The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

[Solipsis]

No unfortunately we don't offer recommendations out of the blue, the best we can do is mentioning compounds that have tendencies to produce a certain effect more than others but don't stare yourself blind at that sort of thing.
The whole point of Bluelight and PD is that you do the research yourself and gradually narrow down your searchlight. Most every substance has upsides and downsides and aspects that appeal to one person but not another. In all honesty if you browse PD closely for peoples preferences you might still come up with popular ones and the reasons why they are popular.

Anyway I mean this kindly.
If you have more specific questions you can expect more specific answers, if you ask general questions you get general answers. I hope youll find everything you are looking for in ethnobotany and chemistry :D

 

[.Felix.]

Has anyone tried combining this substance with a 2C-x?

I currently have 2c-I and may be getting a hold of some 2C-E again or 2c-T-7

 

[any major dude]

I've combined with 2c-i to great effect. Might wanna avoid combining with t7 as it may have some MAOI activity, though I'm not entirely sure about that...

 

[.Felix.]

I've combined with 2c-i to great effect. Might wanna avoid combining with t7 as it may have some MAOI activity, though I'm not entirely sure about that...

Really?

What was yoru dosages?

What were some of the effects on the body? Mind? how about Duration?

Did you use any Cannabis or Nitrous?

 

[naginnudej]

The night has ended well...finally am able to get my hands on this delightful substance.

Trials will begin soon. I can't wait...reading this thread is getting me excited :D

...no not that way

 

[any major dude]

Really?

What was yoru dosages?

What were some of the effects on the body? Mind? how about Duration?

Did you use any Cannabis or Nitrous?

i took 20mg psilacetin & 12mg 2c-i. Body felt mostly good, no real nausea to speak of, if i remember correctly, as it was about 8 months ago. Though I did burp a lot... go figure. I did feel a bit "wobbly" almost as if drunk. Visuals were quite present, lots of morphing and color shifts, though color shifts declined later in the experience. Didn't have the opportunity to do any nitrous, though I'd have welcomed it. Cannabis was a mild potentiator of the visuals, didn't notice much in the way of increasing the mental effects. I think the 2c-i may have quelled some of the tryptamine loopiness, as I was mostly clear headed, but quite goofy.

 

[bunnyhentman]

I've taken about 15mg of 4-aco-dmt with 15 mg of 2ci or 2cb (I can't remember which; it was at the end of a very long week a few years ago and I probably had quite a tolerance built up). I was outside in a park in a strange city, and I remember it really getting on top of me -- my friend (who took about the same combination but had a lower tolerance than me) and I both felt like the world went white -- not foggy, just empty. I remember being very focused on whatever was in front of my eyes and unable to see the whole from a part. For instance, a shoe was trying to talk to me but I didn't see why a shoe would have anything to say so I ignored it. Then later I was told there was a person attached to that shoe, who had been the one talking to me.

I've taken 4-aco-dmt a few times on its own and it feels very mushroomy, but more consistent than mushroom trips. I often feel pleasantly alienated from my surroundings. Most recently I took it and went sailing, and had a similar feeling when one of the sailors asked me to help with a rope. His leg was in front of my face and I remember thinking, "OK, Leg, I'll hold your rope."

My favorite time with this chemical was with friends on the beach in California. I felt like we were a troop of marauding aliens exploring Venice Beach. We had a really hard time communicating with people outside of our session (ie, ordering 2 peppermint teas and receiving 6, telling our innkeeper our car was boxed in and he thought we were looking for a parking space) which is how I usually feel on tryptamines.

 

[Listening]

"OK, Leg, I'll hold your rope."

Too funny.

For what it's worth, I too felt disconnected from others during my 4-aco-dmt trip. However, my trips on all psychedelics seem to have a weird contrast of either making me feel very connected to other people, or very disconnected, usually depending on how the trip starts out.

 

[Solipsis]

Yeah about being in or out of touch with your surroundings 4-AcO-DMT makes me dissociated in a weird way. I start feeling less like interacting with whats going on around me and just want to close my eyes and go to a meditative inner journey. Haven't done it in a really interesting environment though like nature. I think nature can be just as peaceful despite being an 'outer' aspect of reality.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

Agreed on the dissociative aspect of this chemical. My one experience with it at 20mg quickly put me into a deep trance. It just gave me the urge to close my eyes and let the chemical take over.

I want to revisit this one soon but I'm waiting for the right time. My last trip with it was absolutely mind blowing. So much so that it actually prompted me to write a report.

 

[.Felix.]

I have found the drug to be quite stimulating and not so visual. I have had minor morphing but mostly just trails and and people and objects that move leave behind lots of tracers, It also tends to give me energy and make me lethargic, many times it is close to the same time.




