☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

[psood0nym]

^The 2005 "European batch" lists 100ug as being the threshold effects dosage. This is consistent with kong's recent post indicating people getting effects with as little as 100ug (assuming kong didn't get that figure from Erowid). Looking at the 2006 "American" batch dosage/response curve compared to the 2005, it appears they're different chemicals or that the 2006 was a mixture with another chemical or something. The 2005 European batch dosages look pretty close to the batch that tested at 95 percent pure that is the subject of this thread.

Monijoro's quoted text that gives the lethal dose for one person to be estimated at 700ug suggests that bromo-DFly is either highly unpredictable even at dosages within the normal range or that that the lethal 1mL dosage at 0.69 mg/mL was measured improperly.

 

[kong]

^I got the feeling that the 100mcg report involved a lot more than threshold effects. That's why I'm worried this batch is more potent than previous installments.

I didn't get that report from erowid.

 

[moniorojo]

For this batch I'd say threshold would be under 100 ugs. So maybe from 50 to 500 ugs would be the dosage with the latter bordering suicidal with the info we have at the moment.
A friend tried one of the previous batches and suggests it was less potent or maybe even cut compared to this one. The dosages for that batch were similar to DOI's as reported by my friend.

But we talked a lot about this evening and I´ll try to write a 3rd person report tomorrow for the 1mg doses.

Thanks for your report and please do write for your friends.

 

[Xorkoth]

Wow, this is every bit as potent as LSD then. But with a MUCH lower safety threshold.

 

[Rorthron]

Wow, this is every bit as potent as LSD then. But with a MUCH lower safety threshold.

Actually it is slightly more potent. Please check:

Parker et al. 1998 A Novel (Benzodifuranyl)aminoalkane
with Extremely Potent Activity at the
5-HT2A Receptor1. J. Med. Chem. 1998, 41, 5148-5149

The PDF is here:

http://www.unc.edu/~dlinz/Papers/A Novel (Benzodifuranyl)aminoalkane.pdf

From the paper: "Thus, benzodifuran 3 (Bromo DragonFly) is the most potent known ligand for the 5-HT2A receptor. It is the first arylethylamine derivative to surpass LSD in potency in a behavioral assay and the first compound with LSD-like activity to have an aromatic nucleus other than benzene or indole"

How can people still are trying to take this substance is beyond my comprehension!

 

[invert]

Actually it is slightly more potent. Please check:

Parker et al. 1998 A Novel (Benzodifuranyl)aminoalkane
with Extremely Potent Activity at the
5-HT2A Receptor1. J. Med. Chem. 1998, 41, 5148-5149

The PDF is here:

http://www.unc.edu/~dlinz/Papers/A Novel (Benzodifuranyl)aminoalkane.pdf

From the paper: "Thus, benzodifuran 3 (Bromo DragonFly) is the most potent known ligand for the 5-HT2A receptor. It is the first arylethylamine derivative to surpass LSD in potency in a behavioral assay and the first compound with LSD-like activity to have an aromatic nucleus other than benzene or indole"

Blimey, and that was just the racemic form of it!

It should also be noted that 3 was synthesized here as the racemate. If, as previously observed for hallucinogenic phenethylamines, the activity is found to reside primarily in the R enantiomer, it would be expected to exhibit approximately twice the potency of the racemic material.

Thanks for link to paper.

 

[SWIMdidit]

Scary story, and it could have been even worse had the batch spread further.

 

[delsymfan]

One of the main Erowid guys. I think he's the main Trip Reports guy.

They seem like they've been pretty quick about posting info on this whole thing. I'm sure just an email will do.

At the very least maybe they can put something up on the BDF page stating that this batch could still be fucked up or something. It would be nice to have some sort of warning up there.

Or that this batch is stronger etc...

 

[LabRatNW]

Actually it is slightly more potent. Please check:

Parker et al. 1998 A Novel (Benzodifuranyl)aminoalkane
with Extremely Potent Activity at the
5-HT2A Receptor1. J. Med. Chem. 1998, 41, 5148-5149

The PDF is here:

http://www.unc.edu/~dlinz/Papers/A Novel (Benzodifuranyl)aminoalkane.pdf

From the paper: "Thus, benzodifuran 3 (Bromo DragonFly)* is the most potent known ligand for the 5-HT2A receptor. It is the first arylethylamine derivative to surpass LSD in potency in a behavioral assay and the first compound with LSD-like activity to have an aromatic nucleus other than benzene or indole"

Why people still are trying to take this substance is beyond my comprehension!

