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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

HI! How does Oxycontin compare to Heroin?

Actually Oxycontin is prescribed in the UK, for VERY SEVERE pain- either chronic pain from back problems/ injury lasting several years or more and where drugs such as codeine and Voltarol are ineffective, or more commonly on terminal cancer wards.
However the use of morphine is more common for both of these. If youre looking to break through physeptone then OC could work with a decent dose, or diconal if your can get it. There's also hydromorphone and fentanyl among pharms but these are even rarer than OC and can cause overdose even in tolerant users.
CWE codeine is okay for non-opiate tolerant people and chippers-however 80mg green juice a day is equivalent to 1.6 GRAMS (yes, grams) of codeine which would require 6 whole boxes of OTC codeine or 50 solpadols. Basically a no-go.

BA is bioavailability- it means the amount of drug that reaches the brain and has an effect on the body, expressed as a percentage of the total drug consumed for a specific route of administration. So say the BA of cocaine by sniffing is 75%- if you had 1g of pure coke, 750mg would "work" with the rest being metabolised and excreted.
 
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That makes sense, Ive known a few cancer/severe pain sufferers and they always had morphine in one form or another.Haven't seen diconal for years, nor seconal or tuinal. I've been taking rohypnol and valium when Ive really felt I must have something but sometimes you just want that opiate buzz.
That has always been the problem with codeine amongst people I know, just never seem's worth it. Would be interesting to try some hospital grade stuff.
Funnily enough, Drugstore Cowboy was on last night. Those looked like the day's, a nice simple tablet that melts perfectly in water. Or Dilaudid.....:)
 
Dilaudid is the same as our Palladone (licensed only for terminal cancer palliative care) but instant release. It is 2,4 or 8mg pills whilst UK palladone-IR pills are only 1.3 or 2.6mg, with the SR continus ones going up to 24mg. I would one day like to try Jurnista, which comes in 64mg pills (!)

Not surprised you havent seen barbiturates for years, theyre so dangerous doctors are even advised not to prescribe to any new patients and the NHS have taken this approach for some time. Codeine IM sterile ampoules (which are class A schedule 2 drugs just like Palfium, Diconal, Narphen and the hard core analgesics of old) may have some promise if you could get some but I think theyre only used in specialist hospitals.
 
Again, with the ease of availabilty of methadone i've never really had a use for SR tablets. Not seen Palladone either before. Are these still prescribed in the UK (Palfium, Diconal, Narphen)?
 
Also, elsewher on this site people are mentioning shooting oxymorphone/hydromorphone/oxycodone.
I am assuming they are crushing tablets or do you get them in other forms in the US? can anyone explain the difference between them to me, both in use, effect and people's personal experiences/preferences?
 
1) Dikes are still rxed but very rarely- even in cancer cases where chemo causes major nausea, a syringe driver full of IV diamorphine and stemetil/maxolon is preferred to diconal and its inbuilt anti-emetic cyclizine. A license is required by law to prescribe for addicts.
2) Palf was discontinued in 04 and narphen around the same time- these were even more powerful and caused plenty of overdose casualties. Official story is that a lack of precursors to make the active ingredients led to the withdrawal from the UK market but I doubt that's the whole truth. Palfium is still available in Australia and possibly Belgium while I don't know of any countries that still have med grade phenazocine (narphen.)
3)In America, Hydromorphone is available in ampoule form as Dilaudid HP or generic amps- but pills are used far more often by crushing and filtering. Oxymorphone used to be in numorphan ampoules but I think these went to the wall years ago and now Opana tablets are the pharmaceutical form. Oxycodone is also no longer available in a designed-for-injection form but a concentrated syrup (20mg/1ml) is often shot up as are crushed oxycontin/roxicodone.
Percocet, Percodan ,Tylox & Combunox are used by less dependent/ less experienced users and contain additional actives and only a low dose of oxycodone. These are not commonly shot up.
 
Honestly i LOve Heroin..

But i think Oxy is superior just because there are no dirty cuts and and such a clean high..

Ofcourse nothing compares to banging Heroin but taking a bunch of oxy Orally is just as good IMO..

I like oxycodone much better just because of how consistent i know what im getting and its safer than shooting up dope..


