Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[danalprazolam]

There's no way you did 16mg's of suboxone without throwing up with a low tolerance. When was first put on it 8mg's gave me enough of a effect. Then I took 16 and it was to much. But I did it.

Anyways your having a problem becuase the ritalin. I used to take stimulants with mine to. You took to much bupe and to much ritalin.

 

[lurching]

i did spread out those 16mg over +-50 hours. i found that the effect of a dose decreased rapidly after about 6 hours so i kept adding more bupe to my system. i had pinpoint pupils all the way through, as well as slight nausea, so yeah i definitely overdid the bupe, especially considering it was my first time using the stuff. sounds kinda obvious now, but oh well, 20/20 hindsight.

btw, my tolerance might be higher than i'm thinking, i gave 0.4mg to a (totally opiate-naive) friend of mine and he was throwing up, complaining of dizzyness and sweating..

still, i'd be interested to hear if anyone suffered a similar allergic reaction? i'm doing a very cautious test right now with 0.2mg of bupe - without any stimulants - to see how i'm going to react before writing the stuff off altogether.

 

[danalprazolam]

i did spread out those 16mg over +-50 hours. i found that the effect of a dose decreased rapidly after about 6 hours so i kept adding more bupe to my system. i had pinpoint pupils all the way through, as well as slight nausea, so yeah i definitely overdid the bupe, especially considering it was my first time using the stuff. sounds kinda obvious now, but oh well, 20/20 hindsight.

btw, my tolerance might be higher than i'm thinking, i gave 0.4mg to a (totally opiate-naive) friend of mine and he was throwing up, complaining of dizzyness and sweating..

still, i'd be interested to hear if anyone suffered a similar allergic reaction? i'm doing a very cautious test right now with 0.2mg of bupe - without any stimulants - to see how i'm going to react before writing the stuff off altogether.

Yes, I have, I took the stuff from December 08 until JUNE 09. So that's about a year and a half. I used to actually just sit up in my bed at night, just sitting there.

That's why I had my suboxone Dr. give me klonopin. Remember bupe is stimulating. When I was taking dexedrine and bupe I would get quite a temper somtimes.

So basically you dont need that much suboxone. The best way to get the most out of it is to take the least amount possible. Also spread out your doses, the longer they are apart the better it works.

If you have any specific questions PM me. I've had every up and down experience with the stuff imaginable lol.

 

[lurching]

So basically you dont need that much suboxone. The best way to get the most out of it is to take the least amount possible. Also spread out your doses, the longer they are apart the better it works.

that makes sense. i've read many similar things on this board, even such as that higher doses are actually LESS effective because of their antagonizing properties. besides, i'm trying this substance to treat my depression (for which i was using tramadol/ppt in the past) so getting nodding-style high in 50-hour binges is probably a bad idea overall.

so did you experience the same type of swelling and irritated skin? did this happen at lower doses (without stimulants) as well? it was pretty severe in my case, i couldn't wear any shoes for three days and walking was intensely painful. had a slight fever as well. i'm trying to figure out if it's safe to continue using bupe (in sensible doses), i guess. i'm reasonably fit, with a healthy cardiovascular system and i'm not taking any other medication except for coffee and cannabis daily.

if anyone has access to the paper i mentioned earlier ("Allergic contact dermatitis from transdermal buprenorphine"), i would be very interested to read the full version since i'm not subscribed to any of those medical journals.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

besides, i'm trying this substance to treat my depression (for which i was using tramadol/ppt in the past) so getting nodding-style high in 50-hour binges is probably a bad idea overall.

Indeed.

I think if you stuck to < 1mg per day, you would find really good results. If you like snorting Subutex, you could snort a small bit of 1mg three or four times a day. If you didn't try the sublingual route yet, I would give that one a shot due to its long duration.

You definitely want to preserve the medicinal effects of buprenorphine, so I would use as little as possible each day, and see how long it'll last you.

If you have a higher opiate tolerance than you thought, you could use around 2mg (or more if needed) a day, and then slowly taper down to a lower amount per day. It's really easy to do this with buprenorphine I have found. I have cut my dose in half many times and it's a rather easy process.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

yeah , no problem at all with tramadol+Bupre ...it's been 7 months now (roughly) of taking 200mg trams + 2-4mg Bupre on a daily basis and I neither feel any urges to get back to my drug of choice(Heroin) nor to increase any of them 2 pharms's doses ... as for being completely clean ,guess I'll be having a long time ahead of me to debate it...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Looks like I'll have to actually merge this in a minute.

 

[theWorldWithin]

Skip the Valium man. Opiates + benzos = Death. If you do not have an opiate tolerance it is a particularly bad idea to add benzos. Also it will make you too lethargic to accomplish anything.

 

[adder]

I'm now on 16mg buprenorphine s.l. having switched from addiction to 100-120mg morphine twice a day/20-30mg levorphanol once a day. I started with 8mg and continued to use that dose for 4 days despite cold flashes and sweating. I thought it would go away with time just as the time is needed when starting methadone. But it didn't and I rose the dose to 16mg. I guess that's kind of a lot. I just want to add that I'm not getting high off those 16mgs and this is also confirmed by people who know I'm addicted and they've seen me nodding out countless times. The only effect is miosis but this was present with 8mg too.

