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Mescaline (18 inches of san pedro cactus)- Very experienced- The end all of it all

daysonatrain

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This is an attempted description of a profound psychedelic experience. The ‘trip’ occurred 3 days ago at a free campsite in the mountains of Arizona, on 18 inches of extracted san pedro cactus slime. I had eaten a small breakfast 10 hours earlier, but fasted the rest of the day.

I had recently moved to Arizona, from Maine, to return to college and attempt to release this mental state I had been in for quite sometime. I wouldn’t necessarily call it depression, as of late, more a boredom with life, though it often led to anxiety. I should probably mention that I am one year free from a near 3 year heroin ‘addiction.’ I quit taking both my Suboxone (after stepping down for quite a while) and a low dose of Paxil at the same time. Heroin (and all opiates) is the most seductive of drugs I find. Its lures you in slowly.

For quite sometime I have only treated hallucinogens with the utmost respect. My first trip was on only 2.5 grams of shrooms and up until this point I have never had a trip of this magnitude. When I came down from that trip I wondered how I would ever be the same again, how was I supposed to act around my family and friends now that the entire world had fallen apart. My worldview had literally shattered. Since then I have taken/used/abused almost every drug on the market. And in the beginning

That first experience I think actually intensified my ego. It separated rather than connected, as this trip did. I guess seeing how much pain you really put yourself in on a moment by moment basis is a pretty painful thing to realize. But, naturally, my ego shrank back in, and perhaps even intensified due to this dissolution.

Fast forward 9 years, 25 years old, just moved halfway across the country to return to college, camping and drinking a decent dose of mescaline on a campsite at 6000 feet surrounded by mountains. Its strange now to think about opiates. I have used opiates since ive been ‘clean’ and still (and perhaps always) will reminisce about that peace. It’s that kind of ‘dead’ peace that appeals to the ego. Or at least one half of it, as uppers are equally addictive for most of us. I arrived at the campsite just as the sun was setting. I set up my tent as I plugged my nose and drank the disgusting cactus slime, over the course of an hour. I hadn’t planned out the extraction time well and I ended up with nearly 2 cups of sludgy liquid to drink as opposed to a few shots. It was not too pleasant. But the day had afforded several unexpected good things and it seemed like an appropriate day to take a trip.

The nausea hits almost instantly. And in 20 minutes I know im tripping. Waves of pleasure wash over my body, mixed with the feeling of ‘if I move I’m going to vomit.’ My thoughts began to expand and sensory faculties blur.

After an hour I vomit several times, a gut wrenching vomit similar to an ayahuasca vomit. I curl up in my sleeping bag for a while after this. The trip is escalating rapidly, all the normal sensations of tripping are noticed (and enjoyed, naturally, this is mescaline). And I wont go into much detail of this aspect of the trip as it was fairly well along the lines of a normal fairly high dose of mescaline or other hallucinogen. I spent the next hour or so alternating between listening to music in the tent or car and exploring the woods with my headlamp.

As the trip escalated I became more confused and out of touch with normal reality. The more confused I got the more negative the trip turned. This is what I had expected, the trip up is rough on any psychedelic.

And at some point something clicked in my mind. It was just this ah-hah moment. I have studied and practiced buddhism for many years and this was the truth I had been ‘seeking.’ There was this moment where I said, what a minute, this is happening, why create it into pain? And this feeling washed over me, a complete release of everything. The “I” faded out of reality. There was no resistance to anything, it all was happening at once and “I” was everything.

It didn’t last very long and pretty soon I came back to a semblance of reality. Its something that cannot be explained in words. Even though every sage in history has tried to. This feeling continued to wash over me for the next 4 hours. It would wax and wane. And between a ‘fading out’ would come the most powerful realizations I have ever had. Things I had read before but never affected me in such a way.

I will briefly try to explain these realizations. The universe is made of duality, the yin yang aspect. This is how light (the essence of everything) interacts with itself. But it all boils down to light, just because its interacting with itself its still all light. This is where the mind gets confused, we take the interaction aspect as truth, and create our own personal reality out of what we chose to observe. It all boils down to the conditioned mind and the unconditioned mind. We are all stuck in the unconditioned mind. And it is truth, because it exists, but it only a certain piece of the puzzle. Whenever the mind is stuck in the conditioned mind there is suffering, this is what the Buddha meant when he said ‘existance is suffering.’

As this state faded, I returned more to my body and went into intense pain. A major discomfort beset my body and though the realization that this was all a dream I was creating still stuck, I couldn’t deny it. Pain flooded through me, mostly centering on my heart and neck region, it was a mental pain, one of discomfort. These two states, one of pain and one of release continued to alternate as I began to come down and the sun was rising. I was massively strung out but also massively at peace.

The feeling has stuck with me for several days now. It feels as if my kundalini energy has been stirred. I have had several instance in the past few days after tripping where I step back into this state of peace. As strong as tripping but while sober.

**Well, if you got through all that, hope it was a good read at least. I really can’t describe this experience, it was the most freeing and amazing things that I have ever felt. And it has truly been a changing experience for me. I may edit this ending part later.
Peace.
 