Oxy is more stimulating H sedating...

Also oxy doesnt last even close to as long as H..

First time i did heroin it lasted like 12 hours... oxy lasts about 2-4 and its gone
 
Thanks for the help, its much appreciated. As a final thought, of the three (that have been offered to me recently) Hydrocodone, Oxycontin , Oxycodone which would be your preference and why, for IV and oral?
 
Oxycontin for both IV and oral, no question.
There is no chemical difference between oxyCONTIN and oxyCODONE except for the fact oxycontin is intended to release slowly for chronic pain patients who want steady relief all day. Like the difference between MST and sevredol/oramorph.
Hydrocodone is weaker, more sedating and often said to be less euphoric- and unless you've been offered pure powder, nearly all hydro pills contain hefty doses of other ingredients such as paracetamol.
 
does IVING oxycodone even do anything? i probably shouldnt even be asking this and just stick to my oral and snorting
 
ohh yes it does... but from a harm reduction perspective youre quite right about sticking to oral or snorting.
 
If your gonna take oxy orally your better off with IR pills.. not oxycontin. You just swallow them then, dont have to waste your time crushing a time release pill up to make it ir when you could have just swallowed ir pills.
 
I'm not sure of the dosages between heroin and oxycontin as I don't really know how much heroin I use at a time. (we have buttons here, which is a clear gel cap with heroin, or "raw" heroin in chunks of powder)

but as far as the feeling of each. I would say heroin is more of a whole body rush (I'm talking IV on both of these drugs as this is how I do them) its kind of like a warm blanket coming over your whole body, most notably the back of your head. while oxy is very similiar but to me its mostly just in your head and the rush almost feels like a hot wave over your head, and again most notably the back of your head.

hope this helps, be careful out there and I"m in no way saying you should IV your drugs. this is just how I do it and the only way I could explain them.

btw, this is my first post back in almost 3 years away. (no internet)
 
Heroin has a better body high, but huge doses of oxycontin (especially IV) is technically more euphoric....

Actually, snorted oxycodone is probably my favorite opioid, and I have tried virtually all common and some not too common opioids (like levorphanol). I only began IVing because of tolerance.
 
cire113 said:
Honestly i LOve Heroin..

But i think Oxy is superior just because there are no dirty cuts and and such a clean high..
Ofcourse nothing compares to banging Heroin but taking a bunch of oxy Orally is just as good IMO..

I like oxycodone much better just because of how consistent i know what im getting and its safer than shooting up dope..


Oxy is more stimulating H sedating...

Also oxy doesnt last even close to as long as H..

First time i did heroin it lasted like 12 hours... oxy lasts about 2-4 and its gone
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No dirty cuts in oxycontin? Yes it is true that you know the exact dosage of oxycodone you are taking and you know all the inactives that are in the pills, but some of those inactives are very bad for you, mainly TALC which if injected or even snorted can cause major damage. IMO the dangerous cuts that COULD be in the heroin are much safer than the inactive cuts in oxy pills, but again that is just my opinion.

Heroin is USUALLY cut with fairly safe things as it is intended to be injected and most dealers aren't trying to kill their customers so they usually don't cut it with poison, though it is possible to find stuff cut with dangerous thing, just not likely.

Plus, with oxycodone pills, like for example OC 80s, there is 80 milligrams in each pill, but if you weigh one of those pills, it is like 300mg AT LEAST, so that means out of 300-400mg, only 80mg of it is oxycodone, that means it is only 20-25% pure powder. And that is good for a pill, most pills are less than 10% pure i.e. only 10% of it is the drug you are seeking.

So IMO OC is not any safer than street heroin, actually I think it is worse, equal at best. It sure as hell isn't ALOT safer.
 
I've never done heroin, and only recently been prescribed strong things like oxycontin and the IR oxycodone, but 6 years ago I used to do it a lot. Like almost 1200mg/day sometimes, thats why my tolerance is so high-

But that was still 6 years ago.

So 300mg of oxycontin didnt produce any euphoria, until I added medical marijuana because I couldnt sleep..Then it felt like I felt all of the medicine but fell asleep. Also, how much of an effect does a full stomach have?
 
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