new technologies when our current backbone is behind with everything else?

I live and breath internet - and now every fucking social liberty i have, the only freedom i have - is being taken from me. You cant take a shit anymore without someone knowing who is in cubicle one. I find it highly likely that i will save enough money this year - to move my family and i to the UK, or another developed EU country - where i won't be subjected to draconian laws regarded to new drugs, internet filtering, and dirty fucking old christians who i could not give two shits about forcing their retarded religious semi-american ways on me.

This just makes me so fucking angry.
 
wtf am i reading this correctly.. this guy wants to destroy our cars, cost us more in fuel, and then - get this...

make it mandatory to have speed humps outside sex shops and gaybars? WHY? I don't get it? how are they high risk speeding spots? is it just so people slow down and have a look.. omg i want to shoot this guy.

Fuck this, this dude is gonna get assassinated. He's like the christian hitler.

to quote this idiot:
"After a 12 month trial of speed humps in several suburban back streets, Senator Conroy says he is confident that placing speed humps on every Australian freeway will reduce accidents by 100 percent with a "negligible" impact on traffic congestion and travel times.

"Australia's roads are a dangerous place for children, so the Rudd government is doing everything it can to protect people," says Senator Conroy. "A vocal minority of drivers may object to the plan, but the moral majority can see that it's the right thing to do. Anyone who objects to the mandatory speed hump plan obviously hates children"."

And then;

"The wording of the mandatory speed hump plan leaves scope for it to be expanded beyond the freeways, although there are few details available. Senator Conroy claims the plan will only be applied to areas which have been "refused classification". Supporters of the speed hump plan have already called for it to be expanded to include roads outside casinos, gay bars, adult book stores and some medical clinics."


- ANYONE WHO DOESNT LIKE THIS IDEA HATES CHILDREN. WHAT KIND OF GUILT TRIP IS THAT???

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. FFS THIS GUY IS MAKING OUR LAWS. IM FUCKING FURIOUS NOW!

I'm buying a fucking rifle, and im gonna go sit, outside parliament and hunt this guy.

We need to march against this cocksucker - i propose a AusDD fucking trip to Canberra onto this guy doorstep, and a probable beating for him. He hates children, he wants to ruin australia for the future leaders of this country. This guy probably doesnt even have kids. He needs to fuck off to america where people still wouldn't like his form of politics and they're fanatic christians.

This guy is the fucking reason i cant buy the video games i like in this country - because games are only for children apparantly? Refused classification - because this country is fucking backward. GOD I AM BECOMING SO UNPATRIOTIC - I HATE THIS FUCKING COUNTRY ITS RIDICULOUS. WE'RE RULED BY PEOPLE WITH AN IQ SMALLER THAN THEIR SHOE SIZE


IM SO FUCKING ANGRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
 
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