toxicity data almost...
What is wierd is that those people who have reported severe reactions had taken it previously at high doses without adverse effects. which inspired me to look into the likely metabolites
We know little about the metabolism of 4-mmc, I would expect that the metabolites will be the betahydroxy compound (paramethyl ephedrine) the N-demethylated betahydroxy compound (paramethylnorephedrine) more on these later...
and to a lesser extent the metabolites from P450 oxidation of the 4-methyl position;- the hydroxymethyl (benzyl alcohol) and the carboxylic acid this seems more common with the more lipophillic cathinones. all water soluble and so elimination is going to be renal, with limited amounts in other fluids.
I think that the metabolites rather than the drug itself will provide the answer to the toxicity.
the betahydroxy compounds are almost certainly the primary metabolites of mephedrone, and these are known compounds with toxicity data:
ed betahydroxy compound (paramethylnorephedrine) more on these later...
and to a lesser extent the metabolites from P450 oxidation of the 4-methyl position;- the hydroxymethyl (benzyl alcohol) and the carboxylic acid. all water soluble and so elimination is going to be renal, with limited amounts in other fluids.
I think that the metabolites rather than the drug itself will provide the answer to the toxicity.
the betahydroxy compounds are almost certainly the primary metabolites of mephedrone, and these are known compounds with toxicity data:
the primary metabolite paramethyl ephedrine is compound II in the paper below and is 3.4x more toxic than ephedrine in guinea pigs or 2.27 x more toxic than ephedrine in rabbits
Quote:A survey of the toxicities reveals no parallelism between the two methods
of determination. There is, however, a remarkable regularity of increase
in the toxicity on intravenous administration of the phenylalkanolamines
with increase in length of the side chain. Another striking fact is the much
greater toxicity of the p-tolyl derivatives (I11 and V) as compared with the
corresponding phenyl products (I1 and IV), which lends support to the
observation of de Burnaga Sanchez'O that p-methylephedrine is about 20%
more toxic than ephedrine.
asuming that this metabolite s the primary metabolite,
working from the sc guinea pig LD50 of 175mg/kg using the standard conversion of divide mg/kg by 4 to go from guinea pig to human gives 44mg/kg for this metabolite as the LD50 for humans. an estimate of around 3.3 g for 75kg body weight. people with idiosyncratic metabolism or are taking caffeine as well will die at lower doses.
we know that vanilla cathinone has central half life of 1.5 hrs or so, and that the beta hydroxy compound cathine has a much longer half life 5 hrs or so , extrapolating this to 4-mmc would seem to suggest that repeated redosing of 4-mmc raises the levels of the betahydroxy metabolite, even though plasma levels of 4-mmc do not significantly rise above the initial peak. the longer the redosing continues the more this metabolite accumulates.
4-mmc is also a chiral molecule, unlike ordinary methcathinone it is a mixture of enantiomers, as it is made from 4-methylpropiophenone rather than a chiral precusor. with other cathinones both enantiomers have cardiac activity but only one has significant mental effects. the other enantiomer in 4-mmc is not contributing to the central effects but it is causing cardiovascular effects.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1884326
people are taking grams of a drug that metabolises to an ephedrine like compound, a compound that is considerably more toxic than ephedrine in animal models and a metabolite which likely has a much longer half life than 4-mmc, and we wonder why there are problems. the interesting thing is not that there are problems is that they are relatively infequent.
the vendors should have pulled this stuff when adverse effects were first apparent, but they don't give a fuck as long as the money rolls in.
they should also do their homework properly, I got all this with an hour of googling.
I should be a due dilligence consultant, my standard rate is 2K USD per day
please be careful with this stuff, used in moderation it is probably reasonably safe perhaps no worse than methcathinone itself.
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