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Opium Conoisseurship

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Opium is a facinating natural drug preparation that rarely finds its way to the west. A rare treat, in the 87-88s I had a line on some great opium from a source in Berkley for some time (from a dead head that obtained a chunk the size of a small bowling ball presumably from burma.) Rather than the black tar opium that I tried on other susequent occasions (which was genuine)- I know because I used tar heroin for a decade and a half in later years and the taste was distinctly different. Sometimes floral ish, sometimes almost turpentineish in a good way and bitter. This tafy-goo was smoked with weed in almost all cases except one were we tried to use brillo pad in a crack pipe- bad idea- swallowed molten opium.8o. No vinegar taste and looked soft and pliable like opiated taffy. Quality varied but had the the slight distinctive "opium" taste in common.

However, my experience with the first type of opium was more wide spread and I consider it to have been of much superior quality (although more unrefined?). This was the stuff i had a line on for about 2.5 months. Only used on weekends- my friends would make van trips up there on weekends, and me on BAART a few times- that was very worth it. At any rate in started off with a slight strange almost bug spray ish or chemical spray on fertilizer ish peculiar impossible to describe taste. This quickly changed into a rather thick sweet tasting hard to describe most pleasant tasting incense taste that I can't describe but could probably easily pick out if i tasted again. Nothing like the irritating opium "incense/perfume" or other incense taste. This stuff was smooth too. It was not a black tar, but rather reminded me of a solid piece of yellowish brown rock candy. Maybe the taste was floral such as I heard decribed elsewhere but that was not my experience. I must say the taste was also had a sort of transcedential edge- I don't know if transcedential is the word I'm looking for, and I am sure there is another word used in wine terminology- but what I am decribing is a rare taste that elevates the senses to a higher level and makes the spirits soar. Something thrillingly exotic and all the more so when it is used to decribe opium- a product much less prosaic and exotic than wine. And the high- heroin was always somewhat energetic before the nod. Opium, by contrast, would put me in a pleasant, scratchy dream like state with pleasant scratches and beuatiful pinned eyes. The world, colors would tone down in a cooler soft watercolor way as opposed to bright color intensifcaton of some psychedelics/entactogens. The ability to produce pleasant dreams and eyes closed wiggles/distinct imagery-unlike hullucinogens, more like hypnagogic hallucinations right before following asleep but emphasize pleasant seams unique to this drug even though the main active drug is morphine- has effects distinct appart from smoking morphine or heroin. Heroin, which gets converted to morphine in the body again seemed to produce a qualitatively different high. The first time I smoked brown opium on a moody, overcast, clean fresh rainy day in San Jose after a cross county practice. The type of day you want to spend indoors by the fire- in november. Smoked by itself in a bowel with a tinny piece of brown thai bud in the bottom, I will forever connect this day and how I drealily floated off to paradise. Later, back at home I put on the record Houses of the Holy. The song "Rain song"- stands out in my mind as the all time perfect vibe for this-I laid down listenig it to on my bed as I noded into dreamland.. The taste was only mildly bitter compared to the black goo I smoked latter. I remember when she first ran out after a couple of months of having it she kicked haaaaard. Brought some kind to smoke with her- we had become friends. She unfortunately had a panic attack- later in my opiate addict days, buds never did much for me in early withdrawl either. She probably got on methadone I susspect now because when I visited her 5 days latter she was like a new women-but she was young (22- bounce back easier.) She seemed kind of older to me- I was 16-17 but she was thin, blond, and wore lots of skimpy sundresses.<3;) In a word she was a smoking hot older deadhead chick who I was smitten with lusted after intensely but never went past the friend stage because I was too young and didn't want to ruin a relationship with a good friend- and in all reality- my prospects weren't very good either- and I am glad I didn't try- we ended up becoming lond term friends, got inside scope on the female perspective, and realy I was way to young for her. Now getting waaaaayyy of topic, so continuing she moved to a house boat and became my source for some excellent quality mushrooms-which went further than anything to help me get lsid but thats another, but thats another story.

So for any connoisseurs out there, other than morphine content, what makes this product good and what constitutes opium of superlative quality. If nothing else, what are your experience with this wonderfull latex?

Rate on taste, high different from other opiates, method smoked, smell and taste, and were smoked (what country). Any difference between the taste of opium between different countries or species. How do ther alkaloids or constituents effect high. The rationale of the makers of pantopoon was that the drug had therapeutic effects above and beyond the opium and modest codeine content of this injectable formulation of opium salts.
 