Here is a report... until I couldnt type:



25 milligrams of 4-aco-dmt. (fasting)

Seems to be about 45 min since taken. Body high changes to body load. Vis versa. Music sounds good. Slight visuals. Design, that I assume is associated with tryptamines, is begging to be more apparent.

I am still bit freaked out by my last trip. My hands give me a small shake when I state at them, like they are different things, not my hands anymore. Weird.

1:00- Energy burst, weird mind visuals (such as face turning and opening to spit out a liquid, people pushing) oh now that is becoming immersed in the design. Lethargic, weirder. lol

Photography image is popping out but looks engulfed in some leather? The leather is transparent.

I keep getting metal image of smahing something at base than it crumbling down.

Fairly hard to write.

This is

 

[Shakti]

I have found the drug to be quite stimulating and not so visual. I have had minor morphing but mostly just trails and and people and objects that move leave behind lots of tracers, It also tends to give me energy and make me lethargic, many times it is close to the same time.




Here is a report... until I couldnt type:



25 milligrams of 4-aco-dmt. (fasting)

Seems to be about 45 min since taken. Body high changes to body load. Vis versa. Music sounds good. Slight visuals. Design, that I assume is associated with tryptamines, is begging to be more apparent.

I am still bit freaked out by my last trip. My hands give me a small shake when I state at them, like they are different things, not my hands anymore. Weird.

1:00- Energy burst, weird mind visuals (such as face turning and opening to spit out a liquid, people pushing) oh now that is becoming immersed in the design. Lethargic, weirder. lol

Photography image is popping out but looks engulfed in some leather? The leather is transparent.

I keep getting metal image of smahing something at base than it crumbling down.

Fairly hard to write.

This is

I love how it ends

 

[pk5000]

i posted this epic combo report on the "other" 4-aco thread:

We pulled off an amazing combo this last friday after several times trying to get the right amounts and times down for mixing this with methylone.

I started with 16mg 4-aco then let that fully develop and at the 1:45 mark, peaking, I went with a low dose of methylone, 132mg. (normally I would do 180 or so) The result was spectacular. No bad anything.....sometimes with too much methylone I can get a racing heart, etc.....but this was pure relaxed tripping euphoria....with unrivaled music appreciation.

Mrs Pk5000 reminded me that it had been an hour since we dropped the methylone, and it was time to bump, if I wanted to.......for the first time ever taking methylone, I did not feel the need to bump....in fact it seemed excessive! wow

I did end up bumping 50 mg, since the mrs. just did, and I have to say, it was very effective at maintaining my position in the euphoric universe. But I did not crave it at all, for the rest of the evening.

This combo is my new favorite.....stunningly effective, and I like that I can get all I want from methylone at a much lower dose, with no craving for more.

 

[invert]

i posted this epic combo report on the "other" 4-aco thread:

We pulled off an amazing combo this last friday after several times trying to get the right amounts and times down for mixing this with methylone.

I started with 16mg 4-aco then let that fully develop and at the 1:45 mark, peaking, I went with a low dose of methylone, 132mg. (normally I would do 180 or so) The result was spectacular. No bad anything.....sometimes with too much methylone I can get a racing heart, etc.....but this was pure relaxed tripping euphoria....with unrivaled music appreciation.

Mrs Pk5000 reminded me that it had been an hour since we dropped the methylone, and it was time to bump, if I wanted to.......for the first time ever taking methylone, I did not feel the need to bump....in fact it seemed excessive! wow

I did end up bumping 50 mg, since the mrs. just did, and I have to say, it was very effective at maintaining my position in the euphoric universe. But I did not crave it at all, for the rest of the evening.

This combo is my new favorite.....stunningly effective, and I like that I can get all I want from methylone at a much lower dose, with no craving for more.

Interesting... I recently combined these two for the first time; but did it the other way round: 4-AcO-DMT was insufflated (about 15 mg, iirc) after the peak of a methylone dose (about 200 mg oral, with 50 mg or so an hour later). Your description sounds comparable to what I experienced (i.e. lovely, euphoric, psychedelic, not stimulant-like and without fiendiness), but it'll be interesting to take them in your order, and experience methylone's peak effects while under the influence of the 4-AcO-DMT.

 

[pk5000]

Interesting... I recently combined these two for the first time; but did it the other way round: 4-AcO-DMT was insufflated (about 15 mg, iirc) after the peak of a methylone dose (about 200 mg oral, with 50 mg or so an hour later). Your description sounds comparable to what I experienced (i.e. lovely, euphoric, psychedelic, not stimulant-like and without fiendiness), but it'll be interesting to take them in your order, and experience methylone's peak effects while under the influence of the 4-AcO-DMT.

it is quite spectacular!

here is what I learned about myself:

I have to wait to be fully into, and peaking on 4-aco Before taking the methylone. I have dropped the methylone too soon, and ended up with a "battle" in my head, headache, and almost no good effects from the m1.

