Jabberwocky
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ill merge this into the bupe mega thread, youll probably get some responses in there
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what otc work?.....tried aspirin, motrin does nothing.......would it have been better to taper the norcos as apposed to sub?.......even at .5 for 3 days still be WD?......have 8 yrs clean and want off this stuff.......had to do the norcos for pain but my foot is good now so just looking for the fastest most comfortable way....
immodium works wonders...
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Tapering with heroin, and actually cutting your intake by a whole 2/3rds plus, is impressive and a step in the right direction. Most people find it impossible to taper with their DOC.
Anyways, Suboxone will not be 100% effective the first time you take it. Each concurrent time you take it, the drug is building up in your system. I would say once you have been on Suboxone for a few days to a week or two (but definitely by two weeks) you should get more out of Suboxone.
When I first got on Suboxone, I found I needed 6mg/day, but after a week I had it down to 4mg or 2mg per day.
Best of luck man!
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
If you are about to discontinue Suboxone and have a few morphine pills, it can help. However, I think a long, gradual taper with Suboxone is the best.
Eight0Eight
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Thank GOD!
On my way to the chemist to pick up my subs - I ran into one of my dealers, who gave me a bag on credit.
I find the switch over much easier if I have a bag or two of gear on hand.
Doesn't get you high, just levels you out and takes away the sickness that the bupe doesn't the first day you're on it.
On my way to the chemist to pick up my subs - I ran into one of my dealers, who gave me a bag on credit.
I find the switch over much easier if I have a bag or two of gear on hand.
Doesn't get you high, just levels you out and takes away the sickness that the bupe doesn't the first day you're on it.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Sounds good man. Best of luck with the transition. What dose are you trying this time?
Eight0Eight
Bluelighter
Today I started at around 3am - shooting 1 or 2 0.4mg subutex at a time.
Done 11/4.4mg in total today.
Done 11/4.4mg in total today.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I see. I also agree that breaking up 2 to 4mg over the course of the day in low doses is much more efficient than one large dose once a day.
I recently tapered lower than the taper schedule I posted on here (which involved micron filters which I have yet to get), so I'll update that table when I have time. I now take 0.2mg at a time.
So you only get quick relief with your dose? No high/euphoria? Just double checking. What if you did the H with it?
boxcut3
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Yea tapering with your DOC is not easy at all. The only reason I was able to do it is because I was broke and I knew if I didn't make it last I would get violently sick and have nothing but Subs and a high tolerance. So I just road out the mild W/D's and kept tapering.
I'm going to try doing what you suggested below with the multiple doses instead of 1 big one. The last time I tried a Suboxone induction I was at the doctor's office and they kept dosing me every 2 hours with no relief and they got to 64mg before I walked out the door and scored because after 8- 8mg tablets I knew Suboxone wasn't going to cut it. I think maybe if I start with 4mg and then add 2mg every 2 hours as needed (probably more for day 1 and 2) then hopefully it will go a little more smoothly. I have Clonidine, Odensetron (by the way this works miracles for the nausea), and some weed for the process. I will let everyone know how it goes.
I'm going to start a week from Tuesday when I run out of what's left of the dope I have. Right now I have it rationed out to use one pack twice a day for the next week. I can go 12 hours without using and only need 1-2 packs to get well so I think I will be able to do a Sub induction without needing very much. Prior to tapering the H down, I would use about 3-4 packs every 2-4 hours.
Btw, does Immodium provide any relief other than just anti-diarrheal or does it actually provide some other relief too? The reason I ask is that I've heard Immodium has a similar chemical structure to opiates and I wasn't sure if it helped with other symptoms too.