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So buding opium commoisseurs describe the taste in your own words. What are the different varieties and what do they taste like. How to best maximize supply by smoking/vaporizing. More than one person has commented that from the point of view of harm reduction, opium is a safer form of injestion than smoking heroin or of course injecting heroin. The chance of ODing for someone smoking heroin with a dope habit is remote but theortically possible. However, the difficulty for novice users to OD from smoked opium is much less likely than with smoked heroin (were talking ideal world, pure material, also known as Cambodia or Laos. As habit forming as we all know opium is, it lacks the abuse potential of refined derivatives (I didn't say this, the writter of Opium for the Mases did. Acording to him, other consituents limit use by causing unpleasant symptoms in some cases and enhancing the high in others. He might be on to something- doesn't seem that there are enough people on BL with knowledge of this preparation to contribute basic info regarding taste, high, and more esoteric or spiritual aspects of the total experience. Quite a pity, really.:(
 
This post reminds me of Osama Bin Laden and I dont like it. Too much Opium needed to become a conoisseur. Especially seeing all those poppy fields.

Ah i'm just yankin your chain, but yeah, little Osama Bin Ladenesuqe.
 
I don't think you'll find many opium 'connoisseurs' since it's so rare in America, and even not many people who have even tried

And from what I understand, a lot of people who think they have tried likely had tar heroin
 
I don't think you'll find many opium 'connoisseurs' since it's so rare in America

BL isn't America ;)

But it's not widely used by enough posters for a connoisseurship thread, I suspect. I love the stuff but as long as it's good opium I've never worried too much about the taste or it's country of origin. It tastes of perfume and feels goood and that's enough for me :D
 
I had raw opium once and I found it by accident. I had bought a few poppy heads and while looking them over I noticed a shiny black hunk of goo on one of the stems just under the head of the poppy. I picked it off and used my old bong with some chor boy as a screen. The smoke was really nice! The taste was floral and the smoke was so smooth! It was very enjoyable and the high I got off that little bit was quite nice. I wish opium was more wide spread! I would love to try a larger amount and really get a feel for it but it just doesn't look like it`s in the cards for me.
 
I used to see occasional opium back in the 70's....but for every batch that was any good, there would be a dozen fakes.
 
It was very popular in Northeastern America during the late 90s and early 2000s. People had more than they knew what to do with. Even at a festival down South a group of us bought an ounce of raw brown (However, the African-American toothless hustler that sold it to us was definitely from Up North. My guess would be NY or D-Town.) It was amazing stuff that kept us in perpetua-dream-like state with every bowl smoked.

My experiences ran the gamut. From floaty and dream-like, to ecstatic, to lethargic and simply sleepy. I can't say I'm a connoisseur as I was never really paying too much attention to detail. If it comes around again, I think perhaps I'll savor it.
 
Wow guys, thanks for all the posts.

I had raw opium once and I found it by accident. I had bought a few poppy heads and while looking them over I noticed a shiny black hunk of goo on one of the stems just under the head of the poppy. I picked it off and used my old bong with some chor boy as a screen. The smoke was really nice! The taste was floral and the smoke was so smooth! It was very enjoyable and the high I got off that little bit was quite nice. I wish opium was more wide spread! I would love to try a larger amount and really get a feel for it but it just doesn't look like it`s in the cards for me.

Too bad more people won't get to try this wonderful. magical product. There is trully something special.

But it's not widely used by enough posters for a connoisseurship thread, I suspect. I love the stuff but as long as it's good opium I've never worried too much about the taste or it's country of origin. It tastes of perfume and feels goood and that's enough for me

I know its use is not widespread enough for there to be many opium connoisseurs on BL- I think I mentioned that too in my first or second thread, but one of these days we might run across more- all kinds of interesting cats here%). The taste of perfume- naysayers might sometimes like to say " yeah its cut with purfume" but my experience is that it had a delicious purfume taste but of a purfume that was unique and clearly naturally occuring in the opium. An intrisic component and characteristic of the preparation. The brown stuff I was getting ahold of I read once compared to raw opium that needed to be refined further and then specially prepared "cooked" for smoking. But, though I might have been a novice, smoking from a standard small pipe was more than enough for me with a little piece and long stem over buds ash or tiny bit of bud.