I can use much less methylone when taking it this way, and get much greater effects, that last longer, with no craving.....I am repeating myself here, but fuck! the RC hippyflip is amazing.

music meditation is pure euphoria

OK, I am not into techno music at all normally, but the mrs is, and damned if she didn't amaze me with a selection for our journey that I highly recommend:
Trentemoller The Last Resort, in particular: While The Cold Winter Waiting

 

[Listening]

Any one achieved Satori with this compound? I't enlightement. like holes form into air then radiating light fluctuates to you. it could be first sign getting to it if wfite fluff appears. Praying also can cause it more propably to happen. I can with some naturals. I'm not saying this to get some special attention as for neebie, it's true it happens to some. Maybe i should get to know the +++ system better to understand if it is related to that and i just don't know.

Can you explain this in more detail? Maybe better suited to Trip Reports though.

 

[Psychonautical]

So tonight i had an epic voyage with 70mg.

My friends Joe Blair and Duke, also consumed 70mg.
Blair took his in a parachute.
Joe snorted half and gummed the other half.

While Dukes and i partisipated in what would be timelessly known as a beautiful scramble of events.

After having snorted my 70mg, i realized that i had an endlessly feeling of floating//free falling. I had no negative body tremors, no anxiety, nothing like that, it just transpired into what would be an incredible moment of unity between me and 3 good friends.

Like we would sit there and be able to share each others thoughts inside of our minds on 3 seperate couches like each individual thought was a box or something which we could then pass onto the next one, and it was like opening up a gift, lol.

Right after snorting it, for about 1 hour and 30 minutes i was given a chance to take a look at the catalogue that makes up my conciousness. It was literally like being seated with my eye closed in front of a 1000 tv screens with each one of them playing like a forgotten memory or something that i really longed to hold on to, it was beautiful.

I believe this batch is slightly stronger than the other batches i have tried.

I have taken, 10mg 15mg
then once i realized that by comparison to 4-aco-dipt 4-ho-mipt that the body buzz
and bodily sensations, taking place on my central nervious system, where well well, absent.

I amped the doseages up to 25, 45 until finally.

I took 100mg's which i posted about.

Mind you, i am spacing out all of these GIGANTIC trips by at least a month.

Like, 4-aco-dmt, has become an Ally, a true whole hearted Ally, Thats all i can say about that.

Its a beautiful albeit short lived experience.

I wish only that all Rc's were as smooth and beautiful as this one.

 

[Solipsis]

Dude I'm so happy you were granted such an experience. There's nothing that could take it away from you!! Okay except for like freakass amnesia.

4-AcO-DMT is truly a gift, how it got to be so ridiculously smooth I cant figure out for the life of me...
so, do you think that lower doses make you more prone to some anxiety or like a deep tremble like an inner tsunami that gets better once you overcome a threshold? Or was it perfect at every level for you?

 

[Psychonautical]

I ordered 1 gram from a Supplier, it was HCL, i noticed it to be more intense than the fumarate i ordered from this different supplier.

After both of those were gone, i got interested in the lower homologues of it. 4-aco-dipt and 4-ho-mipt. Neither one of them i found to have anywhere near the same splendor or transendance that accompanies it. After 3 - 4 months, I decided that i needed to return to 4-aco-dmt, and ordered some from a company i have never ordered from before.


i've found anywhere between 7-15mg of either one of those substances to be WAY more than enough, they were far too intense on the body. But mostly inside of my head, i would have mild psychedelia, followed by extreme residual stimulation.

I will give 4-aco-dipt this much, and that is, really knows how to blow the roof off.
but it is not a pleasant ride.

I've found that lower doses 5 - 10 of 4-aco-dmt produced an awkward feeling. You arent high, you aren't sober, but everything around you has become awkward, like you are trapped in a awkward conversation with someone. But its not a bad sensation. just awkward.

While the higher doses completely just send you into hyperspace, which is beautiful.


I am really curious if there is anyone out there whose tried higher doses of 4-aco-dmt, primarily over the 50mg mark.

 

[Delsyd]

i rather like the low doses. They remind me of a DMT afterglow.

Also if i remeber correctly, yoyoman tried high doses of 4 aco dmt (check the original 4 aco dmt big and dandy)

as for fumurate vs hcl
it makes sense the hcl was stronger because it is more potent by weight. or did you find the hcl to be stronger at all doses versus the fumurate