Florida vS. Alabama (poll plz!!!)

[Pander Bear]

Let me ask you a question. If the Gates were playing Troy and one of their players decided to punch their walk-on place holder and then proceeded to punch anybody who came to help him, what would you expect the Gators to do? Let a couple players get mauled by the entire Troy bench?

bring it to the attention of the officiating crew-- duh. You know, act like an adult.

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

I could bury you in your own quotes, piss on it with links to actual fuck ups related to Miami players, and walk away whistling "We are the boys"....but honestly, your side of the conversation simply isn't up to the effort.

Then do it. Good luck, but I think you might find yourself proven quite wrong in the process. What you are really saying is I am too lazy and afraid to find out for myself god forbid I might actually be wrong. I can't find records of arrests that never happened so the onus is on you.

"bring it to the attention of the officiating crew-- duh. You know, act like an adult. "


It was beyond the officiating crew being able to do anything. You should know how a 100+ person brawl is.

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

Sorry, but I was wrong about one thing. The 18% graduation rate was for the SEC as a conference(as seen during a football game on TV, all the data I find online is highly conflicting). I don't know what Florida's is, and in searching I have found conflicting data with one source going as high as 80% and another as low as 47.

We're talking football, so why bring Hockey into this?

Because it is in fact relevant that a sport in which fully mature adults fight on a daily occurrence and it isn't a big deal and there is one fight in college football among 18-24 year olds and it is a big deal. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Georgia get into some huge brawl that very same year? (I really could be wrong.)

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Sorry, Axl. I'll step back and stick to the topic.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I don't believe UGA was in a brawl, they only celebrated like a mob of preschoolers when they scored against UF True story. What does fall to your statement is the huge brawl between an SEC school (USCe) and an ACC school (CLEM) a few years back

Can you link your graduation rate information? I'd be curious how they are treating players who go pro early (typically counts as NOT graduating as opposed to being left out of the calculation), players who come back and graduate after their eligibility is up (some players do this in basketball or football), and if there is similar information on other schools..like Miami.


Actually, scratch that - did some google myself (still would like to know your source). Best I could find was 2008 information:


What are the college football graduation rates?
November 1, 2008

The Graduation Success Rate measures how many players earned a four-year degree within a six-year window, accounting for both transfers into the footabll program as well as transfers out of the football program.

1. Notre Dame 94%
2. Stanford 93
T3. BC 92
T3. Duke 92
T3. Northwestern 92
6. Vanderbilt 91
7. Wake Forest 83
8. Texas Tech 79
T9. Baylor 78
T9. Nebraska 78
T9. UNC 78
T9. Penn State 78
T13. UConn 77
T13. Indiana 77
T15. Colorado 75
T15. Iowa 75
T15. Syracuse 75
T15. Virginia Tech 75
19. Cincinnati 73
T20. Illinois 70
T20. Michigan 70
T20. Miami 70
T20. Rutgers 70
24. Florida State 69
T25. Clemson 68
T25. Florida 68
T25. Maryland 68
T25. Wash State 68
.........................................
T29. Kansas State 67
T29. Pitt 67
31. Virginia 66
T32. South Carolina 65
T32. Washington 65
T34. Oregon State 64
T34. Ole Miss 63
T34. Miss State 63
T34. Purdue 63
T34. West Virginia 63
T34. Wisconsin 63
T40. Okla State 62
T40. UCLA 62
42. Arizona State 60
T43. N.C. State 59
T43. Missouri 59
45. Louisville 58
46. Auburn 57
T47. Kentucky 56
T47. Texas A&M 56
T47. South Florida 56
T50. Alabama 55
T50. Iowa State 55
T52. LSU 54
T52. Tennessee 54
T52. USC 54
T55. Cal 53
T55. Oregon 53
T55. Kansas 53
58. Ohio State 52
T58. Arkansas 52
T60. Minnesota 51
T60. Michigan State 51
62. Texas 50
T63. Georgia 48
T63. Georgia Tech 48
65. Oklahoma 46
66. Arizona 41



And conference avgs:
1. ACC........72.3
2. Big East...67.4
3. Big Ten....66
4. Big 12.....63.2
5. Pac-10.....61.3
6. SEC.........60.5

The link references this data being released by NCAA.org, but I can't find anything more recent on that site...or even this info on that site

It does however reflect Miami at 70% and UF at 68% (got us on that one, barely). And it shows ACC at the top, with the SEC last. The only part I can argue is Miami comes in 6th in their conference, and UF is second behind our only real "Academics First" school (Vandy). But, knowing 9 ACC teams are ahead of UF (including Miami)....I'm not really in a position to argue graduation rates.

