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i'm not judging, but isnt this more suited for DC?

and the reason i did heroin was for the lulz. i knew exactly what was coming down the road, and still went for it. its just a matter of taking responsibility for its potential consequences.
 
IMO, "minor experiments" with crack consist of hitting the pipe. And IME, that's more than enough to get the ol' fiending ball rolling.

my last "minor experiment" with it involved me freestyle rapping in front of a bunch of crackheads. i have no desire to repeat the experience, but i guess i busted out some pretty choice lines.
 
I have much worse problems with k than I've ever had with heroin. Not used crack more than the most minor of experiments.

I had a much worse problem with heroin than K, but if you don't mind me asking, what problems have you had with K? Was it like a psychological and/or physical dependency? Was it more like side effects, or was it just like an addiction?

I've met people who found K MUCH more addictive than opiates too though, so it's understandable. K has an intense body high + dissociative effect + OEV/CEV bombardment. I can definitely understand how K can be more problematic than opiates, but by far for myself Heroin is what I got addicted to.


i'm not judging, but isnt this more suited for DC?

and the reason i did heroin was for the lulz. i knew exactly what was coming down the road, and still went for it. its just a matter of taking responsibility for its potential consequences.

Were you also addicted to H, or did you just use it to see what it's like? What was that whole experience like for you?

It probably is more suited for DC but I thought I'd have my 2 cents before moving it.

The IV MDA thread also probably belongs in PD but oh well.

IMO, "minor experiments" with crack consist of hitting the pipe. And IME, that's more than enough to get the ol' fiending ball rolling.

Not for me, crack is some worthless shit IMO. You're like OMG I'm... was I high? Definitely for 5 minutes or less, but where did it go?

Drugs without legs are like drops in the bucket to me.

If there was such a thing as Crack XR... but nope.

I found cocaine much more desirable, and I didn't even have a problem when I tried shooting it a few times and snorting it a lot more. I just don't find stimulants to be that addictive - after using a stimulant once, I'm somewhat put off from using/reusing/getting hooked to it.

Plus, I crashed the whole next day after trying crack...what a long hangover for such a little high. Totally not worth it.
 
I hate the phrasing of this question as if addiction is an inevitability... FAR from it. About 24% of people who try heroin eventually meet criteria for addiction and with cocaine its about 16%, I imagine crack is quite similar, maybe a little higher.

People use drugs for lots of reasons... Some self-medicate, some are looking for pleasure, some believe they have enough self-control, some are curious and lots and lots of other reasons.

Things are never just black and white.
 
People usually don't go into it thinking they'll become addicts. Many think it won't happen to them, and I guess some just don't think about it at all

People use because it feels damn good. Some have a fine life and do it just for fun. Some can keep it as just an occasional fun, but eventually one will decide to indulge just a bit more, maybe from once a month to once a week, then indulge a bit more, and eventually you get to the point where you've indulged frequently enough you need to use every day just so you don't feel like shit

At this point, some people quit, and some people will keep using to not feel shitty and to feel damn good again

However, some people do use it as a crutch. Some use it to cope with certain things in their life. They're depressed because they were dumped/loss of a family member/whatever, and then begin to associate happiness with being high and sadness with sobriety, and it's hard to escape that mentality

Some people also self medicate too. For example, I know some bipolar people tend to use to cope with the lows

Point is, addiction is far from a simple matter. No one goes into drugs wanting to become an addict, most think it's something that happens to everyone else, but they have enough willpower to avoid it.

And there's no nice clear line between addicted and not addicted. It's a gradual process, and there's usually not a crystal clear moment when someone goes from just using/abusing to addicted, it's a gradual process. Like I said, it's a very complicated thing

Sorry if I ranted/didn't make sense. Tried Adderall for the 2nd or 3rd time (and had a Call of Duty marathon)
 
Were you also addicted to H, or did you just use it to see what it's like? What was that whole experience like for you?

It probably is more suited for DC but I thought I'd have my 2 cents before moving it.

The IV MDA thread also probably belongs in PD but oh well.

I was pretty addicted, probably doing 1/2 a gram to a gram a day IV when I could afford it. I've only been off the stuff for a couple months, and while I don't regret my time doing it, I'm glad to be done with it.
 
I hate the phrasing of this question as if addiction is an inevitability... FAR from it. About 24% of people who try heroin eventually meet criteria for addiction and with cocaine its about 16%, I imagine crack is quite similar, maybe a little higher.