When I coutesyed doses at a MMT clinic in Fresno several years ago- there for a couple of weeks, acording to a counselor I saw there were patients there solely for opium smoking- Fresno has a large Hmong population- and they carried their traditional ways with them when they emmigrated from Vietnam and Laos (they were our allies against the communists.) There is a black market for opium in central CA but my understanding is it is very insular. Analogous to East African expatriates using khat and Yaa Baa busts in the Bay Area among SE asian communities are not unheard of. Also, backpackers from some developed nations have Cambodia and particularly Laos as popular destination among those inclined to drug tourism and last I heard opium is not unheard of, especially in Laos, one of them might have kept a travel journal (maybe even with tasting notes;)

To start off- for those who smoked it describe taste, method used to smoke, and how it appeared please.

As far as other opium pharmaceutical preparations, I have had deodorized tincture of opium- yum!!!. Paregoric- not so yum.

This post reminds me of Osama Bin Laden and I dont like it. Too much Opium needed to become a conoisseur. Especially seeing all those poppy fields.
Ah i'm just yankin your chain, but yeah, little Osama Bin Ladenesuqe.

I know you were making a joke, but on the topic, irronically, OBL's budies in the Taliban were one of the most effective opium supply reduction prohibitionists in recent history, ostensably because it is un islamic but really because they wanted to create a shortage to get more money for their product, analogous to the shit their finaciers and cash cows in Saudi and other oil sheikdom's do to manipulate the price of and market for oil. These Enemeies of Freedom would love to see every drug user beheaded in the streets, given their way, provided they already have all the jihadist and baby killing money they need.

Thanks for America and our support of capatalism the price of opium and ultimately heroin reached higher purity and lower prices in the first couple of years after the war in Afganistan. The blessing of capitalism and the American Way in practice. You Euros should be alittle nicer to us=D

Now I'm yanking your chain Colmes :p but I think this drug , smoked or eaten, might provide advantages from a harm reduction standpoint over morphine or heroin.

It grows all over the world but supposedly the best opium poppies favor exotic environments. Tropical highland environments- it doesn't like rain near harvest time but it does like trippy mist or fog acording to a book I recently read - in the mystical ways that tropical highlands become misty.

Getting back to Pantopoon, anybody ever use it IV? Acording to the manufacturer, it was supposed to have advantages over equianegesic doses of morphine SO4 like less nausea and a more tolerable side effect profile.8) Was the high different though and did anyone prefer it over other IV opiate preperations (dilaudid, oxymorphone, demerol, ect...)?
 
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Taken from "Dopium-Daze: Confessions of an Opium Eater In Laos" page 3 from another site.
Written by "Nina"

In the evening, we knock on the door of the alleged den. The door is opened to reveal a dumpy, middle-aged woman in pyjamas and slipslops. Eyeing us suspiciously, she asks what we want. Eric swallows. "Uh, we were, like wondering, if we could, um get something to smoke ?" She glares at him and closes the door. I want to run.I signal to Eric to beat it before she calls the cops. The door opens and she says, "Come, 11 o'clock," and slams the door. We return. Mama Opium is very jittery and hushes us, while pointing to a narrow flight of stairs leading to a loft.
Close your eyes and conjure up a fantasy of an Opium den; swathed in rich luxurious velvets and plump feather cushions, ambient music gently swirls around reclining smokers, their eyes closed in threads of bliss.
Well, forget that- here's the reality check. It's a loft. It's dirty and has raw floorboards and exposed ceiling beams. It's too vertically cramped for standing. Mama Opium brings her smoking paraphernalia up, together with a huffy "you're really pissing me off" attitude. Sultry siren seducing us with her wares, she is not. An irritable middle-aged, pastel pyjama wearing Lao woman she is. She prepares the pipe. It has a long bamboo stem, attached to a cylindrical bowl the size of a fist the one end. She has a sharp metal stick to prod with and a lamp filled with some kind of fuel.

She heats the Opium over the flame, until it becomes malleable. She inserts this into a small orifice in the pipe and demonstrates how I'm supposed to inhale, taking puffs into my mouth without interruption. I try to do this as she holds the pipe over the lamp, to keep the Opium vaporising . As it heats up, it starts to bubble and block the little hole. I inhale and Opium becomes more runny. She prevents it from dripping by channelling it back into the little hole. I can't sustain the single inhalation and the Opium blocks the pipe . She looks peeved at my lack of expertise . I try again ….with a bit more success. As we hit the street, I start to feel dizzy and nauseous. We sprawl out on our hotel bed, feeling floaty. The nausea goes away if you lie down.

Early in the morning, we head off the market. The people are dressed in full traditional regalia; still very much part of the way they live. Some of the women wear highly decorated headgear, with silver coinage from the French era, buttons and bits of bright beads, glass and cloth.