Is tapering down 2mg every two days alright? I've got 176mg of buprenorphine left to carry out tapering down. Is it even possible to do this not ending with a buprenorphine W/D if I'm on 16mg right now? Maybe I could dose every 36 hours instead of every morning? Or wait for Saturday and lower it then to 12mg, maybe it won't be too little, well, I can always take 4mg more anyway. I'm stuck. I don't want to go back on morphine or levorphanol - firstable buprenorphine is cheaper if not for free, seconable getting morphine or levorphanol is time consuming as I study and I waste my time going around the city to buy morphine or take some levorphanol from my friend. Besides he need be supplied with reagents, levorphanol doesn't come out itself, he covers most expenses (he studied chemistry, I study chemistry but here he's a chemist and I'm to take care of 'logistics' but it's time consuming for him to 'make levorphanol come out').

I don't feel like begging for a prescription for more buprenorphine or getting the drug myself without a doctor to f*** with. 8)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm now on 16mg buprenorphine s.l. having switched from addiction to 100-120mg morphine twice a day/20-30mg levorphanol once a day. I started with 8mg and continued to use that dose for 4 days despite cold flashes and sweating. I thought it would go away with time just as the time is needed when starting methadone. But it didn't and I rose the dose to 16mg. I guess that's kind of a lot. I just want to add that I'm not getting high off those 16mgs and this is also confirmed by people who know I'm addicted and they've seen me nodding out countless times. The only effect is miosis but this was present with 8mg too.

Is tapering down 2mg every two days alright? I've got 176mg of buprenorphine left to carry out tapering down. Is it even possible to do this not ending with a buprenorphine W/D if I'm on 16mg right now? Maybe I could dose every 36 hours instead of every morning? Or wait for Saturday and lower it then to 12mg, maybe it won't be too little, well, I can always take 4mg more anyway. I'm stuck. I don't want to go back on morphine or levorphanol - firstable buprenorphine is cheaper if not for free, seconable getting morphine or levorphanol is time consuming as I study and I waste my time going around the city to buy morphine or take some levorphanol from my friend. Besides he need be supplied with reagents, levorphanol doesn't come out itself, he covers most expenses (he studied chemistry, I study chemistry but here he's a chemist and I'm to take care of 'logistics' but it's time consuming for him to 'make levorphanol come out').

I don't feel like begging for a prescription for more buprenorphine or getting the drug myself without a doctor to f*** with. 8)

176mg of buprenorphine should be enough to taper down with for sure. If you're around 16mg/day, work your way down by 2 or 4mg per day as you feel comfortable. Try to get to a low dose per day or every other day, and maintain yourself for a while. When you feel comfortable, you can still taper down as low as need be before quitting.

Plus, it's really cool you have tried levorphanol. I have never tried it before, how is it? How euphoric is it? What do you think of it compared to other opiates?

 

[tylerwashere]

I've tried taking bupe a few times and lasted for a few weeks before relapsing. Im planning on starting again tomorrow, but i dont know the best way to start. Times before i've waited 12hrs and taken it and usually it starts withdrawls in like 30 min and is pretty bad for an hour and a half unless i go to sleep pretty quickly after i take it, in which case i wake up feeling fine. I also tried (with a doctor) taking 2mg about 5hrs after using 30mg oxy, waiting 30min, taking 2mg more, waiting 30 min then taking 4mg more, this also worked out pretty well, with pretty much no w/d.

Alot of people i've talked to have said wait 24-48hrs which i know you are supposed to, but by 24hrs im ridiculously sick so i really want to find a different way. I've thought of taking a 2mg xanax 30min before taking the suboxone (which ill take like 6hrs after using 30mg oxy) and fall asleep, waking up (hopefully) not w/d-ing and on the bupe path. comments?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've tried taking bupe a few times and lasted for a few weeks before relapsing. Im planning on starting again tomorrow, but i dont know the best way to start. Times before i've waited 12hrs and taken it and usually it starts withdrawls in like 30 min and is pretty bad for an hour and a half unless i go to sleep pretty quickly after i take it, in which case i wake up feeling fine. I also tried (with a doctor) taking 2mg about 5hrs after using 30mg oxy, waiting 30min, taking 2mg more, waiting 30 min then taking 4mg more, this also worked out pretty well, with pretty much no w/d.

Alot of people i've talked to have said wait 24-48hrs which i know you are supposed to, but by 24hrs im ridiculously sick so i really want to find a different way. I've thought of taking a 2mg xanax 30min before taking the suboxone (which ill take like 6hrs after using 30mg oxy) and fall asleep, waking up (hopefully) not w/d-ing and on the bupe path. comments?

You should wait as long as feasible, but if you're "ridiculously sick", and are in the middle of heavy WD symptoms, it sounds like you're ready to take your first dose IMO.

