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Let's talk about Racism

INFACT!!!

Heres a list of things that have influenced me to say these things.

1: Ive only been physically threatened, or had my life threatened, by brown/black people.
2: If i look at the people walking into WINZ for 'FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE' from the government, its disproportionately high in amounts of brown/black people.
3: If you look at prison/crime statistics, the prisons are fulled with disproportionately high amounts of brown/black people.
4: The only people who have ever tried to 'scab' money off me: 'hey bro, got a dolla bro?', are brown/black.
5: All the most uncivilized and dangerous countries are run-by/majority brown/black

So... I mean i could just keep going on to be honest but i think you all know it anyway.
 
well, i live in a third world african country and have for 4 years,

and, what i have learnt is that color of ones skin, is not a factor in how one behaves, that the differences between people of different color are less than the similarities between them.

also, that peoples idea of "africa" is extremly narrow, and unless you have travelled in the continent of africa, you most likely have the wrong idea about the place.(i state this, as because i hear a lot of people lump stereotypes upon black americans via the "african" link)

education is important in how people see the world..how many highly educated racists do you know ?

i got more things i have "learnt" but regarding racism, these are simple, obvious areas.

straight out hatred/racism really blows my mind and can greatly upset me, we are all capable of loving other people of different races/skin color, and we all should.
 
There are very few black people where I live, but I must say that in my many travels, they are the only ones the only ones who will come up to me and ask for money, to use my cell phone, or ask for cigarettes. Also, in the very few times I have been ripped off during drug deals, it has always been by a black person. I never have problems with asians, natives, mexicans, or people from other races, just blacks. The only contact I have ever had with black people is them trying to screw me to the wall - not even a casual conversation that does not end in them asking for something.
 
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damn strait. When ever a brown/black person approaches me i know its gonna either involve drugs, violence, money, or some of shit i dont want.

I think if we just locked all black people up from birth we'd be alot better off
 
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moonyham said:
damn strait. When ever a brown/black person approaches me i know its gonna either involve drugs, violence, money, or some of shit i dont want.

I think if we just locked all black people up from birth we'd be alot better off
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That's more than a little extreme. I think the problem is that you don't know enough black people or live in an environment where a person of African descent can thrive. In Atlanta, there is an African-American majority, and so I know plenty of black people. I can tell you that disliking black people because of the color of their skin is illogical and wrong (This goes to MrJackJones too). I'm not saying that either of your observations are illogical or wrong, I just think (or know) that you are coming to the wrong conclusions from your experiences.

Minorities in the United States ARE disadvantaged because of their race. Anyone who says otherwise, frankly, is wrong. It's not because of some natural deficiency they have that black people constitute the overwhelming majority of impoverished peoples in Atlanta (and assumedly in the entire USA). Why? Because I know plenty of African-Americans who are completely competent, and in many ways more so than I am (I am Caucasian). And by plenty I don't mean a few, I mean PLENTY.

Because the majority of blacks are compromised in their ability to function in society based on the disadvantages that their "race" has experienced in the past, you will find that many are a product of their environment. I.E., an African-American who grows up in the ghetto down the street from my house is more likely to grow up and break laws, behave violently, and etc. than an African-American who grows up in the nicest part of town. How do I know this? Because there are white people that grow up/live in these same neighborhoods that are just as or more untrustworthy, delinquent, or lazy as any of the black people in the same neighborhood.

In this way, many African-Americans are victims of the environment that they have inherited due to true racism and slavery in the past (and possibly in the present, although I have no concrete thoughts on that matter).

I will admit, I dislike a LOT of black people. However, I know enough black people that I like and enjoy the company of to know that my dislike isn't based on race, but on the variable I have described above.




I apologize for the long read and if my writing is hard to understand... this is the first time I've ever put these thoughts into words. Anyway.... comments? =D
 
Perhaps if I were to meet some decent black people, I would change my stance on the subject. Unfortunately, I as of yet have not. I did vote for the president (although at this point I am thinking that I should have not voted at all), because I thought he was pretty intelligent.
 
you sound reasonable, anyway ive been ripped off to many times, it makes me feel like such a bitch i want to hunt them all down lol, but yeh most of the time its whitee people, ut thats because i dont even TRY to buy off black people lol... in europe arabs ALWAYS ripped me off
 
mrjackjones said:
I did vote for the president (although at this point I am thinking that I should have not voted at all), because I thought he was pretty intelligent.
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LOL at least you're admitting you made a mistake. Some stubborn fools are hangin on for dear life....till the end.