I'm going to try doing what you suggested below with the multiple doses instead of 1 big one. The last time I tried a Suboxone induction I was at the doctor's office and they kept dosing me every 2 hours with no relief and they got to 64mg before I walked out the door and scored because after 8- 8mg tablets I knew Suboxone wasn't going to cut it. I think maybe if I start with 4mg and then add 2mg every 2 hours as needed (probably more for day 1 and 2) then hopefully it will go a little more smoothly. I have Clonidine, Odensetron (by the way this works miracles for the nausea), and some weed for the process. I will let everyone know how it goes.
I'm going to start a week from Tuesday when I run out of what's left of the dope I have. Right now I have it rationed out to use one pack twice a day for the next week. I can go 12 hours without using and only need 1-2 packs to get well so I think I will be able to do a Sub induction without needing very much. Prior to tapering the H down, I would use about 3-4 packs every 2-4 hours.
Btw, does Immodium provide any relief other than just anti-diarrheal or does it actually provide some other relief too? The reason I ask is that I've heard Immodium has a similar chemical structure to opiates and I wasn't sure if it helped with other symptoms too.
Captain.Heroin I have been following your Sub. taper and its been very helpful to me. I do want to thank you for all you put into this thread. I got into trouble with no one knowing and I'm trying to get out without no one knowing. I am down to 1mg a day of sub. My 6 year habit was 160mgs. OC. I got down to 2mgs. within 2 weeks. 1mg was a little rough every 24 hours but its nothing now. I see your down to .2. Is that like 2/10th of 1mg.??? How long did it take to get there?? Thats really not much. Think you can drop off there??
Again, thank you very much for all you have done in this thread. Me and two buddies are using this as our Narcotics A. meeting place. We are very funtional addicts and no one in our family or work knows of our drug use. If we didn't find this sight years ago we would have been F ked. Because of this site we learned about Suboxen and made sure we stocked up when it was time for this to end.
Again, thank you very much for all you have done in this thread. Me and two buddies are using this as our Narcotics A. meeting place. We are very funtional addicts and no one in our family or work knows of our drug use. If we didn't find this sight years ago we would have been F ked. Because of this site we learned about Suboxen and made sure we stocked up when it was time for this to end.
boxcut 64mg of Subs is crazy. Your body must not accept it. I had a big habit for 6 years and never needed more then 6mgs a day. Man thats got to suck for you. Maybe methadone is the way to go for you. I can't believe the Doctors kept feeding it to you. I'm shocked they tell people to take 3 a day. Good Luck!!!!!
boxcut3
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hey oldhead, well i was on 24mg for a couple years before relapsing and it worked great back then. but then i started chipping on the weekend and using Subs during the week and gradually the weekends became longer and longer until surprise I was using everyday/all-day. So yea, i understand why some people need 3 a day because at that time that's what it took for me to stop getting sick, but yea 64mg is just too much. especially because it barely helped at all so i just felt like, what's the point of getting on Subs if it doesn't curb the W/D. I'm hoping now it will be easier and I won't need anymore than 8mg/day.
Captain.Heroin
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Thanks man, I appreciate when people thank me for the hard work I do here.
I'm personally around 1mg of buprenorphine per day too, it's a good place to be at. I take 0.2mg about 5 times per day, which equals 1mg.
I've been on Suboxone for about a year and a half now.
I definitely can't drop off where I am now though, I'm going to do a slow taper downwards. It'll take me probably at least another few months to taper off of it, however I'm at a place where I'm comfortable staying on the amount of buprenorphine I'm already on.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask me. Have a good one.
That's funny - I only needed 6mg / day as well when I was first coming off of heroin. It only took me a few days to start lowering the dose though, but 6mg was just right for me when I was kicking.
well i am going to try kickin H again ............whenever i use subs then i cant get off them so i have these 15 mg morphine pills that are pretty weak so i figure they may be better to wean off without bein sick instead of gettin stuck on subs again
ya dig ?
ya dig ?
tylerwashere
Bluelighter
i've been thinking kind of the same thing. I have a pretty serious oxy problem (not IV) and I wonder, is it easier to slowly taper off the oxys or just go right suboxone?
maxlateralus
Greenlighter
I know what I am about to ask has prob been addressed, but I don't have the time to read through countless threads to try and find my answer. THis is my very first post - I just joined this thread a few mins ago.
