Is epistane a good choice for a first timer?

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enkephalin1985

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Hey guys -

I have never used any kind of steroid but have done some reading on them the past few weeks and was considering doing an epistane cycle. Perhaps a 20/20/30/30 and using Nolvadex 120/90/60/30 for a PCT.

I am mainly looking for something that will help me bulk up/increase in size.

My questions are:

1. Is Epistane a good choice for a first timer? (I lift occasionally, but have been physically active and an athlete my whole life (division 2 tennis player w00t) Also, I don't really have access to anything that is illegal in the U.S., only what I can order off the net.

2. What are some important things I need to know, such as a PCT. Will Nolvadex be sufficient or should I throw in some Clomid?

3. What are the effects/side effects of doing a cycle of epistane? I am a very experienced recreational (ex)-drug user and was curious as to the psychological/physical/emotional effects that typically occur. Any kind of depression or anxiety? (I would hate to relapse).

4. What are the post-cycle effects? I heard there is a bit of a crash that occurs after the cycle, does this involve decreased libido, less energy, depression?

5. I hear it causes some liver damage. I was a heroin addict for over 2 years and drink a few drinks daily. Both of which have caused a little, but not too much damage to my liver. Do I need to stop drinking while on epistane?

6. Currently my workout is only around 30-40 minutes 5x a week. Should I increase this during my cycle?

My stats:

Age: 24
Gender: Male
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 185lbs
Build: Skinny and lanky (broad shoulders and long limbs is where most of that weight is coming from right now)

Anything else a newb needs to know would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
You are skinny as hell. You need to eat more if you want to bulk up, not take an anabolic. Eat, bust your ass in the gym, and think about aas in a year or so if you put on some decent weight without them. You are nowhere near your natural potential. AND YOU SHOULD NEVER DRINK ON ORALS. CUT THE DRINKING, I cannot take you seriously when you say you have a couple drinks a day. It's almost like a morbidly obese person who eats fast food every day going on speed to loose weight. You catch my drift?
 
Yeah, I know I'm a little on the skinny side. Part of the reason was the dope addiction from ages 19-22, a prime time when most my friends started getting bigger naturally.

A big reason why I was considering this, is I wanted to gain a lot of the weight I lost/would have gained during those years. I've tried eating a ton, which I do, protein shakes, working out, all that jazz, with very limited results and feel like at age 24, my body has stopped naturally growing. Its a very steep uphill climb for me to put on any new weight or muscle which is what drew me to AAS. And yes, I would cut out the drinking, which is why I asked if it was OK or not.
 
you could seriously get to 200 pretty easily i would think at 6'3. im 6'2 247. ive done a few cycles but i cut from 225 to 170(fat to skinny no muscle) to my weight of 247 as of now(mind you i could def use a cut, but im not some fat slob lmao). DEF do not drink on an oral cycle. its methylated, and you dont want to stress your liver out more with alcohol.

on the other hand, epi is a great first timer. i think your nolva dose could come down quite a bit imo.
2. nolva will do just fine
3. you should feel fine during your cycle. my first cycle was a mild oral only cycle and it actually made me feel euphoric/high for about 3 weeks of my 4 week run.
your liver will be fine, just DONT DRINK
i experienced a crash post cycle just only on w my first cycle tho, makes you feel lazy/mild depression for a week or 2 till your body rebalances its hormones. (i havnt experienced a crash from other cycles)
5 times a week for 30-40 mins? whats your split look like?
i only workout 3-4 times a week 1-1.5 hours at a time
libido should go up first 2 weeks on epi then level out, post cycle your friend will be fine. lol. (remember everything affects people differently, this is just how it effected me)

if you do end up running it and not waiting, make sure you eat ALOT. im sure you could double what your eating now. troube gaining ANY weight? try making meals more dirty. throw in some damn fast food for a meal once in a while. you gotta eat BIG to grow. diet is 85 percent of bodybuilding
 
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There can be depression and loss of libido post cycle so if you have a history of mental problems it may be worth noting.