You think practically every black voter who voted for Obama, didn''t do it because he was black?? Get real with yourself. Some media outlet went out in New York City, and switched McCain's policies with Obama's when asking people who they were voting for and why, and NONE of them even knew what Obama stood for. :\

Isn't that considered racism because you could claim McCain WAS NOT elected because he was white?? *sigh*


So the fact that everyone wanted a black man to finally become president, was more important than his actual qualifications.
 
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Wow i can't beleive how hateful people on BL can be8o race is just a physical charachterisitc it has NOTHING to do with how one acts. People are usually a product of thier enviornment and I would say alot of the perceived differences between races are because most races fit pretty well into a certian economic class. For example the amount of impoverished blacks/hispanics (in reference to USA) is much higher than the amount of impoverished whites or asians. Because the people grow up in diffrent enviornments they adapt to the world diffrently which means they act differently.
 
You guys should read the Wikipedia entries for 'Blackface' and 'Minstrel Show'. Black people in the US have been the subject of much malicious scapegoating and imaging-down throughout their history, which has had a direct impact on their perception worldwide. This has extended to peoples in other countries of similar complexion and social status, who carry a similar difficult legacy from the Age of Exploration / Colonial Era.

The thing is, this really only reversed within living memory. So now we have a whole generation of nonblack Americans who aren't old enough to remember blacks being segregated and lampooned without mercy. All they see is black people who don't trust nonblacks (especially whites), and don't feel the least way bad about exploiting whites, and the system whites built and run (think "lazy welfare moms"), if given the chance. Golly gee I wonder why. :\

I do see equality achieved by black Americans in the future. But it won't seriously get under way until discriminatory, segregationist public policy, and media imaging-down, of these people, is well out of living memory. So quite likely not in our lifetimes.

This issue has definitely made me think philosophically about individuals' personal responsibility for their historical ancestors' deeds.

It was a hurtful but eye opening experience for me to work in a lowly position of service at a hospital with a majority black population. I was instantly held at arm's length by many (though by no means all). Some warmed to me when I was warm to them. Some not. I just had to learn not to take it personally (something I'm not good at doing), and see it in historical perspective.

I was never, EVER cheated, exploited, conned, stolen from, or attacked by anyone while working this job. Nor was I ever afraid such a thing was likely.
 
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^Equality by black Americans? You mentioned the word "reversed" which is how things are. Agh go back and read my posts in the earlier parts of this thread, as I don't feel like repeating myself. Why don't you go ahead and tell me when you'll KNOW for sure, when blacks have been paid due reperation for slavery? When will this moment be? Will you know it when you see it?

We're trying so hard to "repay" blacks because of slavery that it really makes a lot of things downright wrong. Affirmative action? The best person for the job, not getting the job, because a certain number of blacks have to be hired?? How is that right??



Wasn't Dr. King's dream for everyone to be equal?? How does affirmative action encourage equality? It's demanding hirings based on race! This isn't the 1960s with the "good ole boys" not wanting to hire blacks. Smart business people are going to hire the best person for the job...black, white, brown, whatever.
 
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There is far more adverse racism in the US than there is outright racism. What Blacks had to endure was wrong, but that is pretty much over and now they hate white people for what their ancestors had to endure. I do not blame them for feeling that way, but I am not going to accept that as an excuse for their negative behavior, nor will I associate myself with such people.
 
^ Did you even read my post? Imagine your parents, and all the people of their ethnicity in their generation, had been viciously discriminated against during their formative years. Would it be logical that even after the tide began to turn, and official sanctions lifted, that they'd have a bit of a chip on their shoulder, and teach you, their child, that the majority that held them down were not good people?

40 years is not a long time, when we're talking long standing inter-ethnic adversarial relations.
 
