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What was Jesus trying to do?

He was trying to evoke forgiveness, to teach people patience and love, rather then judgementalism and hate, which spreads like malignancy. Tought that love goes a long way, expands into healing and through that, to heal the karma that people carry around them. To create some ethics, compassion, empathy, and let go or restlessness by giving out to others, and hence receive the inner peace that people search for endlessly unable to conceive it.
Well, all this and much more! Such as to go within, to meet the kingdom of heaven which every one has within!
 
Ok Jesus and Christianity as a whole is a sham.

5000 years ago their were a series of like gnostic circles identified today as the "mystery" religions.

They ALL consisted of a saviour, the sun of god, who went through the whole Jesus thing. Born on the december solstice, reborn on the spring solstice, 12 disciples, 3 kings, baptized at age 30, yada yada yada....



A notable one is ancient egypt, in which it was horus.


Jesus wasn't really the son of god, he was the sun god.

Another thing, Christianity was NEVER meant to be taken literally, but rather in the same manner as the prosperous and forgiving eastern religions of our day, sin literally means "missing the mark", and hell: "the place where trash burns". So if you got in an argument, you were down in the dumps.

Sorry for all you lieralists still believing in an entity called god and his sun Jesus who will send you to a hot, underground jail when you die....Ha, i pity the fools!
 
^I pity the fact your quoting the film 'Zeitgeist' ;).

Jesus wasn't really the son of god, he was the sun god.
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Or more likely, just the sun.

Either way- phonetically sun and son are similar, but- english wasn't spoken back then.

Another thing, Christianity was NEVER meant to be taken literally, but rather in the same manner as the prosperous and forgiving eastern religions of our day, sin literally means "missing the mark", and hell: "the place where trash burns". So if you got in an argument, you were down in the dumps.
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Hmm, sources for that? Why would ancient Judeans have been referring to "trash"- which is a realtively 'new' word...?
 
Well to answer your question Jesus didnt "try" to do anything. He DID something!

Jesus stepped out of eternity, into time. He is fully man and fully God. He walked this earth blameless and perfect, without sin. He came to this earth to be the Holy sacrifice, baring all of our sins on the cross. Basicly he did what we couldnt do, going to hell for us in our stead. Its only because of the work he did on the cross that we can be in right standing with God (That is if your one of Gods Elect). I thank him today for what he did for me!! Today I have 1 year 8 months clean from Heroin.

DJ Grace
ELECTED
 
i would recommend "the gnostic gospels" by elaine pagels (i think that's her name) for commentaries on or "the gnostic bible" for translations of suppressed scriptures that were written at about the same time as the new testament. TOTALLY different take on Jesus than the orthodox scriptures.
 
so did he really exist. one would think that a man of his calibre would have been written about extensively by the scholars of the time. even without miracles.
like the boogey man its all childhood conditioning to scare us into being good little boys and girls. if you dont believe in gentle jesus meek and mild you gonna burn in hell for all eternity- just ask noahs ex neighbours; he (jesus/god/allah) drowned the lot of them & everybody else on the earth at the time.
the facts present themselves but we will believe whatever keeps us in the clan
 
He was just trying to upset the status quo. Jesus was just an really old school hippy trying to overthrow the current oppressive system. He was just a black man being held down by whitie and decided he wouldn't take that shit no more. Keep in mind that the people who wrote the bible were the pupils of Peter. They never even met Jesus. They knew Jesus in the way Peter spoke about him.
 
Jesus understood manifestation (ask for what you desire and you shall have it; if you don't receive it, it is because your intentions are impure) and many spiritual concepts. If he existed, his miracles were most likely just forms of magick that he could use. He was trying to help fellow humans like many other renowned figures in history.
 
I have had conversations about this before.... Heated ones, the last supper picture in my kitchen and myself. I got the gist of it though....
 
the dude just had a personal motivation... kinda like when you just all of a sudden want to go run or go do something out of nowhere... but really nobody knows, and religion is man's way of controling people... believe whatever your heart tells you to
 
I remember the time Jesus tried to save someone that was drowning and disappeared from the sea's surface, it was too bad Jesus walked on water...
 
Papa said:
I picked up a bible last night, Luke 14-ish. I don't know why I should have been, but I was surprised at the amount of poor-helping Jesus instructed people to do.

Now, without the getting into Heaven motivation, what do you think Jesus could have been trying to do? What sort of scheme do you think he had? Why was he trying to spread extreme altruism? Personal empathy? Some sort of new power structure? Or do you think maybe that spreading a key to Heavenly afterlife isn't separable from what Jesus was about?