If only there were a list of arrest rates j/k, as I can honestly say I haven't heard of UM players getting arrested, even players that have graduated No argument possible from my side, it seems.

 

[Pander Bear]

Sorry, but I was wrong about one thing. The 18% graduation rate was for the SEC as a conference(as seen during a football game on TV, all the data I find online is highly conflicting).

18 percent is horseshit. go to ncaa.org, and search for graduation rates, they have PDFs for every school.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/n...+rate/2008/2008_d1_school_grad_rate_data.html

florida's, for the record, in football alone, is 68-- they're at 87 percent for all their student athletes-- 7 percentage points higher than the student body in toto.

Because it is in fact relevant that a sport in which fully mature adults fight on a daily occurrence and it isn't a big deal and there is one fight in college football among 18-24 year olds and it is a big deal.

Yes, it is a big deal-- fighting is a significant part of hockey's tradition. It isn't in football. I think its hilarious that you think your own team's brawl is acceptable, but that Florida's eye gouging is bad. This is what TLB was talking about when he told you that your logic was full of holes. You're on the U's jock so hard you can't help it, I guess.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Georgia get into some huge brawl that very same year? (I really could be wrong.)

You're wrong-- I'm correcting you. Try to keep your accusations limited to things you can cite, plz.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Subject: Brawl
Related Reading:

College Football Rivalries: The Top Five Bedlam Brawls

1. Auburn vs. Alabama
2. Florida vs. Georgia
3. Harvard vs. Yale
4. Oklahoma vs. Texas
5. USC vs. UCLA

Each includes a thug ranking for each school, cameo fighters, but lacks a year when the fight is referenced Article is dated APR 27, '09....but appears to be fluff, and not really so much related to the subject we're discussing of on field brawls I can't seem to find records of who and when for any point of discussion, other than my memory of that FIU-MIA and USC-CLEM fights

 

[34-dihydroxyphen]

I didn't bother sourcing because of the ridiculous variability between the statistics. In the ones the Miami Herald uses Miami is way at the top. In others it is still up fairly high but not at the top. Same with Florida. Fortunately I corrected myself.


However, I definitely saw the 18% figure on TV at the Miami Duke game last year on ESPNU, so I am not making it up. It's credibility is obviously zero, but hey what does that matter Fox News survives on making up numbers and fudging statistics. I wouldn't be surprised is ESPN did the same.


I never said much about the eye gouging unless I said that I thought it was really weak that Meyer suspended him for one half. That was really lame. While I don't think that fighting in sports is as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be I understand the need to create consequences for actions in order to avoid things from spiraling out of control.

UGA storming the field was what had me confused. Sorry for referencing it as a fight. By the way, I thought that that was totally awesome too and have absolutely no qualm with it. Sports are about fun, and football is all about violence, whether we want to pretend it isn't or not.

Nothing changes the fact that Miami has been one of the cleanest programs in the country for over a decade. The thug U days are over, and have been for a long time. And as I said, the thug U days weren't even as bad as everyone makes them out to be.

 

[Pander Bear]

how many bench clearing brawls did duke get into last year?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

In their debate matches? Plenty. Those Yale guys are pricks.

 

[Ds]

Alabama is going to smash Texas!!!

AWESOME job against Auburn and Florida!!!

Roll Tide!!

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I'm sorry, I just couldn't let this go:

Miami has one of the highest graduation rates in the country for student athletes

Found this today:
Canes are National Champs!

The University of Miami and University of Notre Dame will share the American Football Coaches Association’s 2009 Academic Achievement Award, which is presented by the Touchdown Club of Memphis. Miami and Notre Dame recorded a 100 percent graduation rate for members of its freshman football student-athlete class of 2002.

...

Conference Breakdown: Big 10- 6, Conference USA- 6, ACC- 5, Big East- 5, Big 12- 4, Independents- 3, Mountain West- 3, SEC- 3, MAC- 2, Pac-10- 2, Sun Belt- 1, WAC- 1

3,4 is correct.