I am at a crossroads...very scared. I have been on methadone for five years. I am currently taking 35mgs of liquid per day. I was prescribed subutex (NOT suboxone) today. I specifically asked the Dr. for subutex instead of suboxone b/c I read that the suboxone has the naloxone in it which I thought would be what would send me into immediate withdrawals.
I think that after reading a few threads here that the naloxone is NOT what would give me the withdrawals, but rather it is the buprenorphine itself that does this. Is this true?? Will the fact that I got subutex instead, to try and avoid the withdrawal scenario, not even matter??
Also, how long should I go without methadone before taking my first subutex??? The dr. told me to take 1/2 of the 8mg pill. He said I could start after waiting 24 hours from my last methadone dose. I read on here, it should be 3 days. He said 24 hours is enough b/c my methadone dose is not that high. I have read that it's easier to transition from methadone to oxycodone to subutex. My dr. is willing to do this too. SHould I go that route???
Also, If I start feeling withdrawal pains an hour after my first dose of subutex at 8am, would I be able to take more at that point or should I wait till the next day or later that afternoon???
Again, sorry for asking repetitve questions here. Just would like some info to make me feel more at ease. THank you very much!
I am at a crossroads...very scared. I have been on methadone for five years. I am currently taking 35mgs of liquid per day. I was prescribed subutex (NOT suboxone) today. I specifically asked the Dr. for subutex instead of suboxone b/c I read that the suboxone has the naloxone in it which I thought would be what would send me into immediate withdrawals.
I think that after reading a few threads here that the naloxone is NOT what would give me the withdrawals, but rather it is the buprenorphine itself that does this. Is this true?? Will the fact that I got subutex instead, to try and avoid the withdrawal scenario, not even matter??
Also, how long should I go without methadone before taking my first subutex??? The dr. told me to take 1/2 of the 8mg pill. He said I could start after waiting 24 hours from my last methadone dose. I read on here, it should be 3 days. He said 24 hours is enough b/c my methadone dose is not that high. I have read that it's easier to transition from methadone to oxycodone to subutex. My dr. is willing to do this too. SHould I go that route???
Also, If I start feeling withdrawal pains an hour after my first dose of subutex at 8am, would I be able to take more at that point or should I wait till the next day or later that afternoon???
Again, sorry for asking repetitve questions here. Just would like some info to make me feel more at ease. THank you very much!
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boxcut3
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hey max, i just switched from methadone to subs this past summer and i don't mean to scare you but it was horrible. I was on 30mg of methadone when I did the switch and after 48 hours with no methadone I took my first dose. The first day I tried I threw up so much that my doctor wanted me to check into an ER. So instead I started using heroin for a week to try and get the methadone out of my system because the first day I tried went so terribly. Anyways, even after waiting a week the switch went terribly. According to my drug tests it took over a month to get the methadone out of my system.
I've had other problems getting on subs because of my tolerance, but it was never as bad as it was when I was on methadone. Do you have any short-acting opiates you could use until the methadone gets out of your system, or at least to a lower level? Maybe this isn't a good idea for an addict but if this switch goes badly maybe you will want to try it.
PM me if you want. I know how rough the switch can be. Although, just a quick note I have read of some people having no problems with the switch at all. I hear it's easier if you get your MMT dose down to 20mg first.
I've had other problems getting on subs because of my tolerance, but it was never as bad as it was when I was on methadone. Do you have any short-acting opiates you could use until the methadone gets out of your system, or at least to a lower level? Maybe this isn't a good idea for an addict but if this switch goes badly maybe you will want to try it.
PM me if you want. I know how rough the switch can be. Although, just a quick note I have read of some people having no problems with the switch at all. I hear it's easier if you get your MMT dose down to 20mg first.
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