*Notice that these compounds (in the paper) are NOT the 2C-x-fly/2C-x-Dfly derivatives, but the amphetamine (DOx-fly/DOx-Dfly) derivatives. Would you take 18mg of DOB? HELL NO you wouldn't. It'd kill you sure as you're reading this now. He took significantly more than the expected threshold dose. I can't imagine taking that much of any DOx compound. Most of those are considered dangerous overdose at 5-10mg. The 2C variants of these compounds are much more mellow and forgiving than their amphetamine counterparts.

The sample, to me, appears in the Spanish Marquis test to be combined with something else. It produces a MUCH more intense chromophore when its treated with the Marquis reagent. And marquis tests are "general idea" tests and not definitive. Even on a mass spec it may be difficult to distinguish between the DOx and the 2C-x. I would love to get a hold of mass spectra of 2C-B, DOB, and both of their Fly and DFly counterparts, just to look at and compare.

From reading the paper, I also gathered that DOB-DFly is an extremely potent 5-HT2C target, and that should account for the side effects that it has compared to the DOB-Fly, and why it has a lower margin of error as compared to LSD. LSD has a threshold dose of about 30ug. That would mean, according to whats in the paper, the threshold dose would be about 16ug. So if pure active isomer were used, it would be closer to 8-9ug. Unless you have a good way to verify your RC... BE CAREFUL.

 

[DocGonzo]

OMFG... I feel kind of stupid/chilly/depressed, but I only just stumbled upon this today. I was one of the very first to order on September 28th and receive the supposed 2C-B-FLY from DH (I live in a country close by). I've been on the verge of taking 15 mg of it earlier this month (twice actually and obviously getting too comfortable with my trusted vendors cause I had no intention of allergy testing things this time - which I frequently do) but somehow ended up taking something else instead. I'm shocked and fucking lucky I guess.

First of all my deepest, deepest regrets to the people who have died and the ones who they left behind, including DH, who, to put it frankly, was dealing, but a very nice bloke to deal with, maybe even a bit naive (also considering the way he died). He was always nice and responsive and provided me with some free royal samples when his scale went a bit out of tune a couple of months back (causing him to send out slightly underweight orders, he immediately got a new scale though).
Damn, even the RIP message on another vendors site didn't ring any bells with me, I thought it may be another guy or he died in a car crash or something.
And of course last but not least all the very best to the people who survived like LoveBlue, JoanMiro (seen you on UD in the past) and others, I'm so truely freaking glad that you're still alive.
Also thanks for the huge 'quiet but loud' damage control actions by people here and on Erowid, great job.

I will never ever use the B1 stuff that was sent to me, even if it IS some 'relatively good' B-DFLY (of which I'm not yet convinced), because it has a nasty taste to it (metaphorically speaking... bad karma) and I've been offered it before and declined because it just ain't my POISON anyway. I still don't know what to do with it though. Maybe useful for another lab for testing purposes. I'm not so sure if flushing it down the toilet or putting it into the waste bin is such a safe method of disposal...

Maybe to shed some new light onto things (or maybe not), I was talking with DH half September about his announcement of the new phen and the new trypt. Of course he wouldn't tell what they were gonna be, but I asked him for 2C-B-FLY and 4-AcO-DMT, because I have never tried the former and would love to see a cheap latter. About the first one he said that that wasn't an option, although he had tried having it made, and about the trypt he said it was illegal in Denmark being an ester to psilocin. To further quote him directly on the 2C-B-FLY: "The new phen is closely related though, even more special than the 2C-B-FLY". That could have maybe been B-DFLY? And maybe the cause of any mix-ups? I guess we'll never know what, how or by whom. Shortly after that he came with the 2C-B-FLY after all, we even joked about that and he said "It was kind of a lucky shot"... if only he fucking knew. And I. I feel fucking partly responsible now for contributing in planting that 2C-seed in his head and the deaths that followed :'(

 

[pofacedhoe]

well from what i can tell vasoconstriction or not this chemical is dangerous and the potential benefits are nothing that could not be had from any other psychedelic.

cost benefit analysis is what is used in business for determining what decisions to make

when it comes to RC's maybe weighing up the cost ( potential gangrene/death) versus the benefit (getting high on a not particularly special psychedelic) may help us make good decisions. in this case the benefits are low/moderate but the risks are high.

not exactly encouraging is it? why not have some 4aco-dmt instead

 

[joanmiro]

I'm shocked and fucking lucky I guess.

