IV Heroin User Switching to Dilaudid (Hydromorphone), Dosage and procedure questions

[BlisstoDevastation]

I'm a IV heroin user with a pretty big habit (like 12 bags a day; 4 bags per shot), who may be forced to switch to IVing Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) due to lack of the other product and other circumstances. I was trying to figure out a proper dose; everything I read about Dilaudid makes it seem like it is one of the better pharms out there (especially to IV), but I haven't been having good experiences at all.

First off, the dilaudid I'm getting are these generic 4mg pills (white with "M" on one side, "4" on the other), which are VERY LARGE in my opinion, especially when you are trying to dissolve the powder from the few of them for a shot. Everything I have read seems to claim that these can be IV'ed, but they have been giving me trouble. I don't know if the dose is too low, or I'm not doing things correctly or what.

I have been crushing the pills, dropping them into warm water, stirring like crazy, filtering and shooting. A LOT of white shit is left in the spoon after filtering. I am assuming this is all useless filler (since theres only 4mg of drug in there and a hell of a lot more than 4mg of powder), but I could be wasting drug as well. However, I'd rather waste a LITTLE drug than try to melt down that garbage and put it into my arm; I have heard that people do this, and I'm not going down that road. So is there a more effective way of doing this, or am I pretty much on target?

With this being said, I have IVed about 12 mgs at a time with this procedure, and I barely feel a rush. It stopped my dope sickness, and that was all. Do I need to be dosing like 16-20 mg to feel what I do in my normal dope shot (about 4 bags)? And if so, is that even POSSIBLE with these generics? That would be a huge amount of powder to dissolve. I'm sure I could do it, like 2, 4mg pills in the spoon at once, get the liquid solution, repeat..combine liquids and shoot. If it is the case that I need to be dosing like 16-20 mgs of this stuff at once, I'm pretty much screwed, the prices are way too high; it's simply not feasible.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions, advice, etc.

 

[MemphisX3]

if you're doing a 4 bag shot to get high get some fucking help

having said that you'd prolly find a 16mg shot a nice feeling


although you will feel a rush with 4-12

i would start with 4 and work your way up


and yeah most likely you will need a 3ml syringe to be getting all those m4's in one shot

 

[Syd_Barret]

christ, a 3ml syringe to iv something?
That just sounds wrong....

 

[Jimston]

Don't get hooked on Dilaudid, it's much more difficult to kick in my opinion. You'll be begging for death a few weeks later after continued use. Even if it's a small IV habit of 4-8mg per day.

Also take into account that there isn't a substantial opiate high associated with Hydromorph use. There is times where you'll catch a nod, and maybe feel really buzzed for a few hours, but you're tolerance will sky rocket even faster then it would with dope.

In order to even expect multiple rushes per day, you must spread out each shot between 5-6 hours at least, but you will notice a serious lack of goodness having quickly developed a tolerance in 2 days or so.

Honestly, the only way to use dilaudid, in my opinion, is a once in a while treat that is not to be abused. When you're supply runs out, and it will, or always does, you'll be wishing you were dead.

Don't take this message personally, i only want to help others avoid the brutal suffering i've gone through having lived through many Dilly binges.

Take care.

 

[BlisstoDevastation]

if you're doing a 4 bag shot to get high get some fucking help

having said that you'd prolly find a 16mg shot a nice feeling


although you will feel a rush with 4-12

i would start with 4 and work your way up


and yeah most likely you will need a 3ml syringe to be getting all those m4's in one shot

To the first comment, yes, I agree.

I don't know about 3ML syringes, I don't get anything other than 1cc.

For the most part, is my procedure correct? Should there be all that excess stuff being filtered out? You aren't talking about banging all of that, are you (with the 3ml syringe comment)?

 

[Jimston]

Also, if you IV'd 12mg, and felt barely anything, it means you're tolerance from dope is the guilty party.

Using Morphine, heroin or Dilaudid in combination, or even by them selves will result in cross tolerences.

All these opiates are related or stem from the same exact plant, "the poppy".

 

[Jimston]

You wanna use about 45cc's of water, or 45 units if it's a small syringe.

Crush the pill into a fine powder.

Throw the powder in the spoon.

Add only cool water, no hot water.

Mix very good

Drop medium sized cotton in spoon

Then draw up the solution through the cotton.

You want it to be as clear as possible, but keep in mind, save the cottons in a sterile place, and use them once you've gathered a few if you're sick some day and without anything else.

Take it easy though, this is 10xtimes more powerful then D, just trying to help.

 

[MemphisX3]

^yeah then take that an muiltiply it by 4 pretty big pills with plenty of binders and shit and he will need a very big syringe.


crush the pill in a mcdonalds straw with your teeth=healthiest way to crush

 

[someone123]

Dissolve in cold water!

And for god sake, use a Micron filter and Luer lock type syringe.

If you don't have access to this, filter through a cotton as usual, then pack an oral syringe with qtip tips and backload that fucker with the 1x filtered shot. Shoot that into a clean spoon/cap/whatever and cotton filter one more time. Bam, fingers in the pussy.