KStoner6tb said:
^Equality by black Americans? You mentioned the word "reversed" which is how things are. Agh go back and read my posts in the earlier parts of this thread, as I don't feel like repeating myself. Why don't you go ahead and tell me when you'll KNOW for sure, when blacks have been paid due reperation for slavery? When will this moment be? Will you know it when you see it?

We're trying so hard to "repay" blacks because of slavery that it really makes a lot of things downright wrong. Affirmative action? The best person for the job, not getting the job, because a certain number of blacks have to be hired?? How is that right??
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Affirmative action isn't just about African Americans. For example, the only reason I(a white male) was able to get into a competitive school is because affirmative action makes sure all demographics are equally represented in the institution. Otherwise the school would be filled with asian kids with perfect SAT scores.
 
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I certainly did read your post, before I typed out mine, MDAO. What I typed in my previous posts are observations drawn from first-hand experiences with black people.
 
yougene said:
Affirmative action isn't just about African Americans. For example, the only reason I(a white male) was able to get into a competitive school is because affirmative action makes sure all demographics are equally represented in the institution. Otherwise the school would be filled with asian kids with perfect SAT scores.
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That's why they consider more than just SAT scores. That's kinda comparing apples to oranges because there is a big difference between someone applying for a job, and someone trying to get into college.
 
How is it so different?(education vs. job) I'll go ahead and tell you yougene.

No one's life depends on whether or not you get into college.

Ok, say your father, brother, etc is a police officer. The department they work for is currently looking for a deputy sherriff, and has one opening. A black man and a white man both apply for the job. Now say the white guy scores 25 points higher on his police test, and is clearly the better canidate. BUT, because of affirmative action, the department is forced to hire the black man.

Now this new deputy is paired with your relative as his partner. Your loved one's LIFE can depend on how good this person is at his job. We're not talking about maybe getting an education; which is important don't get me wrong. But, we're talking life and death. Your relative gets killed in the line of duty all because we want to make everything 'fair' and the department was forced to hire a less competent black man???

Btw, I'm not pickin on any skin color. Whoever is best for the job, gets the damn job!! It's pretty simple. You don't see my sueing the NBA because it's not fair that I can't jump as high as Lebron James. Oh it must be they're discriminating against me because there aren't as many whites as blacks in the association. :\

Yes, what blacks were forced to go through was wrong. No arguement, no doubt. But some of the shit that goes on today to "repay" for our past maligns is not helping anything. It just keeps the whole progression in neutral.

I'd like to hear what 'my doors are open" has to say
 
KStoner6tb said:
That's why they consider more than just SAT scores. That's kinda comparing apples to oranges because there is a big difference between someone applying for a job, and someone trying to get into college.
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Right, they are comparing your SAT to others of the same ethnic group.
 
KStoner6tb said:
How is it so different?(education vs. job) I'll go ahead and tell you yougene.

No one's life depends on whether or not you get into college.

Ok, say your father, brother, etc is a police officer. The department they work for is currently looking for a deputy sherriff, and has one opening. A black man and a white man both apply for the job. Now say the white guy scores 25 points higher on his police test, and is clearly the better canidate. BUT, because of affirmative action, the department is forced to hire the black man.

Now this new deputy is paired with your relative as his partner. Your loved one's LIFE can depend on how good this person is at his job. We're not talking about maybe getting an education; which is important don't get me wrong. But, we're talking life and death. Your relative gets killed in the line of duty all because we want to make everything 'fair' and the department was forced to hire a less competent black man???

Btw, I'm not pickin on any skin color. Whoever is best for the job, gets the damn job!! It's pretty simple. You don't see my sueing the NBA because it's not fair that I can't jump as high as Lebron James. Oh it must be they're discriminating against me because there aren't as many whites as blacks in the association. :\

Yes, what blacks were forced to go through was wrong. No arguement, no doubt. But some of the shit that goes on today to "repay" for our past maligns is not helping anything. It just keeps the whole progression in neutral.

I'd like to hear what 'my doors are open" has to say
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I feel like your example is contrived but I get your point. Yeah, some people in the "majority" do fall through the cracks. Society still has a vested interest in making sure whole demographics aren't falling through the cracks.

We still have institutionalized bias towards ethnicity even if the people themselves do not.
 
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