Walking in the direction of the Chinese border, we come across a middle-aged French tourist, engaged in an animated conversation with two tribal women in tiny skirts, and tops that leave their breasts exposed. I reckon he's titillated, but in denial.
We stop to chat. "oh, they're prostitutes." he claims. We are not convinced. The women are selling traditional, non-sexual Lao massages. This isn't what we're after, and sign that we want to smoke. They take us to the middle of a field where we find a simple bamboo construction. A stepladder leads up to the hut. There's soft grass and straw to lie on. The local Opium stoner is inside with his smoking set-up. He's a small, hairless man, neither friendly nor unfriendly. Open lands lie below cloudless skies. No traffic, no pollution - just birdcalls and buzz of pollen-seekers.
The women remove their tops. They are keen to massage us.
The stoner mixes up huge bowls, combining the Opium with some Aspirin. The taste is so deliciously yummy. It's like Candy. Like Coffee Candy. The women massage our legs and arms; a deep, hard muscle-relaxing massage that feels supremely relaxing .
Many superlatives later, we're still lying in the hay bales; kicking back in the middle of a field in remotest Laos. I feel warm and drowsy, like an invisible blanket has been thrown over me; like I'm being embraced by my archetypal lover. I'm grateful for its rich blackness; all the dark, sticky things which I can group together, like chocolate, coffee and Opium . I've finally been to Laos.

Nina

http://cannabis.hivemind.net/rtcl-tra-opium_3.htm
 
H connoseurship: (not really - don't read if bad smelling drugs upset you)

Mostly vinegar smelling stuff with a sour bite on the snout but recently I was (un)fortunate enough to get what I assume must have been close to 100% pure (97.2% is apparently the local record for street level so it's not impossible). My friends did tiny lines and I did a very conservative sized line - about 0.2 of a bag while they each did about 0.05 of a bag. Our "pts" arent 0.1g by the way, I'm guessing around 0.25g given very, very finely chopped coke and meth and H being equidense but I haven't meassured with a proper scale so I cant say for certain. The "gram" was like a very light coke g in volume but I assume it's more dense being dusty #4 with a few small rocky chunks here and there.

I was nearly knocked out of my socks by this miniscule dose (lets say approx 50-100mg). I couldn't understand why it just felt like I had railed about 200mg of strong vinegary white powder. I was fighting to keep awake and so were my friends who were incidentally 1st timers. I had been mostly clean (recreationally c) for about 6 months but prior to that I was using 2x 75uG durogesic patches per day (20mg fent - subbuccal) so I am by no means intollerant (although my tolerance was an order of magnitude lower then than it had been before).

My friends were opiate virgins, probably never had more than 20mg codeine or probably 50mg of demerol IM for surgery (Rx opiate abuse is almost non-existant here, you cant get pharms on the street). So baseline tolerance.

This stuff didn't have a strong acetic smell at all, slight vinegar smell, I was disappointed having used vinegar as the benchmark so I was expecting weak stuff. What really put me off (and still does everytime I indulge to this day) was it smelt like a wet dog that had spent a life time eating the remains of corpses. It was terrible, a very, very heavy thick aroma. My subjective description (and perhaps some memory) of the smell is heavily influenced by assosciation, about 2m after dosing we were all scratching ourselves like crazy. It felt like we were being eaten alive by flees (they obviously came with the dead-dog-turned-drug-mule which had been fermenting all the way from SE Asia to Lagos, Nigeria to Jhb, S Africa). My friends were very confused at this point and started having "bad trips", they weren't expecting total and utter inebriation combined with the histamine release from hell.

I get a feint reminder of it still every time I indulge in decent stuff. I can pick up that unique, almost like rotting food like smell/heavy-throat musty (sometimes mixed with cheap detergent / flea dip?) taste everytime the stuff is decent in quality. Makes me almost want to pass on the oppertunity. Almost...

The one guy has had stomache surgery and can't physically puke. He had a really bad time, he was dry heaving and spitting out buckets. The other guy was sitting clutching a bucket then intermittently stumbling I was borderline, it was my most optimal dose before getting too sick. I couldn't keep my eyes open. I was fighting the nod, I had to. I was loving it but partially because I had to stay awake to watch my friends who although complete noobs very seasoned and responsible with other drugs and partly because I suspected it was laced with barbiturates or ludes and was ready to phone for help should someone become unresponsive. The lines they did were about 1/4 the size my other intollerant friend does to get to the borderline of lala land and the land of nod so I was trying to just let them have a taste before letting them loose. The taste bit back.

