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NEWS : 16.11.09 - Ex-minister backs illegal drug regulation

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Ex-minister backs illegal drug regulation

By Brendan Trembath for PM

Posted November 16, 2009 19:02:00

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Former Fraser government minister Peter Baume has endorsed an international report which proposes regulating illegal drugs in the same way as pharmaceuticals.

Professor Baume says prohibition has not worked and is only putting tax-free money into the hands of criminals.

Professor Baume spent 17 years in the Australian Parliament. During the Fraser government he was the minister for health, the minister for Aboriginal affairs and the minister for education.

After politics he became the ninth chancellor of the Australian National University.

This morning he endorsed a report - by the Australian Drug Law Reform Foundation - which showed how to regulate all the drugs which are currently illegal.

Professor Baume says prohibited drugs could be regulated by governments the same way as pharmaceuticals.

"At the moment you're getting corruption, diversion of money," he said.

"Prohibition isn't working; the Americans dismissed prohibition of alcohol because it didn't work. Why do they think prohibition of illicit drugs will work any better?"

Decriminalising drugs

Professor Baume says several countries are decriminalising the possession of drugs.

"Take Holland for a good example. There isn't a massive drug problem in Holland and the roof hasn't fallen in because they've done that," he said.

"We want our schools and our communities to be safe for our kids and our families and at the moment we're not going about it very well."

Holland is well known for its marijuana cafes, were people can drop in and buy an amount of any type of marijuana, much like buying a cup of coffee.

Professor Baume says he does not know if such cafes work or not.

"What I would like to see is that we have strict regulations - no sales to juniors - the same as tobacco," he said.

"And I know tobacco's harmful, but I look at tobacco and I look at cannabis and I think, which is worse at the present time?

"Which of the arrangements we've got are better and which are worse? And honestly I think we could do better than we're doing."

Professor Baume says he knows some groups will oppose his softer approach to drug possession.

"The criminals won't want a bar of it and they never have because they're doing very nicely out of the present system," he said.

"The people who are winning from the present system won't want any change. Zealots and warriors won't want any change.

"The first thing we've got to do is get a good debate going. I mean there are millions of different ways of organising things. Let's have a debate about which is the best."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/16/2744379.htm
 
^ I won't either, but 20 years ago anybody who said that kind of thing would have been considered crazy. The fact that people are coming out with 'hey, maybe we need to reconsider this' more and more frequantly as time goes by is a good sign, imo.
 
This is a country that is too politically conservative to legalize gay marriage or euthanasia despite massive public support for both, I can't see a point in time in which we legalize something that has little support outside academics and the drug using community.
 
This is a country that is too politically conservative to legalize gay marriage or euthanasia despite massive public support for both, I can't see a point in time in which we legalize something that has little support outside academics and the drug using community.

A little less important than what you mention, but to strengthen how ridiculous our government is, we can't even get an 18+ rating for video games despite massive public support. When I think about this my hope for even cannabis to be legalised in my lifetime all go out the window.
 
^ Well that's due to the stupid way the OFLC works and one dick who stands in the way, even though all the other Attorneys-General say it's ok.

But you have to have hope...
 
Without hope it definitely won't happen ever. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but wouldn't it be nice if we helped caused it in some one elses.
 
America has taken the first step with a medical marijuana cafe in Portland where members pay $25 a month and can go to this cafe everyday and smoke as much as they can for FREE ... YES FOR FREE .. I know someone who lives there and is a member of the cafe.

I say medicinal be given a first thought as I would rather the people that really need it to have some comfort from their sickness or illness.

And Us stoners can wait a little longer for it to be legal ...
 
i hope to fucking god we don't have those stupid cafes in Australia.

This country has enough of a problem with drunk drivers let alone stoned ones. I've said before, the regulation of drugs, prescription only, proscribed by your local GP only after you completed regular mental & physical health checks. Private use only, not on the street. Only government is able to produce and sell the drugs (revenue neutral model only), at government owned and run dispensaries.
 
So why would a pollie stick his neck out for your average addict?

It's a huge industry for the legal system, not to mention the effect it would have on the alcohol industry......who wants to fuck that up just so that the consumer can get a quality product at a reasonable price without shitting themselves?

Never gunna happen.
 
So why would a pollie stick his neck out for your average addict?

It's a huge industry for the legal system, not to mention the effect it would have on the alcohol industry......who wants to fuck that up just so that the consumer can get a quality product at a reasonable price without shitting themselves?

Never gunna happen.

This is a good argument and it surfaces during most talks on this subject

There's a lot of money to be made through prohibition from production to distribution to the legal system that fights for your ass when you're busted (i'll bet there wouldn't be so many lawyers driving top end cars if drugs were legal)

I have to disagree slightly with effect on the alcohol industry though

It has been proven time and time again that legalization doesn't cause higher use. If anything, it causes less and safer drug use

A large percentage of drug users can get any drug they like and still, they drink alcohol. I can't see this changing much, if at all.

Go to a big doof that's flooded with with all sorts of drugs and still you see (over priced) alcohol being used all over the place. Drinking is deeply entrenched in our culture and many others around the globe

I'm sure greedy alcohol companies would want a legal piece of the drug trade pie and maybe expand their businesses to incorporate this

The government is missing out on billions in revenue by keeping drugs illegal

Billions that will always be spent on drugs no matter what they do to stop it.

They are slowly wising up to this and there could very well be major changes to drug laws internationally in years to come. in fact, it's already happening

America currently needs all the revenue they can get and we are seeing dramatic changes there due to the economic crisis.

Weed will get you through tough times without money better than money will get you through times without weed ;)

You'd have to be a fool to continue to support the drug war

Why not get all this revenue for the nations use instead of it going to gangs and war lords?

Anyone who uses the argument that "every one would be drugged to the eye balls if we legalized etc." is completely full of it

There will always be a percentage of people who will over do things. Ending prohibition wont lead to masses of drug fucked junkies lining our streets. Most of us like our lives as they are and only indulge for pleasure, not self destructive purposes.

I'm sure most of us have a stash, be it big or small, that we dip into at the right times, not all the time. Just like having legal alcohol in the cupboard doesn't mean we will drink all day because it's there and legal.

That's my 2 cents

Psilo
 
i hope to fucking god we don't have those stupid cafes in Australia.

This country has enough of a problem with drunk drivers let alone stoned ones. I've said before, the regulation of drugs, prescription only, proscribed by your local GP only after you completed regular mental & physical health checks. Private use only, not on the street. Only government is able to produce and sell the drugs (revenue neutral model only), at government owned and run dispensaries.

However there will still be illegal drugs around, they will just all be knocked off from chemists..
 
Various illicit substances will be regulated in the future there is no doubt about that, but legalising on the other hand I could never see happen :p
 
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