Whats all the hoohah about spice?

[JackARoe]

Spice can be stronger than some weed

Very true. Honestly, some of the JWH blends are excellent alternatives to weed. Good to have around. Not only for the desperate, very effective, good insight, munchies, couch lock, and some other qualities of THC. It's probably not toxic. (Drinking water from the damn tap is probably mroe dangerous with all the sh*t they are finding in it these days).

I like good weed. Kind bud (do people still use that term?) is the best. But JWH blends are excellent too and sometimes I'd reach for that over a green bud simply for the slightly different, sometimes cleaner, sometimes cloudier, effects. There is nothing wrong with some of these synthetic chems being around and they are a God send to many who are subjected to drug tests. You can get very stoned on the blends.

For the purists at heart, I'd say worry about many other things in society before worrying about synthetic cannabinoids effects on health.

 

[Chainer]

Very true. Honestly, some of the JWH blends are excellent alternatives to weed. Good to have around. Not only for the desperate, very effective, good insight, munchies, couch lock, and some other qualities of THC.

This is true, spice, or even JWH-018 or JWH-73... It does a good job of getting you somewhere high, with 018 being much stronger at smaller doses... Is it worth the unknown effects?

It's probably not toxic. (Drinking water from the damn tap is probably mroe dangerous with all the sh*t they are finding in it these days).

It could be, we do not know if it causes cancer or is carcinogenic yet. Some labs report that it is.

I like good weed. Kind bud (do people still use that term?) is the best.

Yes people still use the term but KB is in no way superior to hydro or great heads.

But JWH blends are excellent too and sometimes I'd reach for that over a green bud simply for the slightly different, sometimes cleaner, sometimes cloudier, effects. There is nothing wrong with some of these synthetic chems being around and they are a God send to many who are subjected to drug tests. You can get very stoned on the blends.

How is it cloudier and cleaner? Do you mean differing blends? It likely has to do with wether it uses JWH-018 or 73, and the amounts mixed in with the rest of the BS in there.

For the purists at heart, I'd say worry about many other things in society before worrying about synthetic cannabinoids effects on health.

You do realize this is a harm reduction site? We DON'T know what a lot of these RCs do on the body. They are NOT intended for human consumption, and as soon as the government wises up, JWH will be illegal too. RCs won't be so easy to get in the future as they get more popular. While there are MUCH better things to worry about, you shouldn't go around saying it's fine as if you know for sure -- it is a RESEARCH CHEMICAL.

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

You do realize this is a harm reduction site? We DON'T know what a lot of these RCs do on the body. They are NOT intended for human consumption, and as soon as the government wises up, JWH will be illegal too. RCs won't be so easy to get in the future as they get more popular. While there are MUCH better things to worry about, you shouldn't go around saying it's fine as if you know for sure -- it is a RESEARCH CHEMICAL.

I think you're overreacting a bit. We know what most of the RC's do on the body, because for one, many of them act the same or are technically the same, if not just analogs of their more traditional variants. For instance, the difference between how 4-Aco-DMT and Psilocybin cubensis acts on the body are not inherently different.

The idea of them not being intended for human consumption is there to keep these labs and vendors in business. It's like a disclaimer that allows them to keep selling their products; what do you honestly think these "research chemicals" are for? These chemicals aren't research chemicals, they are only being researched on the people who try them.

I really wouldn't worry about the government "wising up in the future" towards substances like these - including JWH. Most people don't know what JWH or Spice is and it will probably stay that way. The majority of the people never heard of 4-HO-DMT, or bk-MDMA, or DOB, or JWH-073, or DPT, etc. etc. etc. Many of these compounds have been around for a while, and have been used/experimented with for years. Just because they are rising somewhat in popularity mainly because of the internet, doesn't mean they will be banned anytime soon. Just look at the "success" of Operation Web Tryp.

The toxicity speculation or rather the carcinogenic inference to the naphthalene ring is only a hypothesis.

 

[JackARoe]

Well there you go, I couldn't have said it better than BiG StroOnZ. My sentiments exactly.

Where I come from Kind is hydro or great heads. (yeah, I'm no lingo master)

I still wonder if all blends have 018 or 73 since there are lots of differing effects. And I'm all about harm reduction. These days at least.

 

[Ninjetic]

Well if I can get ahold of the stuff, I'll let ya know. I plan to do some type of report on its effects. I wanna get some type of spice brand that has the sativa high, and another brand that contains the indica effects. Any tips? And is it wise to buy the stuff over the internet? or would it be better to try to find the stuff at a headshop?

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

Well if I can get ahold of the stuff, I'll let ya know. I plan to do some type of report on its effects. I wanna get some type of spice brand that has the sativa high, and another brand that contains the indica effects. Any tips? And is it wise to buy the stuff over the internet? or would it be better to try to find the stuff at a headshop?

