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GBL Megathread: 3ml and Wobbling

Not that dangerous to mix with diaz (in reasonable quantities) but it's not a great combo effectswise and less than ideal to combine. Don't think SSRIs make a difference but am not 100% on that.

As you're on diaz dosing may be slightly different but even without benzos you need to titrate it pretty carefully to the individual. Most like it somewhere in the 1.5-2.0ml range - that means some like it at 1.5ml but 1.8ml is too much for them, incidetally, not that anywhere in there is good.

I'd start slightly lower (maybe 1.0-1.2ml as that seems to be the lower end of the common range - maybe even less to play it safe with the diaz) and see how you go. You may not get much or it may be great. Best to leave at least two hours between doses but if you really aren't feeling anything after 15-20 minutes maybe add another 0.2ml. Small increments make a big difference with GBL.

The pipettes it comes with are okay but oral syringes are better for precise dosing.

Also, you can use the "Search This Thread" button on the top right to find relevant posts in megathreads - very handy in threads like this :)
 
Not really. I said it wasn't a great combination and to start low if you're mixing the two. I've combine GBL with loads of stuff - including benzo - and so do many other people. What about people like me who are on daily (prescribed) benzos? Some of us drink and even use GBL too. At reasonable doses it doesn't seem to be especially dangerous. Taking a fistful of benzos and then swigging GBL is somewhat different - the "reasonable doses" bit is quite important.
 
Well its not me taking Diaz for recreational purposes. I have a dependancey to them and dont even get any effect on my daily 30 mg's so its not as im mixing them to get super fucked up.

I only asked the question as I understand GBL and Diazepam both use the GABA receptor, if im right.

Better safe than sorry.

Is anyone here on Diazepam and take Guice ?

Thanks Shambles:- I know I should have UTFSE but I felt it was a bit more generalised question with regards to SSRI'S and Benzo's.

EDIT:- You beat me to it shambles ("i.e people taking benzos regularly as in scrippted or self prescripte vs fistfull, of blues for the recreational values. think were kinda in the same boat)
 
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I'm prescribed daily diaz (although I don't actually take it unless I feel I need it) and have had no problems mixing. It's true that it's probably not the safest combo, but at 30mg and with tolerance shouldn't be a big problem. Even though you can't feel the diaz anymore it's still in your system though so some caution - taking it up slowly and allowing time to note the effects - would be wise :)

GBL and benzos both work on GABA but one's GABA-A and one's GABA-B, I think. Different anyway - some find that benzos can almost cancel out the effect of GBL but for me it maybe just mutes it slightly - takes the edge off of the euphoria. Which is a bit of a pisser really. But that's just me.

Not totally sure about interactions with SSRIs but I don't remember hearing it anywhere and there are plenty of BLers (and others) on SSRIs so I would have thought it would have come up somewhere if it were a problem.
 
Benzos completely block the effects of GBL, for me. I believe this is because they stop the GHB receptor being activated, which in turn stops the GABA-B receptor being activated. Of course, everyone is different, but I've heard several cases of people not being able to get high from GBL, after benzos. Benzos and GBL is a lot safer than alcohol and GBL, IMO. Chris: Don't tell people that they are talking shit, when they are seasoned users/mixers of different chemicals. You come across as a bit of a moron. There shouldn't be much interaction with SSRIs, except maybe more drowsiness, and perhaps more euphoria, if you are lucky.
 
Treacle said:
Chris: Don't tell people that they are talking shit, when they are seasoned users/mixers of different chemicals. You come across as a bit of a moron
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From my own, seasoned, experience i'd say it's a recipe for disaster mixing benzos and geeby and i'm quite shocked, in the interests of harm reduction, that anybody would suggest that iti s ok to do so? I don't understand why that is moronic... Care to enlighten me?
 
yeah benzos almost entirely cancel out the effects of GBL for me. And diazepam, having both the benefit and curse of a loooong half life, ruins it for a2-3 days. And strangely enough, before i had the epiphany of "i shouldn't be doing all of these at once, i gotta toss this GBL (again)!", both phenibut and baclofen really make it hard to get "high" off of GBL if they are still in my system. A terrible combo, having phenibut, baclofen, diazepam, and GBL in yr systedm and getting high off NONE of them. Glad them days are over! Having gone thru the physical withdrawals of just about everything I can say that GABA-B agonist dependency is one of the worst...terrifying really. Really feel like you are losing yr mind! But, for me, the repair dinnit take TOO long.....
 