They said the first 2m were great, one of their best ever experiences and then the next 4hrs (I kept them awake for that long before leaving) and subsequent day were complete hell. I figure I have helped "pre-cure" their future H addictions - they don't want to ever do it "if it's 2m of bliss followed by a nightmare". Which I think is a healthier attitude to take then what would have happened if they had done half of what they did.
 
I have only done it once (recently) while on some 2c-b, I dont know how it affected me really but it sure did smell nice :D
 
How can opium be smokable when codeine + morphine are destroyed at low heat? Something that I've often wondered.

Refining involves? Purification and removal of inactives or chemical alteration (basification?) to facilitate smoking? Or both?
 
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How can opium be smokable when codeine + morphine are destroyed at low heat? Something that I've often wondered.

Refining involves? Purification and removal of inactives or chemical alteration (basification?) to facilitate smoking? Or both?

Thats a good question. From the wiki article on opium:

The smoking of opium does not involve the pyrolysis of the material as might be imagined. Rather, the prepared opium is indirectly heated to temperatures at which the active alkaloids, chiefly morphine, are vaporized. In the past, smokers would utilize a specially designed opium pipe which had a removable knob-like pipe-bowl of fired earthenware attached by a metal fitting to a long, cylindrical stem.[94] A small "pill" of opium about the size of a pea would be placed on the pipe-bowl, which was then heated by holding it over an opium lamp, a special oil lamp with a distinct funnel-like chimney to channel heat into a small area. The smoker would lie on his or her side in order to guide the pipe-bowl and the tiny pill of opium over the stream of heat rising from the chimney of the oil lamp and inhale the vaporized opium fumes as needed.

From what I know, opium is refined further to produce a smokable form. Whether this involves adding base to free the alkaloids from their salt, ect, I don't know. This process also required preperation into a pile by a "chef" how would light the long pipe as well. One thing that I remember about the brown rock candy like opium which, in retrospect, was probably not refined is that when he was applied is would melt, sizzle in a strange manner, and produce tedrils of smoke almost all in a way that reminded me of a firework called a "snake" if people are familiar with that. So it seemed to be vaporizing. Another characteristic that I remembered the other day is that when heated it would keep smoking for a while. On one occasion that stood out we put it in a bowel on top of la layer of sticky that bud. The opium kept smoking for a while even after the buds stoped smoking, and hiting decently. (I'm thin

Interesting stuff on H "conoisseurship".

This stuff didn't have a strong acetic smell at all, slight vinegar smell, I was disappointed having used vinegar as the benchmark so I was expecting weak stuff. What really put me off (and still does everytime I indulge to this day) was it smelt like a wet dog that had spent a life time eating the remains of corpses. It was terrible, a very, very heavy thick aroma. My subjective description (and perhaps some memory) of the smell is heavily influenced by assosciation, about 2m after dosing we were all scratching ourselves like crazy. It felt like we were being eaten alive by flees (they obviously came with the dead-dog-turned-drug-mule which had been fermenting all the way from SE Asia to Lagos, Nigeria to Jhb, S Africa). My friends were very confused at this point and started having "bad trips", they weren't expecting total and utter inebriation combined with the histamine release from hell.

Here on the US west coast mexican "black tar heroin" is thing thats around most of the time. I too would use the smell resembeling vinegar as an indicator of quality, smelling it through the bag would make my mouth water. Never experienced the wet drug mule dog stench/ after taste with tar. With smoking I looked for a distinct bitter taste as a sign of quality which i found to be very pleasant, kind of on reminicent of coffee in taste and degree of bitterness (which it is sometimes cut with incidentally), but distinctly different . The conoisseur dynamite shit when run on foil would leave a residue free light grey trail. Outstanding dope would leave a black trail but with very few particular residue. Dope that leaves a trail of carbon like black residue that crunches when you crush it is a sign of bad to horrible quality. The piece of quality stuff would melt quickly and form a puddle instead of lower quality dope which was a solid piece the melthed slowly and kept its form as it ran . The sweet taste of good but not exceptional dope at first when I started my habit in 93' was pleasant. I think that within a few months they changed the cut used (I think from lactose to some other sort of sweet tasting cut because lactose has being regulated or something like that.) This stuff tasted revolting and realy burned your throat. Hated sweetish tastin dope after that. Smotimes would get the taste of mouthballs or almost like rotting gengivitis type breath from other batches of badly cut dope. My gums were probably not the- culprits have all my teeth.=D