Internet, but just don't order from overseas. There are plenty of places in the USA that sell Spice and other blends.

Sativa would be your Smoke XXX, Spike 99 Ultra, Zohai RX

Indica would be your Spice Arctic Synergy, Genie

 

[Juicy_down_low_J]

i tried it with my buddie that got it from austrailia. There are several different blends. the stuff i tryed was called 'budda blend'. the taste isnt as bad as tobacco i think but you dont smoke this stuff with a filter (obviously). it comes in many flavors(blends) like strawberry and blueberry and as many others say, it will get you high, but will not have you on couch-lock. I blended this and just some nuggs (nothin special) and it felt like it just intensified the cannabis high. it really isnt anything to gawk about, unless your being tested/ on probation (like my buddy).

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

i tried it with my buddie that got it from austrailia. There are several different blends. the stuff i tryed was called 'budda blend'. the taste isnt as bad as tobacco i think but you dont smoke this stuff with a filter (obviously). it comes in many flavors(blends) like strawberry and blueberry and as many others say, it will get you high, but will not have you on couch-lock. I blended this and just some nuggs (nothin special) and it felt like it just intensified the cannabis high. it really isnt anything to gawk about, unless your being tested/ on probation (like my buddy).

It's a YMMV thing, and also depends on the kind of blend you go with. This "Buddha's Blend" is not nearly as popular as some of the other ones mentioned in this thread, so therefore we cannot determine (well not really with the other blends either) the amount of Cannabinoids in it. We have an idea of how powerful some of the other ones are as I've been couched locked before on many of these blends. Some of them can get very overwhelming if you smoke too much too.

 

[theotherside]

Why bother with the blends at all when you can get the actually chem's? The guy who makes buddah blend only uses his jwh-018 for that one....you need to be trying jwh-073 for a quality non paranoid type high.

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

Why bother with the blends at all when you can get the actually chem's?

Not that I disagree with this, but most people don't know how to access these pure compounds. Although most people probably shouldn't be messing with pure jwh-018 either. With -073 I wouldn't worry too much about people using/experimenting with because it's not nearly as potent as -018. With -018 though the slightest miscalculation in a dose could be devastating (at least initially without any tolerance).

 

[theotherside]

I just always hate to see people waste their hard earned money . I agree that 018 can get nasty at any more than 4mgs so I steer clear of that one these days.

 

[Ninjetic]

Well, I'm quite excited as I'll be getting 10mgs of jwh-18 via mail for free I would've gone for the jwh-73 for my free sample, but they're fresh out until further notice (as are all the other jwh items at the moment) and until I can find me some actual weed, this will be a much cheaper alternative. As soon as jwh-73 is back in stock, I'm stocking up on both of these products

 

[theotherside]

I saw that deal too! I would put the smallest amount your eye can see in your pipe to see how it affects you.

 

[Ninjetic]

Thats what I was thinking of doing. I like to take it slow with stuff like this, if its anything like the sativa weed I'm used to getting, I won't be vaporizing all ten milligrams in one go. And from what I've heard about jwh-18, its not somethin to take lightly. My question is, will it give the same cerebral high as most sativa does?

 

[theotherside]

Kind of, but to be honest the first time I smoked 018 I over did it and it was like a "trip" for around 30 minutes. Tracers and word wiggles, and oh yeah...paranoia. But once you get used to it the high becomes manageable.

 

[Ninjetic]

Well, when the stuff does get here, I'll probly be in for quite the ride I've been looking at menus for dispensaries all day, quite jealous of the state below me Too bad that even once I get the money to afford pot just about everybody who sells here is on edge cuz the cops are out in full force lookin to bust grow ops. At least I'll have my mysterious white powder that has ye to show up on drug tests

 

[theotherside]

The only downside is the US is making jwh-018 sch. I soon which will cover all the jwh series. No sourcing but be careful where you make your purchases if you are in the us.

 

[Ninjetic]

what bullshit.
The govermental nazi's of the usa vow to strike again? Then indeed I shall stock up on these jwh's. The only two I'm interested in at the moment are 18 and 73, wonder what some of the others are like.....

 

[delta_9]

I wouldn't recommend using these compounds too often, we just don't know much about them. I mean, they're basically just giant aromatic hydrocarbons, with practically no points on the molecule for the body to attack.(Only 1 nitrogen atom & 1 oxygen atom )
Tread with caution guys.

 

[Ninjetic]

^Well then, maybe I'll just keep my sample as a keepsake for once the government schedules all the jwh's. If it has its drawbacks and all that toxicity and whatnot, I'd rather smoke herb