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Repeated exposure to MDMA provides neuroprotection against subsequent MDMA-induced se

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Repeated exposure to sub-lethal insults has been reported to result in neuroprotection against a subsequent deleterious insult. The purpose of this study was to evaluate whether repeated exposure (preconditioning) to a non-5-HT depleting dose of MDMA in adult rats provides neuroprotection against subsequent MDMA-induced 5-HT depletion. Treatment of rats with MDMA (10 mg/kg, ip every 2 h for 4 injections) resulted in a 50–65% depletion of 5-HT in the striatum, hippocampus and cortex, and these depletions were significantly attenuated in rats that received a preconditioning regimen of MDMA (10 mg/kg, ip daily for 4 days). The 5-HT depleting regimen of MDMA also resulted in a 40–80% reduction in 5-HT transporter immunoreactivity (SERTir), and the reduction in SERTir also was completely attenuated in MDMA-preconditioned animals. Preconditioning with MDMA (10 mg/kg, ip) daily for 4 days provided neuroprotection against methamphetamine-induced 5-HT depletion, but not dopamine depletion, in the striatum. Additional studies were conducted to exclude the possibility that alterations in MDMA pharmacokinetics or MDMA-induced hyperthermia in rats previously exposed to MDMA contribute towards neuroprotection. During the administration of the 5-HT depleting regimen of MDMA, there was no difference in the extracellular concentration of the drug in the striatum of rats that had received 4 prior, daily injections of vehicle or MDMA. Moreover, there was no difference in the hyperthermic response to the 5-HT depleting regimen of MDMA in rats that had earlier received 4 daily injections of vehicle or MDMA. Furthermore, hyperthermia induced by MDMA during preconditioning appears not to contribute towards neuroprotection, inasmuch as preconditioning with MDMA at a low ambient temperature at which hyperthermia was absent did not alter the neuroprotection provided by the preconditioning regimen. Thus, prior exposure to MDMA affords protection against the long-term depletion of brain 5-HT produced by subsequent MDMA administration. The mechanisms underlying preconditioning-induced neuroprotection for MDMA remain to be determined.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=d685bb482c15eb7bb184f5e0514923b6

What do you guys think of this?
 
I haven't read the article but I would like to point out one thing, which may be irrelevant. If the 'neurotoxic' dose of MDMA was given within a week after the 'non neurotoxic' doses, then the reason that the 'neurotoxic' dose would not be neurotoxic, is because these 'non neurotoxic' doses would have caused a depletion in vesicular 5-HT stores. Without the vesicular 5-HT, and hence massive neuronal overactivation which would normally be caused by a hit of MDMA, the neurotoxicity will not occur.

As such, if the 'neurotoxic' dose of MDMA was given within a week of the 'non-neurotoxic' doses, this whole study is completely moot, in my opinion. The 'neurotoxic' dose would have to be given at least a month after the 'non-neurotoxic pretreatment' doses.
 
Agreed, it is rather pointless as no one will want to use the drug if it does not cause massive 5-ht release due to previous depletion.

But might this suggest that usage of full depleting dosages on consecutive days becomes decreasingly neurotoxic?

On a similar note: because MDMA is a cyp 450 substrate, preadministration of small doses the day prior to a full dose can greatly potentiate the drug. How was this not a factor in the study?
 
Agreed, it is rather pointless as no one will want to use the drug if it does not cause massive 5-ht release due to previous depletion.

But might this suggest that usage of full depleting dosages on consecutive days becomes decreasingly neurotoxic?

On a similar note: because MDMA is a cyp 450 substrate, preadministration of small doses the day prior to a full dose can greatly potentiate the drug. How was this not a factor in the study?

I dont agree as most ppl can still roll fine 2 das in a row, maybe not as potent but wish such a low dose before i dont see it being much of a problem.
 
what's interesting is that those non-neurotoxic preconditioning doses are 10mg/kg per day. for a 70kg human (discounting that rats are rather robust animals) that would be 700mg of mdma (ip!). i'm not worrying about neurotoxicity.
 
what's interesting is that those non-neurotoxic preconditioning doses are 10mg/kg per day. for a 70kg human (discounting that rats are rather robust animals) that would be 700mg of mdma (ip!). i'm not worrying about neurotoxicity.

Really? thats very interesting<3
 
I dont agree as most ppl can still roll fine 2 das in a row, maybe not as potent but wish such a low dose before i dont see it being much of a problem.

The second day is not rolling per se. It still functions as a potent CNS stimulant but if you take a hefty dose on day 1, there will be little 5-ht left to be released on day 2.

But it is odd because my understanding is that empty 5-ht vesicles are one of the major factors in the toxicity of MDMA along with toxic metabolites. This understanding would suggest that day 2 should be more injurious than day 1. Very odd indeed.
 
The second day is not rolling per se. It still functions as a potent CNS stimulant but if you take a hefty dose on day 1, there will be little 5-ht left to be released on day 2.

But it is odd because my understanding is that empty 5-ht vesicles are one of the major factors in the toxicity of MDMA along with toxic metabolites. This understanding would suggest that day 2 should be more injurious than day 1. Very odd indeed.

I dunno, the magic was fully there tough.

But yeah its interesting
 
but don't you still have DA release, 5ht depletion, and reversed SERT?
Puzzling indeed, but yeah, I don't know how one'd generalize from a study with such high doses. Ask the Brit's?
 
Keep in mind thats rats metabolism is alot faster than ours so the time to waiting between effective doses would be alot less
 
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