According to wiki, black tar heroin is contaminated with 3-MAM, and 6-MAM due to in addequate reflux of the acetylating mixture in the synthetic process. I think that this stuff probably contains alot of the stuff found in opium latex only some of it might get acetylated during the acetylation step. The high between different batches of tar is more or less the same but occasionally their seemed to be subtle differences, maybe mostly placebo/power of suggestion. Maybe this is the result of other constituents. In the case of 6-MAM, wiki claims that it cause less side effects although that claim is unsubtantiated in the text. Also my theory about aceylating the partially refined opium dirrectly without refinement to morphine base first comes from the fact that at the methadone clinic I used to go to I turned in a dirty which came up positive for metabolites of morphine, the by product only found heroin, and codeine which is found in opium in modest but significant amounts- probably enough to show up on UA. I feel cutting with codeine is unlikely given the low potency relative to other opiates makes it unlikely that it would be used as a cut. My counselor tried to nail me with 2 dirties and I know i didn't use codeine seperately- which would have taken away most of my take homes methadone doses and spelled vocational disaster, have trouble making it to work on time if I had to attend clinic every day.- I had six/week (step 6). I tried to rationalize with him (he was my new counselor- an ex marine hard ass with a past history of dop himself- he had a full on habit as a drill instructor in 70s and early 80s, but the logic of my rationale was lost on him- I would have never wasted my time on codeine on MMT to begin with, that we would find that plausible is insaulting to me.):!
I was going to go over his head and see the doctor to explain my case but he let me off if I promissed to attend weekly mens meetings for 2 months- he justed wanted to coerce me to support his project.


With the side effects from snorting- I would consider smoking if this experience doesn't serve to deter your friends (don't know how suitable #3 or #4 is for this. This is a good harm reduction technique in my opinion b/c it allows better titration of dose. And with the histamine flood- I would get horrible "flee bites and scabs for the first few weeks initially and it would not be uncommon for me to walk around with blood running down my leg. Consider pre treatment with benadryl, 25 mg 30 min before smoking but exercise caution, this stuff potentiates opiates. Provided all the benadryl in SA isn't being diverted to the black market to formulate with methaqualone in the production of illicit mandrax.8o

My theory that pure morphine produces a qulalitatively different high- so that high wouldn't reflect morphine content alone but would be modified by other constituents of the opium. This is conceivable when one takes pantopon (injectable mixture of opium alkaloids) into account. That lacks the full spectrum of constituents. Effect on bioavailability and involvement of other receptor targets modifying high indirectly might be the basis for this phenomena. Onapon is a similar injectable preparation which is I think in the Australian formulary

According to wiki:

Pantopon is a preparation of opiates made up of all of the alkaloids present in opium in their natural proportions as hydrochloride salts. It can sometimes be tolerated by persons who are allergic to morphine.

Pantopon is, in other words, opium with all of the tar and other insolubles removed in an injectable form which is nearly as potent as morphine is by weight.

thissongiscalled
I have only done it once (recently) while on some 2c-b, I dont know how it affected me really but it sure did smell nice

Do you remember the taste, can you describe it or compare it to something familiar?- I know the 2c-b might have altered it but it is my understanding that it enhaces smell and taste. I think from a conoisseur stand point the taste, smell, apperance of product do as much as morphine content and proportion of other constituents to add to the enjoyment of the final product. Just like with weed alot of dank tastes good and schwag is often shity probably same variablity and appeal of taste quality since it is a natural product. Anyway I had opium in the past whose taste was remarkable, uplifting, and refined. Very pleasant and delicious. But the question remains how does the taste of opium, and possibly the high, vary among different strains, regions, and growing condition. The raison d'etre for this post, in part, is to differentiate between tar heroin which is well described: taste vinegar, for instance, and you probably have heroin which should be smoked using a different technique and with slightly more caution due its potentialy higher potency/dose-for the sake of harm reduction. I've heard of many people mistakenly buying tar misrepresented as opium. This was done to me but I had smoked the real thing a few years before and knew about tar so I new what I was probably dealing with. When I told the guy it wasn't opium but black tar heroin which I had read about he said "its an opiaaate- with a hard t." I'm like, this opiaaaattte you brought me is called black tar heroin."I was 19 and had been looking for tar to try so I was stoked not bumbed. The high was noticably more stimulating initially- made me want to talk alot, not get into a dreamy reavalerie to the extent of opium. It also lacked that special, exotic taste I previously described. How would you guys describe the taste?
 
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