DocGonzo...I am just amazed and truly happy that you are here today! For if you had taken a full 2c-b-fly dose, you surely wouldn't be!

Be grateful!

And don't feel guilty at all about our deceased friend...it's not your fault

 

[DocGonzo]

^ Thanks a lot mate! Hope you feeling a little better every day! I'm very very grateful I didn't take it... I was definitely going to take it this weekend and deceided to browse BL for peoples experiences (I check the Big & Dandy's most of the times but not always) and found this horrible news. You all saved my life. "Thank you" doesn't sound like enough.

 

[Voltech]

I asked the guy who done the marquis:

the reason why there are diferences between the colors of the marquis spots is that the mastersample is a solution of brdrfly, and the sample from haupt was powder and they make a solution with a higher concentration.

 

[nervousone]

BDFLY in a solution (by itself) or raw BDFLY powder should react the same color..

 

[moniorojo]

BDFLY in a solution (by itself) or raw BDFLY powder should react the same color..

It's the same colour but more intense that's all

 

[TokeDaCryp]

i almost threw away my powder of this stuff when i read about the deaths. but after seeing the tests and whatnot ive decided to keep it. a friend of mine was also informed about all the events surrounding this substance and insisted on trying half a mg, and so he did.

From half a mg he said he felt nothing, only a mild headache that went away fast.

the next time he asked me about it he tried 1mg and really really liked it, said it was stronger than 2 hits of some acid i recently had (it was goooood cid, i think it was the first time i did actual cid) and it lasted a long whiiile.

honestly, i dont think i will do it ever, but i just thought i'de throw this info out there. i told him to write a report but said he might, he's lazy.

 

[delsymfan]

how accurate do you think his measuring was sir? I like the news but it seems odd that .5mg would do nothing.

Is the guy a big guy by any chance? weight does matter. Any info would be nice.

And im a bit confused how he felt it was stronger than your acid trip? Or was it acid you had that you gave him? Just clarifying.

 

[TokeDaCryp]

well, as for the measuring. i weighed 1mg to the point where it would not change at all from 0mg and jump to 1 mg, then back down, then back up. my friend J and my friend C split that <1mg and nothing happened, they only wanted more to see if they could trip off it.

for his 2nd trial, i weighed a solid 1mg, no jumpin around on the scale or anything. My friend J ate the whole thing this time and within 1 hour staid things started to move and such, i drove around, went to gamestop and he commented that it was getting stronger. After a while i left to go to work.
Later that night i talked to him and he said "this shit is tight dude, ill definitely want more later" he was still trippin, i think he went somewere and drank a little.
As for his body weight, i wouldnt say he weighs more than 140lb. Maybe it is the impurities in the substance that are making it so larger amounts have to be taken, or my friend just does alot of drugs and his body is fine with it. i really dont know.
As for the comparison to acid, I had some cid we both tried (2 hits) and that was a decently hard trip. he compared his trip of those 2 really good hits to the BrDFLY trip and said that the BrDFLY was stronger

ill see if he can write some details or tell me more about it.

Ill post any other info I can on that TR or any other ones.

 

[Sturnam]

Just be really careful, as most scales are +/- a few milligrams

This means that especially if you're going higher, the 1mg could be 1.9mg, since it's not yet 2mg, and then the error could be -1, so there could actually be 2.9mg worst case scenario. Or, it could be less than 1mg with scale error, maybe only 250ug, which might lead them to taking more since "1mg" wasn't enough. This would be equally as bad.

Just dilute it with lots of water, so that if there's a mess up, it won't be as bad, especially if you're not taking it all at once. Please, liquid measurment this one. Scales are more accurate (mine was at least) after the first 5-10mg of substance.