Save the xanax for coming off of buprenorphine, or for tapering down. I wouldn't take xanax before Suboxone, but after it. That's just me.

 

[tylerwashere]

Well, i definitely have xanax for after the bupe, but the only reason i would take it before taking the suboxone is to make myself fall asleep quickly after taking the bupe, so i fall asleep during the initial, forced W/D, that comes from taking the bupe and still having a little opiate in your system. thanks for the advice though Cpt. Heroin.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Well, i definitely have xanax for after the bupe, but the only reason i would take it before taking the suboxone is to make myself fall asleep quickly after taking the bupe, so i fall asleep during the initial, forced W/D, that comes from taking the bupe and still having a little opiate in your system. thanks for the advice though Cpt. Heroin.

Falling asleep during precipitated WD is a bad idea - what if you vomit profusely and are laying on your back?

It's better to stay awake to see if you go through precipitated WD or not, and if you don't, then you can take xanax and it'll be synergized from the buprenorphine. So, that's why I suggest to take it afterwards.

It's really up to you, and if you have a good idea you won't go into precipitated WD, then be my guest.

Hope that helped. Most benzos are potently synergized when taken with buprenorphine, so make sure to be careful with the combo.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

not necessarily true as long as you do not over do it ...for instance , sometimes I do between 0.5-1mg Alprazolam along with my ,say,4mg Subutex +200mg Tram dose and I feel no lethargy at all ,as a matter of fact it's quite the opposite,just mildly increases relaxation which actually allows me to focus more on whatever it is I happen to be doing.But yeah , I understand what you mean , as a rule of thumb one shouldn't mix both pharms but then again if we were to follow rules we wouldn't be in here with our personal dillemas I guess...by the way,everything I've read posted by Cap_Heroin is absolutely true(at least based on my personal experience) regarding Subutex (maintenance/substitution if you will)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Skip the Valium man. Opiates + benzos = Death. If you do not have an opiate tolerance it is a particularly bad idea to add benzos. Also it will make you too lethargic to accomplish anything.

opiates and benzos doesn't equate to death. That's just silly.

You will want to start with smaller than normal doses due to synergy, but I think it's a great combo.

If you do add in valium, add in 2 to 5mg at the very most at first to gauge how you will react. It's really easy to over-do benzos while on buprenorphine.

not necessarily true as long as you do not over do it ...for instance , sometimes I do between 0.5-1mg Alprazolam along with my ,say,4mg Subutex +200mg Tram dose and I feel no lethargy at all ,as a matter of fact it's quite the opposite,just mildly increases relaxation which actually allows me to focus more on whatever it is I happen to be doing.But yeah , I understand what you mean , as a rule of thumb one shouldn't mix both pharms but then again if we were to follow rules we wouldn't be in here with our personal dillemas I guess...by the way,everything I've read posted by Cap_Heroin is absolutely true(at least based on my personal experience) regarding Subutex (maintenance/substitution if you will)

I agree man. 0.5mg alprazolam is a nice sweet spot for benzos + buprenorphine. I find 0.25mg triazolam with my 0.25mg buprenorphine dose was excellent the other night.

 

[overthought]

advice on sub half life, no build-up

after tossing about all night:
around 6:30 this morning i took an, emergency stash, 8mg suboxone and felt pretty decent until somewhere around 4:00pm. that's when the headache began and has only gotten worse. and in waves i keep getting that drank too much coffee feeling in my stomach. not sure if it's being caused by the sub or the lack of opiates.
a little after 8pm my body temp. started to fluctuate back and forth again. heat rising up my neck, chills curving down my shoulders, back, yadda~yadda. nerve endings all a twitch. anxiety grrrr....

is it normal for one 8mg sub to not last at least 24 hours?

are headaches a common side effect? stomach pain?

approximately how long is the half life of an 8mg sub, if only one is eaten(no build-up)?

i've read through many posts and can't equate my own answer, grrr...

if i'm already feeling like shit tonight, will it be a waste to take, the last of the emergency reserves, 20mg of methadone tomorrow afternoon?

opiations needed )

 

[El Patron]

Eaten? Did you really eat the whole pill? Or is that a typo?

Additional info is needed man. Your tolerance for example. What was your habit?

It would be a shame if you really ate the whole pill. Hilarious to me, but a shame for you. Especially if your tolerance wasn't too high.

My apologies if that is a typo.

The half life of sub is about (Google) hours. Common side effects include (Google), (Google), and less frequently (Google). I know the first time I took sub I got a wired kind of feeling like there was increased pressure in my head. Like if you smile too hard and hold your face like that. Hard to explain exactly, but that's the best I can do.

Did you really eat your suboxone?

 

[overthought]

dissolved under my tongue...

hoping that the "eating" part is why you question "the whole pill"... i know not to eat or swallow it, but why wouldn't i take the whole thing. would you recommend less?

my problem varies: approx. 200mg/day oxy, 100mg/day opana, or 7-8bags, ect.

 

[overthought]

mostly curious of how long to wait before taking the methadone???