chrisdahl said:
From my own, seasoned, experience i'd say it's a recipe for disaster mixing benzos and geeby and i'm quite shocked, in the interests of harm reduction, that anybody would suggest that iti s ok to do so? I don't understand why that is moronic... Care to enlighten me?
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Read the post under yours. Another person that gets no effects on benzos.
 
I see no post here that says FUCK YEAH BRO, 80MG DIAZ, 100MG TEMAZ, 10MG XANAX AND 4ML GBL...ITS THE SHIT!
Thats because there won't be one.
A. The regular contributors here know whats what and
B. BENZOS KILL GBL HIGH!

For me any amount..eg 10mg librium as a low dose, does a good job of removing the high.
Benzos are entirely meant to shut your system down. Its why many people get no high off them. I never have, unless anxiety removal is considered a high.
For me benzos will work to kill pretty much everything. I wouldn't get any buzz from diaz and codiene no matter what amount as the diaz would walk all over the codiene.

As to it being dangerous.....there is a certain amount obviously, so not recommended. High doses will no doubt incur problems. Just as giving a 10 year old a pint of vodka will:|
 
I can't believe the price of GBL on the sites I've looked at now. I want to get 250ml or 500ml as its being made illegal soon isn't it? I guess that's why the prices have gone up :(

I've never had a problem with it thankfully, I can take it or leave it when it's in my possession... Yeah, if I can find a cheap source online I'll get a bit I reckon. The price I last paid was £26 for 125ml I think. That was a while ago, doubt I'd find it that cheap any more though.
 
brokenbrain said:
I see no post here that says FUCK YEAH BRO, 80MG DIAZ, 100MG TEMAZ, 10MG XANAX AND 4ML GBL...ITS THE SHIT!
Thats because there won't be one.
A. The regular contributors here know whats what and
B. BENZOS KILL GBL HIGH!

For me any amount..eg 10mg librium as a low dose, does a good job of removing the high.
Benzos are entirely meant to shut your system down. Its why many people get no high off them. I never have, unless anxiety removal is considered a high.
For me benzos will work to kill pretty much everything. I wouldn't get any buzz from diaz and codiene no matter what amount as the diaz would walk all over the codiene.

As to it being dangerous.....there is a certain amount obviously, so not recommended. High doses will no doubt incur problems. Just as giving a 10 year old a pint of vodka will:|
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I think maybe you're a bit blinkered? When I look back to the some of the stuff I did on xanax and geeb, fuck me it makes me cringe... Have you ever been on the other end, watching somebody on benzos and geeb? There's no way one can say that it's normal.
 
^what are you talking about?
What am I being blinkered about?
I can say that I have never seen another person fucked up on G. A few have taken little bits and not liked it and thats it.
No doubt if someone took 10mg xanax and 4ml Gbl there would be SEVERE problems.

The poster above admits to being on diazepam for over a year, which would account for why the GBL cut through it. For me personally, not being a 24/7 benzo taker then when I do take them they have more of an effect and the few times I've taken any and a few hours later taken GBL, it has been much more of a depressant than usual, eg GABA-A and GABA-B agonism, but no stimulation of this GHB receiving apparatus.
 
brokenbrain said:
^what are you talking about?

The poster above admits to being on diazepam for over a year, which would account for why the GBL cut through it. For me personally, not being a 24/7 benzo taker then when I do take them they have more of an effect and the few times I've taken any and a few hours later taken GBL, it has been much more of a depressant than usual, eg GABA-A and GABA-B agonism, but no stimulation of this GHB receiving apparatus.
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What are you talking about?8o

^^^Makes no sense at all
 
My head is absolutely fucked in a very bad way and I've been almost dead several times this week and I really cannot think straight at all.
If I go online tomorrow I will try to explain what I wrote above.
 
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