I will briefly try to explain these realizations. The universe is made of duality, the yin yang aspect. This is how light (the essence of everything) interacts with itself. But it all boils down to light, just because its interacting with itself its still all light. This is where the mind gets confused, we take the interaction aspect as truth, and create our own personal reality out of what we chose to observe. It all boils down to the conditioned mind and the unconditioned mind. We are all stuck in the unconditioned mind. And it is truth, because it exists, but it only a certain piece of the puzzle. Whenever the mind is stuck in the conditioned mind there is suffering, this is what the Buddha meant when he said ‘existance is suffering.’


Wow. I can sort of see where your coming from, but give me that much mescaline and I'll probly get it...

Just from a physics stand point light can barely interact with other light, ie. shine two torch beams together, what happens, they fly though each other.. but if your thinking of light as a wave, and the de-broglie wavelength of everthing and the observer of quantum mechanics, you got some hand wavey physics backdrop for your ideas....

hope you feel allright in the next couple of days... well composed trip report..
 
hey days,

I tried to msg you but since I just joined.. it won't let me. here's what I wrote:

hey, i'm mikael...

I just signed up here to message you. I was googling about mescaline and saw your post here, your experience. I was very intrigued, and found it to be quite remarkable. I'm quite familiar with such things. i'm a student of Buddhism (practicing and possibly going for PhD) and also have slight interest in psychedelics, though I don't approve of them for everyone I feel they can give some good glimpses for those that are ready.. but as Alan Watts said "once you get the message, hang up." I'm sure you realize that now, you don't really need the cactus for that experience. I myself though am actually going to do san pedro this weekend, a heavy dose like you and will go for a similar experience. I've done san pedro before but never that high dose. It should be interesting.. and your experience was inspiring.

Now about your interpretation of that experience, I think I can help you with that. As you probably know, Right View is probably one of, if not the, most important aspect of Buddhism. This view is the view of 'Emptiness' or Dependent Origination. View is absolutely necessary because you can have these amazing experiences and yet not interpret them correctly because of wrong view, or karma. So, your wrong interpretation will lead to future suffering. It must be properly conceptualized. Check this out, your experience sounds to be a Stage 2 interpretation.

http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html

You had a non-dual experience where both subject and object disappear; it was entirely non-conceptual but when you came back you filtered that experience and threw in a very very subtle 'Self' which you call the 'I' that was Everything' and identify with that. You must negate the self-nature of the Light, though it is Everything, it isn't a One Being that is everything. The Light is simply the nature of everything but there is nothing there; the One is seen as empty and there is no identifying with It because there is no 'It'. You cannot apply a Noun to Infinity. Nor can 'you' identify with infinity because there is nothing there; nor is there an I separate from the Light that can identify. Through Buddhist logic it is seen that the view that Everything is One is extremist. There is still a very subtle clinging or grasping to a Self, a subtle duality, rather instead of an 'I' its a Grand 'I'. an Ultimate Self that IS Everything. Do you see how this is still a subtle form of grasping? Don't grasp at the Light, let it be without any concepts or identity. Don't identify with it. You will not attain liberation and have true insight, according to Buddhism, unless you let go of all conceptual grasping.

"The “I” faded out of reality. There was no resistance to anything, it all was happening at once and “I” was everything." There is no 'I', there is no 'Self'. see that you have a subtle grasping at identity and substance and let go of that.

I hope that this helps you in someway.

You've had a really wonderful experience and I really hope that this motivates you to practice meditation and study dharma. Find a good teacher and really advance and attain insight to help other beings. You've obviously created some wonderful conditions for yourself to experience these insights, be exposed to the teachings, and I think that is really great. If you want to talk more here's my contact info. aim: doginmyguitar

<3

take care,
mikael


p.s. I can recommend some really nice books that I've found to be soooo incredibly helpful, written by true masters.

What Makes You Not a Buddhist
The Crystal and the Way of Light
 
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congrats!

you've described a fairly typical +4 type experience, which as you should know, are not at all .. 'typical.'

it's a wonderful place, and as suggested above, i would recommend further study in order to better process and understand the rare state you were so blessed by. i've had one.. maybe two.. such experiences. they have stayed with me through the years and have resulted in positive change in my outlook and relationship with god/the universe/everythingatall.

like you, after my first +4, the feeling would creep back now and then for a month or so until it faded a bit more wholly and i thought it was gone forever. as i've had the time (going on ten years) to process, though, sometimes wonder if it ever ended -- it's hard to know how 'we' 'are' when we're in that space, like a fish in water doesn't realize it's in water until it gets pulled onto the land.

i would not suggest trying too hard to interpret or put your experience into words. it is, you are, this is, it's all here. the experience is by nature ineffable.

it can become a source of frustration to try to express it. it did for me, and i for a while i felt alienated by it. just rest & process, be grateful.

for me in evolved into this unending source of infinite gratitude, the object for which i can only call god, this total justification for how-things-are.

again, ineffable. but something like that. feel free to message me if you feel so inclined. i know there are other people on this board who have had similarly transcendent experiences. it's also worth keeping in mind that many people have these experiences through meditation, yoga, and frequently they just arise spontaneously and show you the love that comprises even the most severe suffering.
 
What an amazing experience.. I was also a opiate user.. :( I used to snort Oxy Coden/Cotin but i quit for about 4 months now I've been clean and sober and it feels great.. GOOD luck to you and your sobriety :) With love

Shay.
 
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