How Strong an Opioid Antagonist is Panax Ginseng

[Gaz_hmmmm]

How strong an antigonist is it?

Say I was to take my normal 25ml of methadone and then some panax (I'm correct in thinking this is Korean Ginseng) ginseng that it won't knock the the meth' off the receptors will it?

But if I take the Panax Ginseng the next day and skip the methadone will this induce withdrawl?

Also does anyone know what standardised ginseng dose is best to use when using it for it's opioid antagonist properties?

Thx,
Gaz

 

[gravitymonk]

FYI: Panax ginseng isn't Korean ginseng. Korean ginseng is Eleutherococcus senticosus. They feel a little different to me.

 

[daddysgone]

whatever antagonistic effect it may have will be extremely minimal, to the point of not being noticeable. There is just no way that panax ginseng is going to rip methadone of your receptors.-DG

 

[acetylcholine]

Korean ginseng is Eleutherococcus senticosus.

Siberian Ginseng is Eleutherococcus. Korean is plain old Panax. Eleuthero is nowadays generally never marketed as anything-Ginseng.

 

[seep]

Siberian Ginseng is Eleutherococcus. Korean is plain old Panax. Eleuthero is nowadays generally never marketed as anything-Ginseng.

A lot of not-so-old reference texts conflate them. For example, the 2nd edition of the PDR for Herbal Medicines (2000) states that "American Ginseng" and "Siberian Ginseng" are trade names for Panax Ginseng, and then goes on to confuse notoginseng with ginseng. Right there that's P. quinquefolius, P. ginseng, P. pseudoginseng and Eleutherococcus senticosus (the last of these not even being of the same genus) represented as one plant.

Who knows how much misinformation is out there? Probably best to first determine whether or not any given claim comes from a source that at least knows which species it's talking about.

Edit: I love this quote, from the CRC Handbook, where the editor mocks the general concept of an herbal adaptogen:

My speculation is even stronger. The homeostatic human body is able to selectively sequester
needed compounds from the homeostatic plant and, to an extent, exclude the unneeded compounds.
Thus the hypotensive human who coevolved with ginseng might selectively use the needed hypertensive
ginsenoside, while the hypertensive human might adaptogenically sequester the hypotensive
ginsenoside. Something for whatever ails you. Remember, this herb, like all herbs contains all the
compounds essential for plant life, and many of those essential for human life. Carrots are considerably
cheaper.

 

[negrogesic]

Not very....