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active ingredients in legal high "Charge"?

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My friends have been getting into this legal product called Charge lately. Active ingredients are unknown, but judging by the look and taste it seems to resemble cut mephedrone. However I've also read reports that it may contain an unknown methcathinone analogue, or flephedrone. Any thoughts on what could be in it? Has anyone else tried it? Because I sure don't want to snort anything with notorious vasoconstriction issues. :)
 
I believe it's 3-fluoromethcathinone, which doesn't raise *as many* issues as mephedrone, but still is one to be very careful with.
 
ebola? said:
What's up with all these mystery-drugs in the UK?
Can you get accurately named, uncut drugs as easily?

ebola
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across most parts of europe "speed" is horribly cut racemic amphetamine which should be more expensive than american (d)-methamph.(per dose).
 
Also, as I understand it, in the UK, there are a whole host of "dirty stimulant" type drugs which can still be obtained legally....or semi-legally. In the US, similar drugs are, almost without exception, completely illegal. The logical result is that in the UK, you find a plethora of legal or semi-legal stimulant/emapthogenic drugs. These are often comprised of a mixture of several, related drugs. These "mystery pills" DO have one advantage in the UK when compared to the typical drugs in this category (speed, ecstacy ,etc). In the UK these mystery pills are often legal alternatives to illegal drugs. They can be purchased over the internet without much concern of legal consequence. Of course the downside is that these alternatives are almost always far more toxic then their illegal counterparts.

The reason you dont really see these in the US is that in most cases, these alternatives are just as illegal as the drugs they seek to mimic. Thus, someone in the US is not likely to buy something like mephedrone instead of MDMA, since mephedrone is more dangerous, less enjoyable, and inferior in every way to MDMA...and on top of this, it really would be considered just as illegal as MDMA. So why buy an inferior drug which doesnt have the upside of being legal or quasi legal. I believe that once the UK catches up and starts really cracking down on drugs like mephedrone and the cathinones, you will see their sales drop way off.-DG
 
across most parts of europe "speed" is horribly cut racemic amphetamine which should be more expensive than american (d)-methamph.(per dose).
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What? I live in europe and I can get great speed. It's usually racemic meth.
 
dread said:
What? I live in europe and I can get great speed. It's usually racemic meth.
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let me guess. you're from finland/scandinavia?

in eastern europe meth is quite common. in the eastern part of germany it starts to get more popular too. we already have problems with full blown methheads.

i've heard of meth hitting scandinavia mainly finland to some extend.-hence the guess regarding you origin.

in most parts of western-europe meth is practically unheard of.
 
daddysgone said:
Also, as I understand it, in the UK, there are a whole host of "dirty stimulant" type drugs which can still be obtained legally....or semi-legally. In the US, similar drugs are, almost without exception, completely illegal. The logical result is that in the UK, you find a plethora of legal or semi-legal stimulant/emapthogenic drugs. These are often comprised of a mixture of several, related drugs. These "mystery pills" DO have one advantage in the UK when compared to the typical drugs in this category (speed, ecstacy ,etc). In the UK these mystery pills are often legal alternatives to illegal drugs. They can be purchased over the internet without much concern of legal consequence. Of course the downside is that these alternatives are almost always far more toxic then their illegal counterparts.

The reason you dont really see these in the US is that in most cases, these alternatives are just as illegal as the drugs they seek to mimic. Thus, someone in the US is not likely to buy something like mephedrone instead of MDMA, since mephedrone is more dangerous, less enjoyable, and inferior in every way to MDMA...and on top of this, it really would be considered just as illegal as MDMA. So why buy an inferior drug which doesnt have the upside of being legal or quasi legal. I believe that once the UK catches up and starts really cracking down on drugs like mephedrone and the cathinones, you will see their sales drop way off.-DG
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mephedrone is dangerous but is not really that similar to mdma and its extremely moreish and very euphoric. if someone who was addicted to meph had to chose between it and mdma i'm sure they would choose meph. it might be dangerous and have a toxic metabolite but the high feels very rushy and unlike anything else i have had (except maybe amazing quality coke). it makes you horny as hell and you can have three day runs-this is not the same as mdma (and therefore when compared in that light will be seen as lacking).

its ridiculously addictive and the absense of mdma has made this worse but this drug would be a problem on its own anyway:\
 
Also, as I understand it, in the UK, there are a whole host of "dirty stimulant" type drugs which can still be obtained legally....or semi-legally.
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As with the US (unless you count a potential, dodgy extension of the analogue laws as rendering a substance "illegal"). However, they're sold through RC distributors as what they are.

ebola
 
nasir~ said:
let me guess. you're from finland/scandinavia?

in eastern europe meth is quite common. in the eastern part of germany it starts to get more popular too. we already have problems with full blown methheads.

i've heard of meth hitting scandinavia mainly finland to some extend.-hence the guess regarding you origin.

in most parts of western-europe meth is practically unheard of.
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Hehe, you guess well. Actually meth has been in finland since the 70:s. Back then we used to make it ourself, nowdays clandestine production is a lot more rare due to cheap meth flooding in from russia and estonia.

We still have amphetamine too, and sometimes you can get a coctail of amphetamine and meth in the same powder.
 
It also depends on the isomers. Both the meth and the amp can be either dextro or racemic. However I won't start speculating which mixture does what, since I don't know for sure what isomers were used in which dope...
 
I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that meth is nearly always dextro-meth, since it's mostly made from ephedrine or psuedoephedrine.

amphetamine is more likely to be racemic, though.
 
That's in clandestine syntheses coming out of the US. IIRC, the shit coming out of Eastern Europe more often begins with P2P or PPA. . .

ebola
 
IIRC, the shit coming out of Eastern Europe more often begins with P2P or PPA. . .
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True. Reductive amination of phenylacetone with methylamine or nitromethane is AFAIK what they use, and that synth gives racemic, unless the isomers are separated afterwards. And few clandestine chemists bother with it, since it's a 50% loss of product = 50% loss of profit...
 
Compared to d-meth, racemic meth should release about the same amount of NE, a bit less DA, and a lot less 5HT.
 
I haven't really seen amphetamines in the UK since the mid-to-late 90s. I always thought meth was an American thing because that seems virtually non-existant here. What are all these different types and what are they like?
 
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