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The Big & Dandy Ego Death Thread

^And to take it one step further, the 'giving money away' situation would never happen to an appropriately prepared psychonaut because the Universe takes care of its own...

When I trip, I have an understanding that I will be 'shielded' from any intrusive external stimulus, especially if the experience is a deep, cathartic one. It's a matter of mutual trust and respect between the plant/chemical and myself.

Could be delusional, but it's kept me from being molested thus far :)
 
Even if you could, you probably wouldn't think to give someone money. Money is meaningless unless you need to use it for some reason when you're tripping anyway. When I'm tripping, if I was going to give something to someone my first thought would probably be some sort of drug or a random other thing that I thought was awesome, not money. The sight of money pisses me off so I just ignore it entirely, unless I want an ice cream or something.
 
You probably wouldn't think to know what "give" means or what "someone" means or what meaning something means while appropriately in an ego-loss state.
 
adrian89987 said:
You probably wouldn't think to know what "give" means or what "someone" means or what meaning something means while appropriately in an ego-loss state.
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actually, you DEFINITELY wouldnt know, because you dont exist for all intents and purposes.

i was merely referring to how i feel about money when im tripping, at least usually.
 
adrian89987 said:
You probably wouldn't think to know what "give" means or what "someone" means or what meaning something means while appropriately in an ego-loss state.
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Haha that's very similar to a quote of mine, that I used to explain ego loss to a friend of mine. Too similar for me to wast my time repeating it haha.
 
adrian89987 said:
You probably wouldn't think to know what "give" means or what "someone" means or what meaning something means while appropriately in an ego-loss state.
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This.

It gets to the point where everything is just energy and all you can do is float around in it.
 
I died on Hawaiian mushrooms, collapse, wake up and feel like I was creating my reality, collapse again and wake up sober but I had forgot all my trip, included that I ate mushrooms this afternoon. I saw my friends, didn't understand what they were doing in my home and thought I was in a dream. Then, a few minutes later I suddenly remember all my trip and said woah ;)

I had other transcendental experiences but this was the only time I really thought I had died.
 
Raw Evil said:
If they were capable of talking to another person, I would imagine they hadn't fully experienced it.
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Why would ego-loss affect your ability to speak?

If you lose your ego don't you believe that you are at one with the universe and everyone in it? If so why wouldn't you then choose to share your wealth with everyone?

Incidentally - if ego-loss is worth anything at all then surely it lasts after the trip? In which case you could give away all your money after you come down.
 
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what complete ego loss is. It is when you lose the concept of self.

The concept of "I" no longer exists. You are not aware that you are alive or what being alive even means. You can't even tell who or what your are let alone speak.

It has nothing to do with having the need to give away all your money or anything like that not to say that some people don't come to such a conclusion after a powerful trip.
 
Ismene said:
Why would ego-loss affect your ability to speak?

If you lose your ego don't you believe that you are at one with the universe and everyone in it? If so why wouldn't you then choose to share your wealth with everyone?

Incidentally - if ego-loss is worth anything at all then surely it lasts after the trip? In which case you could give away all your money after you come down.
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I hate to say this shit, but you must not have experienced the state. Essentially, hallucinations are all that you are/experience/see/feel/am- but during this, you are not aware that there is any other state, or even THAT state; you just feel it, in whatever way our bodies can experiecne that state.

Its almost entirely dependant on having consumed a drug; hence, when the ego-less state subsides, your not going to give away all your money; it doesn't make you insane. Its a temporary state in which the normal reference point for human awareness- the I- is either not present or unable to conduct itself in a way that we consider "normal".

I don't understand why you, Issy, always bring these matters down to material thiongs like money- really, whats your point? Feeling at one with the universe- as said, a temporary state- generally means that YOU are not present to "give away" you money- in fact, YOU as YOU know it don't HAVE money.

Speaking is an inherent ability of the self-aware human. Take away SELF awaer, and just keep the awareness, and there is nothing to speak about. As in, nothing- the quality of no-thing. How do you talk about something that isn't even happening, to you, ever?
 
Obviously.

Otherwise he wouldnt have said "my" ego melted and "I" am a new person.
 
I think it should be called having your ego go on vacation...seems so much more pleasant.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what complete ego loss is. It is when you lose the concept of self.

The concept of "I" no longer exists. You are not aware that you are alive or what being alive even means. You can't even tell who or what your are let alone speak.

It has nothing to do with having the need to give away all your money or anything like that not to say that some people don't come to such a conclusion after a powerful trip.
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True, I've NEVER taken a psychedelic drug and not known who I was. That's one of the fundamental properties of psychedelics. You ALWAYS know who you are not matter how intense the trip is. That's why drugs like LSD and Psilocybin could be used in a medical context whereas deleriants such as Datura can't.

I don't understand why you, Issy, always bring these matters down to material thiongs like money- really, whats your point? Feeling at one with the universe- as said, a temporary state- generally means that YOU are not present to "give away" you money- in fact, YOU as YOU know it don't HAVE money.

I bring the claim of "ego-loss" down to something concrete like money because otherwise it's a meaningless statement. It's easy to claim "I experienced ego-loss". I'm saying if someone came up to you in your "ego-less" state and said "Give me your cash card and pin number" you'd still have enough ego to know not to give it to them. Are you saying you'd hand over your credit card and pin?

And if people are saying it's a state where they don't know who they are then I'm calling bullshit on that for sure - psychedelics simply don't have that effect. That's why Hoffman thought LSD could be so valuable - because you always know who you are when under it's influence.
 
I call bullshit to your calling bullshit then...in my experience at least psychedelics are most definitely capable of having that effect.

And no losing my credit cards and money etc. would not bother me in the least while in that state...Though they would simply have to be removed from my pockets as I would not realize what a person is or what asking me for something is...much less what giving something to someone is.
 
^because you havent experienced the effect of losing yourself (ego-loss/death) while on psychedelics does not mean it doesnt exist.

Myself and many others have had experiences where all we know as "I" disolved and was merged with the Everything, the One.
In that state i had no awareness of myself as Delsyd. All that existed was existance, with no ego to filter it and add biases.

If you are aware of yourself i dont think that is really ego-loss.

Im not denying that you havent felt a connection to the universal consiousness or had incredibly strong psychedelic experiences.
But its foolish to deny that others havent experienced the losing of self (ego) just because you havent.
 
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