Very interesting, do you have a source for this? :)
 
Why does one start using heroin or crack KNOWING what is coming for them down the pike?


Personally I was already addicted to lesser Opiates (for the exact same reason coming up), and as mentioned, mine was self-medication for Depression and the associated Syndromes that usually are co-existent with it (Anxiety of many forms, pain without any physical reason) and the ability to escape from it all. So yes, self-medication & escapism.

And I don't think you offended anyone :) If anyone was offended then I guess it's their problem.
I didn't see any insulting wording myself.
 
I started using methamphetamine, thinking I could keep it in moderation. I was wrong.
 
The first fish to start flying out of the water became a flying fish, then a bird, then a mammal... then a human... and its parents were worried because it wasn't doing the regular fish things.

That is you answer.

Call me Jimi Hendrix.
 
Heroin users are at high risk for addiction—it is estimated that about 23 percent of individuals who use heroin become dependent on it. SOURCE (National Institute on Drug Abuse)

These numbers are a little different than what I quoted as the numbers I used originally were from a textbook. Regardless of precise figures (which will vary based on criteria for dependence/addiction), my point that seeing addiction as an inevitability is fallacious remains consistent with the data.

According to large Government surveys of alcohol users, only about 15 percent are regular. dependent drinkers. Among cocaine users, about 8 percent become dependent. For cigarettes, the percentage is reversed. About 90 percent of smokers are persistent daily users, and 55 percent become dependent by official American Psychiatric Association criteria, according to a study by Dr. Naomi Breslau of the Henry Ford Health Sciences Center in Detroit. Only 10 percent are occasional users. SOURCE (NY Times from '94- "The Relative Addictiveness of Drugs")
 
I hate the phrasing of this question as if addiction is an inevitability... FAR from it. About 24% of people who try heroin eventually meet criteria for addiction and with cocaine its about 16%, I imagine crack is quite similar, maybe a little higher.

People use drugs for lots of reasons... Some self-medicate, some are looking for pleasure, some believe they have enough self-control, some are curious and lots and lots of other reasons.

Things are never just black and white.

I would agree with your percentages. That sounds about right.

I have met plenty of people who didn't get addicted to H but they loved it just the same.
 
I didn't mean anything by the question or the phrasing of it. I was just interested in how people would respond. Sorry if I offended anyone.

I certainly wasn't offended, though I suppose I can't speak for everyone else. It's a hard question to phrase without some interpreting it as negative, I get that. Hope you gained some knowledge, cause that's what Bluelight is here for!

But of course this thread can't give you the complete definitive answers. Addiction is a very complex issue that some study their entire professional lives, and some deal with it their entire lives.
 
^exactly, its hugely complex and most people who claim to truly understand addiction either have a very limited perspective, are driven by some sort of ideology or have truly dedicated their life to understanding it.

I've met a lot of addicts and I've been studying addiction counseling for about 18 months but I would never claim true understanding... I am TRYING to understand and because its so complex and subjective, real understanding is elusive and quite difficult to come by.
 
Why does one take a sip of beer when he knows he will drink the whole can? After that can, he will drink another, and another. Alcohol becomes boring after a while, and he tries marijuana. But then again, after a while, it becomes boring. He begins mixing the two for a while, but again, the fun is lost after a short while. He then seeks out other drugs, such as ecstasy, oxy's, or maybe even cocaine. The oxy's don't hit as hard anymore, because he grew up a tolerance to them, and they're expensive. He hears about heroin, a much cheaper and powerful drug. This drug will make using opiates easier for him, and therefore, uses this drug.

It's not about why would someone use heroin or crack, but why would someone take that first sip of beer or smoke that first bowl? What's the point of smoking cigarettes? You'll never know, until you become a smoker. Then it's too late.
 
^that's one path, perhaps even a common one but it oversimplifies the issue. A lot more plays into it than that.
 
EDIT: To JasonSmith

I dunno, I think that's way too oversimplified. It seems like you're saying if you try it once you always have to keep going up the "drug ladder", for no other reason than that's simply what must be done

Like I said, oversimplified to the point where you aren't even connecting each link in the chain, and instead just adding in a "because" (not like transitioning into an explanation, but in the way someone would use it as an answer to the question 'why')
 
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