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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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Ya I see people spout about 1% yield all the time, but realistically most people are getting way under that.. If swims own extractions are any clue, I fall around .75 or so, up from .5 and lower the first few times
 
I think it has a lot to do with the quality of the root bark, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people are getting 1% or more, especially if you extract the "jungle" alkaloids as well. btw, no need to use swim here.
 
^ He totally just swam, then proceeded to use the word 'I', 5 words later. lol

EDIT: sorry for this useless post.
 
I don't know, it wanst solid, have you ever shaken up those little computer mice or somethig like that with a blue oil and a toy boad and water inside, the blue "ocean" breaks up into tiny bubbles, tolounene's and ethanol/methanol's (it was a mix of both) viscosity are low so it makes sense that there are tiny little bubbles of toloene in the MeOH and EtOH solution, they are just so small they appear as a white cloudiness that distorts light around the edges of the spherical bubles, perhaps my HCl was so electrophilic it attacked the benzene ring and formed a carbocation, relesed an extra H+ and this might have formed some weird shit, I just don't know were that proton would go, primary alcohols like MeOH and EtOH need high temperatures to decompose into water or an alkene with an acid catalyst, could I have some form of oxonium ion?

Perhaps if this happened the p,o[/I-]chloro-tolouene delocalized like a salt in the alcohols? I just dont realy see how that could happen though as the chlorine would take an an extra electron with it and fuck up the aromatic structure, highly unfavorable
 
What? Your HCl would probably not have attacked your toluene, it can happen, but it takes some pretty harsh conditions to do that. But why are you using MeOH/EtOH and toluene for extraction? Sounds like a bad idea. Stick with water and toluene. Much better (and safer) solution to your problem.

Anyway, I dont really understand your question =D
 
yar what he said^ bout your solvents reacting together

I sometimes get a weird soapy/filmy kinda stuff when using toluene with extraction, it never seems to want to separate out very well

Maybe bringing the pH up some more could help out with separation
 
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Yeah, I know that normally tolouene is pretty stable, I was just throwing it out there, The reason I used alcohols was because they seem to get quite as absorbed into the seeds making them fluff up, the first time i did this I got basically just a dough of seed powder. the alcohol permeates it but doesn't seem to swell the fibers as much. but besides the toxicity why is alcohol not a good idea? the acid is not strong enough to catalyze a reaction. And with alcohol you just leave it somewhere dry and it evaporates.
 
Because alcohol is somewhat miscible with toluene and thus youd have some alcohol dissolved in the toluene and vice versa. If you can even make them seperate into 2 phases in the first place. Water and toluene are practically insoluble in eachother. Thus they're excellent solvents for an extraction as they easily seperate into 2 phases/layers.

Besides, water is (practically) free, easy to work with and non-toxic.

Should be your no. 1 choice for DMT extraction.
 
OOPS

spilled some alkaline bark soln. over myself and my father by accident :D Fortunately it was quickly cleaned and did no harm at all..

Does anyone else use saturated salt solution (aka 'brine') to help with separation of pesky emulsions? I find it can make a difference...

Current batch is doing fine, tomorrow going to evap naphtha and freeze precip for the purest fraction =D
 
I didnt find adding NaCl to the alkaline solution made a difference. IME the best you can do is to wait it out for it to seperate completely. One can get impatient, but its worth the waiting time :)
 
Hah well yeah the whole reason I asked is because it seemed to help but then again it could have just been that it settled on its own, but sometimes faster than other times...

I am often impatient with it and separate into two layers and a middle fucked up layer. Since I do everything 2-4 times depending on how well things go I just do the fucked up layers extra together with subsequent extractions.
Today I used some new ideas about basically decanting or separating with a mockup funnel the main part of the volume i.e. if there is more than half a gallon (2,5-3 L) with an apolar layer on top I just try to do a crude separation and next I separate it better and better. Working like that was absolutely much less tiring than it would have been to extract 200 ml at a time (my funnel has a 250 ml volume :( ), I used to work like that but smart solutions seemed to have paid off and now I have a whole liter (quart) of naphtha sitting here to be processed tomorrow! :D I forgot how much bark I started with (like more than a month ago - my acidic solution had been sitting in the freezer) but it may have been like 200g? Maybe I used a little too much naphtha but oh well....
Threw in some old spent water layers so I hope that this will be a big payoff =D
 
Do you lose a significant amount of DMT by evaporating your apolar solvent with a hot plate? Because I've done that pretty often :o
 
I dont think so. As long as its not so hot that the DMT will liquify, I think thats a bit too hot. I evaporate most of the solvent on my water heater and that works fine. Then put it in the freezer to evaporate the last bit. But IME the freeze precipitation doesnt really make a difference. Well, maybe my freezer just isnt cold enough :p

I can surely understand why you would use a hot plate. I mean 1000 ml of naphta for 200 g bark 8o
Must take a while to evaporate that much. Besides, its not too good for the environment man :\
 
Got my kilo of powdered MHRB fresh from Brazil today in the mail. I'm so excited for my first extraction.

I've read some repots of 1%+ yields from the bark from this supplier.
 
Good luck! :)

Well I was really starting to worry about the naphtha heating because DMT vaporizes at 60-80 degrees C and the solvents boiling traject should be around that depending on the exact hydrocarb constituents... When it hit me that that could be the reason of low yields the last time or times I had already reduced till a drinking glass' worth or less - like half...

But after returning from Sweden and taking a look in the freezer its like chockful of white crystals - I'm like raving over here haha! Finally after all the effort a substantial product of probable quality (although quality has never really been the issue even with orange waxy stuff, only a bit). YAY!

Some leftover aqeous phases from last times were also extracted again at higher pH...

Maybe I'll split my next extraction and evap one part with boiling off and let the other just stand in open air, see what the difference in yield is.

And yeah the 1000 ml is crazy I messed it up it seems - lesson to watch it next time.

lovey doveys and whitey lighteys to all of you.

A white christmas already? lol :D
 
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