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Green Dragon and Mushrooms

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ChugMajicGrnDragon

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I've been a lurker on this site for years but I figured I'd take sometime to share the results of an experiment I conducted on myself the other night.

I've been making and enjoying Green Dragon for years. To me, the euphoria and body load is similar in some ways to Mushrooms and the mental clarity and empathy I obtain from the experience reminds me a little of MDMA (molly). One of the things I enjoy the most about Green Dragon is that its effects are consistent and predictable, I know what to expect and how to direct the experience. Mushrooms, on the other hand, can take me to places and emotional states I'm not always ready for and that can be a double edged sword; moreover, the extreme highs and lows from MDMA make me feel out of control and uneasy at times during my roll. Another thing I like about GD is that when it's over, I am always left with a positive afterglow- not as strong as from a good mushroom trip, but nowhere remotely close to nasty depression/anxiety from MDMA that can last a while.

At any rate, I have always been curious as to what it would be like to combine Green Dragon and mushrooms. For me, MDMA's effects are always clouded when I smoke a lot of pot; conversely, THC greatly enhances my trips. So, being the curious guy I am, I decided to eat an eighth of shrooms and pound a shot of Green Dragon shortly afterwords to see what the experience would be like.

I could write a lengthy, detailed trip report, but I think people would gain more by trying this for themselves. It was, by far, one of the most visually astounding and spiritually awakening experiences I have ever had. As I began to peak I felt as though I were listening to a live symphony while the Northern Lights spiraled around my dark room- I felt like I was blasted into another universe, but in a lucid and directed manner. A lot of times when I'm tripping I feel like I'm being dragged and thrown around by a force greater than I'm capable of understanding. This was not the case at all during my trip, in fact, it was like it was the other way around: I was dictating the direction and outcome of my trip, working on issues and exploring ideas I'd been too hesitant to explore.

I won't write on and on about it, but I'm curious if anyone has tried this amazing combination.
 
Well it complimented the shrooms perfectly. Maybe it had something to do with the dose and the fact that they have similar onset times and durations. Acid lasts a lot longer so when the THC wore off I'd wonder what that would do to the trip, I usually want to fall asleep after doing Green Dragon by itself. Haven't done mescaline so I can't comment on that.
 
just curious, how do you make your green dragon? i've read many ways to make it and anyone i've ever known who has tried to make it always said it didn't work very well. i figured they just did it wrong but i've never really known as i haven't tried it myself. so if you've got a sure fire method i'd love to hear it
 
I'm a big fan of eating the weed, but have not yet tried a green dragon. Are the effects the same as eating in any other way or does the infusion with alcohol change the character substantially?

Re heating: Most of the well-received teks I've seen have a heating stage. Isn't heating even necessary to activate the THC? I would think there would be some wastage otherwise...
 
My sure fire, 100% guaranteed to work method for making Green Dragon:

Take 1/8 of good quality herb- I know a lot of people out there say to use shake but in my experience, the better the weed, the better the batch- and grind it to a fine powder using a coffee grinder. Take the ground weed and put it on a baking sheet covered with tin foil. Place it in the oven at 220 degrees and watch it carefully. In about 10-15mins the weed will turn a golden brown color and the oven will reek of pot, this is when you know it will be ready. While you are waiting for the weed, use a double boiler of water that you will place a bottle of high proof alcohol inside (151 proof rum works perfectly). Make sure you watch the stove carefully because the alcohol is highly flammable. Once the weed is finished, carefully dump it inside the bottle of rum which should be close to boiling by now. Once the mixture boils, the weed that sank the bottom of the bottle will begin to rise to the top. Carefully remove the bottle and cut the heat source- I've made countless batches and never started a fire, but you have to be extremely careful. Also, but be sure to use and oven mit because the bottle will be very hot. Try to shake up the mixture vigorously while it's hot. The Green Dragon is ready to be consumed at this point, but I usually wait til the bottle and alcohol are at room temperature. You could place the bottle in the freezer to speed up the process, but I once had a bottle crack, so I just let it cool on its own.

As far as comparing it to baked goods using butter, the major difference is the onset time. Cookies or brownies tend to take at least 45 mins up to 90 mins to start to kick in, Green Dragon you start to notice the effects within 10-15 mins and peak effects by no longer than an hour. Cookies seem to last a few hours longer, Green Dragon is about 5-6 hours.

My friends and I typically take shots of the stuff, but I will warn you, it is not the best tasting stuff in the world. You can dilute it by mixing it in a drink, but the rapid onset time that occurs with a shot will be greatly effected.