 

[BlisstoDevastation]

I'm still a bit confused, concerned about prep. Everyone just suggests adding water, mixing, and drawing through a filter. I'm used to heroin where everything dissolves, but these pills (m4's) are definitely not completely dissoving. Should I assume that all the drug IS dissolving and that is just binder and worthless crap being left behind? I have yet to get a straight answer on this, I just: 1. Want to get my money's worth, not waste shit, 2. Not bang a whole bunch of disgusting pill binder etc.

This is more of an issue because I need to do like 4 of these things..I guess the best way would be to dissolve 2 pills worth of powder at once (with like half .5 cc of water)?], then combine, the end result being a full 1cc barrel of drug solution (nearly clear) Otherwise we are talking about simply too much powder. There's no way I could crush 4 pills and dump the powder into 1cc of water, hoping to stir and form a solution..simply too much binder..

Sorry if slow on this one, this is new to me...Prepping an H shot is just so damn easy (especially with good East Coast powder I'm used to); Throw basically as much powder as I want into about .7cc of water, mix, draw up and bang - everything dissolves...I could probably dissolve 5 bags worth in .5 cc of water if I had to..So dealing with all this pill mess is a lot of work

 

[BlisstoDevastation]

For those that are experienced with both, would you say the high from IVing one bag of dope (average quality) is similar to one Iving one 4mg Dilaudid pill? I have heard people claim those two can be somewhat equated....

 

[Syd_Barret]

45 ccs of water?
You realize how much liquid that is right?

 

[MemphisX3]

45 ccs of water?
You realize how much liquid that is right?

he prolly thinks the OP had k4s not the m4's


i remember the last time i did some m4s (easily over a year ago) i did two and i needed a full cc

 

[Syd_Barret]

haha, yeah theres obviously some kind of error on someones part... cause 45 ccs.... thats 45 insulin rigs...

rofl

 

[chrismarleyxd]

To the op: after you shoot your shot, you can add more water to the spoon, mix up, filter, and bang again to assure u got all the good shit out. then u can just eat the rest of the shit if you want to throw it out. i usually just lick it off the spoon

 

[vicodelicious]

As I recall, the M4 Dilaudid's aren't THAT big of a pill guys... IMO they are rather small...

But I guess when you're trying to shoot 4 at a time... well.... ok....

 

[Captain.Heroin]

crush the pill in a mcdonalds straw with your teeth=healthiest way to crush

Until your teeth chomp through the straw and saliva has infiltrated your pill particles, which then makes it unsafe for IVing.

Have you all ever heard of a pill crusher?

It'd be a lot easier just to use a clean pill crusher.

As for the OP - just quit while you're ahead.

To the op: after you shoot your shot, you can add more water to the spoon, mix up, filter, and bang again to assure u got all the good shit out. then u can just eat the rest of the shit if you want to throw it out. i usually just lick it off the spoon

He should have essentially everything already - what's left in the spoon is filler and inactive ingredients - that which you do not need to get high.

If there is active ingredient left in it - that means you barely crushed up the pill to begin with and left huge chunks of it there when it should be decimated before preparing it for IV.

 

[BlisstoDevastation]

For those that are experienced with both, would you say the high from IVing one bag of dope (average quality) is similar to one Iving one 4mg Dilaudid pill? I have heard people claim those two can be somewhat equated....

After experimenting a bit, I think that this comparison is a decent one. A shot with 3 pills (12mgs) was quite nice, a rush comparable to a 3 bag H shot of decent quality powder. 4 pills in a shot will probably be my limit; it's a heck of a lot of powder, plus at a price I'm getting the Dilaudid, a WAAAY to expensive shot.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

After experimenting a bit, I think that this comparison is a decent one. A shot with 3 pills (12mgs) was quite nice, a rush comparable to a 3 bag H shot of decent quality powder. 4 pills in a shot will probably be my limit; it's a heck of a lot of powder, plus at a price I'm getting the Dilaudid, a WAAAY to expensive shot.

Thanks for the subjective report, this will help others trying to do rough conversions of dillies to dope. Of course dope varies in potency, but it's a nice estimation.

 

[MemphisX3]

Until your teeth chomp through the straw and saliva has infiltrated your pill particles, which then makes it unsafe for IVing.

Have you all ever heard of a pill crusher?

It'd be a lot easier just to use a clean pill crusher.

As for the OP - just quit while you're ahead.



He should have essentially everything already - what's left in the spoon is filler and inactive ingredients - that which you do not need to get high.

If there is active ingredient left in it - that means you barely crushed up the pill to begin with and left huge chunks of it there when it should be decimated before preparing it for IV.

oh forgive me sir, i forgot most of us junkies carry a duffel bag.


the average dude doing dope on the street isnt going to bother buying a pill crusher, keep a pill crusher on him, nor dealing with the struggles (legal and other wise) brought forth by a pill crush or container of any sort.


the straws are clean, easy access, easy to coneceal and serisouly who is going to ask why you have a grip of mcdonalds straws in your car door? Johnny law has no quarrels with fast food anything.

i was thinking in a broader tern C.H but perhaps thats why you got that nifty name tag


you're in OD brother not BDD

edit: and to add as a note. in the easily over 1000 times i have crush a k,e, or p 4 in a straw, i can count 2 times it has fail me.