You shouldn't use steroids if you can't gain weight naturally- it just proves you can't diet correctly. Even if you do build some muscle if your diet isn't up to scratch you will just lose it all.
 
epistane is perfect for a first timer...the pct is more than sufficient...expect massive strength gains and painful joints.
 
Yeah I'd drop the Nolva dose a bit (unless your really prone to rebound sides). 60/40/20/20 is more than sufficent. If you notice any estrogen sides coming on during PCT you can up the dose a bit.

And alcohol is a definete no-no.

As for your training it would be interesting to see a breakdown. If your having trouble gaining weight the cutting back on the ammount of time your at the gym might be beneficial. However when on a cycle recovery should be much better so you could slightly increase the ammount of time spent at the gym but only if your diet has enough calories to cover the extra expenditure in the gym.

You should really try and work out how much you need to eat to start seeing weight increases (without adding too much fat).
 
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i really think the serm dose could be 40/40/20/20. i dont think theres a need for 60
 
Tdaddy said:
i really think the serm dose could be 40/40/20/20. i dont think theres a need for 60
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I agree, especially that there will be no estrogen in his body at all at the end of the cycle. Clomid would be MUCH MUCH BETTER for this PCT.
 
your nolva dosages for PCT are excessive, I recover well with 40mg the first week and 20mg daily for the other 3-5 weeks. As others have said, do NOT drink while taking oral steroids (or any steroids if you want to get real about your body).

Epistane was the first hormonal product I ever tried, and I also now stack it when on a test cycle or other things. It does not cause much weight gain, but you will get stronger.

Nolva and Clomid have a few differences, please ask people to post studies before taking anyone at their word as far as one being flat out 'better'.
I prefer Nolva because it works for me and it's dirt cheap, plus has a positive impact on cholesterol values in the liver.
Some people say Clomid helps their semen volume increase faster and 'feel' recovered more quickly, while others complain it makes them emotional.
 
Tdaddy said:
its methylated, and you dont want to stress your liver out more with alcohol.
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I wouldn't recommend any prohormone but I understand the legal issues etc. Epi is not 17aa - that's what you need to note for liver damage, epi does not carry that risk. Is real gear not available in your area? Honestly, you will gain, if you use it, diet well and sleep well. You will also do that without using it.
 
theartofwar said:
I wouldn't recommend any prohormone but I understand the legal issues etc. Epi is not 17aa - that's what you need to note for liver damage, epi does not carry that risk. Is real gear not available in your area? Honestly, you will gain, if you use it, diet well and sleep well. You will also do that without using it.
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epistane most certainly does carry that risk, it's methylated. I have a bottle sitting in front of me.
 
Yes. Havoc/epistane is sooooo mild...you really don't even need a pct....but it's always wise...

Here's how you run epistane..

-buy 2 bottles
-take 2-4 pills every day to assess tolerance and find a good dose (40mgs is usually optimal)
-you wont feel any strength gains until 3-4 weeks in so running it 4 weeks is a waste of money
 
theartofwar said:
sorry bud I read the chem compound wrong, thanks for heads up. It does seem real easy going as methyls go though huh ?
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yeah it's pretty mild all around, a lot of people like it for bang for the buck vs. winny and var. I'm stacking it with Dbol right now just to add a little extra oomph without getting too wet (with test of course)
 
bighooter said:
is epistane stronger/more anabolic/better than deca durabolin?
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god damnit bighooter...I swear if you weren't my net homie I'd have you banned :!...

No epistane is a designer steroid...

How is your cycle going? Post some pics in our picture thread..
 
NightWanderer said:
yeah it's pretty mild all around, a lot of people like it for bang for the buck vs. winny and var. I'm stacking it with Dbol right now just to add a little extra oomph without getting too wet (with test of course)
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if it gave me winny or var results at that price I would be sold brother!!! Var is by far my favorite oral, you can run it for months - this is reality of it not saying it's safe to run for months and months - but if you can afford it man.. can you make specific comparisons to it compared to winstrol and var so I can have a better idea of the benefits.
 
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