What're the points of christian morals?
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Jesus was in touch with his true self, his spirituality and his soul. His joys and rewards were doing good, valiant and compassionate deeds.

So many of us are so distant from our souls we can not comprehend living in this way. Jesus was showing us how to live.
 
I am partial to liberation theology's take:

Per this picture, Judaism was originally established to set up a framework where humans could live harmoniously, as brothers, with no kings (or pharaohs, as it were). Over time, people entrenched these rules in institutions, establishing a new hierarchy of rule, culminating in new kings on earth, the same problem that inspired such faith as a response.

Jesus attempted to remind everyone of the real point of living piously, but with an interstitial, 'drop out and create a new utopia in the nooks and crannies of the old' approach. Hence turning the other cheek and rendering to Cesar.

Now, clearly, Jesus's framework has reverted to functioning embedded in hierarchical rule, but with little blips of liberatory revival on the map...it's no coincidence that the first anarchists were Xian. In this scheme, Mohamed fulfills a Jesus-like role.

(note: this is a sociological take, missing serious consideration of the mystical.)
 
ebola? said:
I am partial to liberation theology's take:
(note: this is a sociological take, missing serious consideration of the mystical.)
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Derr, really? ;P I mean what other type of perspective would elevate fixing social hierarchy to the center of Jesus' teachings? Anyway, just giving you shit.

My take on Jesus' intentions is similar to my take on any master's intention; to facilitate direct recognition and access to one's true self.
 
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ebola? said:
I am partial to liberation theology's take:

Per this picture, Judaism was originally established to set up a framework where humans could live harmoniously, as brothers, with no kings (or pharaohs, as it were). Over time, people entrenched these rules in institutions, establishing a new hierarchy of rule, culminating in new kings on earth, the same problem that inspired such faith as a response.

Jesus attempted to remind everyone of the real point of living piously, but with an interstitial, 'drop out and create a new utopia in the nooks and crannies of the old' approach. Hence turning the other cheek and rendering to Cesar.

Now, clearly, Jesus's framework has reverted to functioning embedded in hierarchical rule, but with little blips of liberatory revival on the map...it's no coincidence that the first anarchists were Xian. In this scheme, Mohamed fulfills a Jesus-like role.

(note: this is a sociological take, missing serious consideration of the mystical.)
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Amen to this. Glad to know I'm not the only one here who knows Liberation Theology.

I'd say in general, spiritually inspiring people who succeed in becoming sainted historical figures tend be ones whose inspiring message carries a strong impetus to correct society's injustices. I think since the dawn of humanity, there have been countless such people, and they emerge whenever needed at large.
 
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don't know for sure if the historical jesus existed
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there was in fact a man named Jesus who lived in (or from?) Nazareth at the proper time, and he was in fact a carpenter. Josephus documented a single line about the man (that he existed and was a carpenter), but that is all that exists in historical fact about the story. a single line.
 
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tathra said:
there was in fact a name named Jesus who lived in (or from?) Nazareth at the proper time, and he was in fact a carpenter. Josephus documented a single line about the man (that he existed and was a carpenter), but that is all that exists in historical fact about the story. a single line.
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You know that something like 40 historians lived around the area when Jesus was meant to be DJing, and only 3-4 actually documented him; or at least Christ, which meant annointed one. Probably talking about people from foam parties.
 
I believe that Jesus was a spiritually mature, "enlightened" man who was trying to spread the message that many others have received, that being to live your life in love, and spread love around. He was trying to help everyone to

I'm sure he wanted everyone to listen; I am also sure he did not intend for a religion to ngrow up around his teachings. I think he would weep at the state of modern Christianity for the most part. I also think that he was not trying to say that he is the son of "god" in some way that makes him superior to us or more perfect. I think when he said he was the son of "god", he meant it in the same way that we all are. He was trying to say that we all have equal potential to live moral and enlightened lives. I think he was 2000 or so years ahead of his time, trying to help humanity evolve as we are hopefully going to be doing soon.

His teachings were beautifully simple and common sense. Love everyone, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Especially the second one, anyone with any sort of intellectual and moral maturity can see that this is the only way to live as a society, the only way a society can truly succeed.

Also, he didn't write anything down. Other people wrote down what they claimed he said. So there's any amount of room for personal agendas coming through and inaccuracies.
 
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