I know there are other methods of making it, but this seems to be the most effective way for me. If youre curious and want to try it, this method WILL work.

Hope that answered any questions.
 
Listening said:
I'm a big fan of eating the weed, but have not yet tried a green dragon. Are the effects the same as eating in any other way or does the infusion with alcohol change the character substantially?

Re heating: Most of the well-received teks I've seen have a heating stage. Isn't heating even necessary to activate the THC? I would think there would be some wastage otherwise...
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No heating is necessary. If you're trying to speed up the leeching of the THC into the alcohol heating can help.

But in my experience the best way to make green dragon is to leave the ganj soaking in alcohol in a cool dark place for at least a month, and try to forget about it in the mean time.

But as far as THC needing heat to be active, its just not true.
 
I've tried the whole "let it soak for a month thing" the first time I made it and it wasn't nearly as potent- in fact, I just remember getting a little drunk and feeling slightly stoned

Personally, I don't have the patience to wait a month either.

Heating it has worked every single time
 
ChugMajicGrnDragon said:
I've tried the whole "let it soak for a month thing" the first time I made it and it wasn't nearly as potent- in fact, I just remember getting a little drunk and feeling slightly stoned

Personally, I don't have the patience to wait a month either.

Heating it has worked every single time
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I'm not saying heating doesn't aid in the transfer from the weed to the alcohol, but it in no way "activates" the THC.
 
I found a website that said you need to microwave the weed for about 2 minutes prior to letting it sit in lemon extract for a month.

I have the patience as i'm not a daily smoker, not even weekly usually.

Has anyone used this method?
 
I'm not saying heating doesn't aid in the transfer from the weed to the alcohol, but it in no way "activates" the THC.
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Decarboxylation occurs when you heat THC, which is why you need to cook weed before you eat it to get the most out of it. When you smoke it this provides sufficient heat, but oral ingestion without prior heating is only about 1/3 as effective. Also, it would be interesting to make a combined green dragon, with both grass and mushrooms or cactus in the booze (you'd have to add the mushrooms after heating).
 
I found a website that said you need to microwave the weed for about 2 minutes prior to letting it sit in lemon extract for a month.
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What's lemon extract? You need to provide heat somehow, heating it in the oven or microwave works, but boiling it might work better. THC isn't water soluble so you shouldn't lose much, and you're much less likely to overheat the weed. Plus the water should extract some of the nasties that make the final product taste nasty.
 
At the risk of continuing an off-topic discussion for this forum:

Yerg said:
What's lemon extract? You need to provide heat somehow, heating it in the oven or microwave works, but boiling it might work better. THC isn't water soluble so you shouldn't lose much, and you're much less likely to overheat the weed. Plus the water should extract some of the nasties that make the final product taste nasty.
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Lemon extract is a viable source of alcohol. You can find it in any grocery store in the baking/spice aisle. The brand I'm familiar with is about 80% grain alcohol. The only issue is the taste - it is extremely strong and you would not want to have to drink it by itself, let alone mixed with a lot of weed. And it's quite expensive considering the small volume. Unless you don't have access to any high-proof liquor for some reason, I wouldn't really recommend using this method.

Boiling the weed is not a very good idea in my opinion, if you're talking about using water. THC is slightly water soluble and more-so at higher temperatures, but beyond that, I'd simply be worried about many of the trichomes coming off of the bud and into the water.

Heating the marijuana in the microwave is probably a bad idea. Because microwaves act on the lipid and moisture content first and quickly, it would be extremely easy to vaporize a lot of your THC.
Anyway, as far as I understand, when extracting the THC using alcohol, you do not need to heat it at all to make it orally active, but if you wanted to do this anyway (presumably to convert all of the tetrahydrocannabinolic acid to THC by decarboxylation), 220F in an oven is also way too hot. 150F for 10-15 minutes is the most I would subject it to without worrying about a loss of potency.
 
^Yeah, if it's like vanilla extract that doesn't sound good, the weed taste is strong enough, much better to find everclear or high proof rum. If you're using high-grade bud boiling would knock off a lot of the trichomes, but if you're using shake it might be worthwhile as it gets rid of some the inactive stuff. I was under the impression that decarboxylation significantly increased potency. If it isn't, wouldn't it be more efficient and much better tasting to make BHO or QWISO with the weed and then dissolve it in the alcohol?
 
I'm thinking of doing it this way based on what i've heard in this thread and doing a little research.

Put 1.5 grams in oven at about 150 degrees for 10-15 minutes watching closely
Leave in 1/3 bottle 151 proof rum for 3-4 weeks
drop a strong blotter in there over night

Consume...enjoy :)
 
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