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Harm Reduction Ok You Guys Scare Me (About IVing Pills)

^ Don't listen to him, that guy is disgustingly reckless (and quite stupid). Apparently he heats his pills, even though everything says not to. He doesn't give a fuck about harm reduction, and as a result, I won't surprised if he kills himself with them.


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I don't know if its been posted yet, but here's the ingredients for the 8mg mallinckrodt hydromorphone:

In addition, each tablet contains the following inactive ingredients: lactose monohydrate NF, magnesium stearate NF, microcrystalline cellulose NF and stearic acid NF.

...from http://www.mims.com/Page.aspx?menuid=mng&Name=Hydromorphone+Hydrochloride+Tablet
 
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I don't know if its been posted yet, but here's the ingredients for the 8mg mallinckrodt hydromorphone:

In addition, each tablet contains the following inactive ingredients: lactose monohydrate NF, magnesium stearate NF, microcrystalline cellulose NF and stearic acid NF.

...from http://www.mims.com/Page.aspx?menuid=mng&Name=Hydromorphone+Hydrochloride+Tablet

heh...heh...heh...

microcrystalline cellulose is horrible. God awful.

I don't know what micron filter you would need to filter it out either. I think 0.2 would get it, as it also gets talc, but yeah. I wouldn't IV dilaudid without a micron filter if you can't get the brand name ones which lack the microcrystalline cellulose.

I just IVed two 5mg oxyir Capsules

I don't like them as much as 5mg IR tablets, because when you heat them up, everything desolves

Do you think inactive ingredients dissolving into your shot is a good thing?
 
just a side not for the OP, I went to a music festival in West Virginia last July and ran accross a very stead cheap connection for those same dilaudids he posted a picture of. I heated them stupidly because thats the way I was told to do it, and hadnt really iv'd pills at that point. I only filtered them once and after using about 6-10 of them per day for 3 days I developed a very painful swelling, first in my right ankle then in my left. (i was also using multiple other substances that weekend, [variety of psychs, xanax, booze , mdma, IV cocaine] but the fact is I think it was the dilaudid which was directly responsible for what I came to the conclusion was pulmonary edema). Once I stopped IVing dilaudid, the swelling went away. I guess my point is, definitley DO NOT HEAT ANY PILLS, EVEN DILAUDID, if u dont have access to wheel filters (which are ideal) use a cotton to filter, filter two or three times until your solution is crystal clear then inject and be very careful not to miss. What caused the swelling was my liver eventually quitting on me I guess so without the liver filtering the shitstorm of substances I was injecting, I guess they just started pooling up at my ankles - similar to when alcholics drink too much and their ankles swell up. Its not a good look - unless the girls you get with are into Kankles, I would try for micron filters or multiple filtrations with cotton. And for the love of god use cold water and dont heat that shit up. Just my experience - hope it helps
 
just a side not for the OP, I went to a music festival in West Virginia last July and ran accross a very stead cheap connection for those same dilaudids he posted a picture of. I heated them stupidly because thats the way I was told to do it, and hadnt really iv'd pills at that point. I only filtered them once and after using about 6-10 of them per day for 3 days I developed a very painful swelling, first in my right ankle then in my left. (i was also using multiple other substances that weekend, [variety of psychs, xanax, booze , mdma, IV cocaine] but the fact is I think it was the dilaudid which was directly responsible for what I came to the conclusion was pulmonary edema). Once I stopped IVing dilaudid, the swelling went away. I guess my point is, definitley DO NOT HEAT ANY PILLS, EVEN DILAUDID, if u dont have access to wheel filters (which are ideal) use a cotton to filter, filter two or three times until your solution is crystal clear then inject and be very careful not to miss. What caused the swelling was my liver eventually quitting on me I guess so without the liver filtering the shitstorm of substances I was injecting, I guess they just started pooling up at my ankles - similar to when alcholics drink too much and their ankles swell up. Its not a good look - unless the girls you get with are into Kankles, I would try for micron filters or multiple filtrations with cotton. And for the love of god use cold water and dont heat that shit up. Just my experience - hope it helps

What psychedelics, if you don't mind me asking? Mushrooms, 2c's, amirite?

Also, thanks for posting your experience, it could go to help someone else from repeating the mistake to heat the solution. I'm glad the IV complication went away after you quit using.
 
I developed a very painful swelling, first in my right ankle then in my left...but the fact is I think it was the dilaudid which was directly responsible for what I came to the conclusion was pulmonary edema).
Pulmonary edema is an accumulation of fluid in the lungs. What you had sounds like 'anklular' edema. Either way... very nasty and potentially dangerous.
 
Lots of good info here - just wanted to add that I do believe Dilaudid has talc indirectly -- it contains magnesium stearate, that when mixed with water will form talc carbonates.
 
Lots of good info here - just wanted to add that I do believe Dilaudid has talc indirectly -- it contains magnesium stearate, that when mixed with water will form talc carbonates.

I believe you are actually correct with this and it's one of the reasons why I consistently use .20um micron filters when shooting Dilaudid's. Not to mention the sheer number I get a month would be foolish not to try and do it the healthiest way possible. I mean I don't IV all 6X 4mg's a day but lately my pain level has been horrid and I've definitely IV'd a lot more then i'm used to IV'ing so i've stocked up on .20uma nd .45um micron filters for health reasons.

Plus I have a consistent source for them even in small quantities and they are VERY affordable. (#5) .20um micron filters will only run $10 plus a smalls hipping fee and you'll have them in 2 days from the reliable source I use. As the moderator Captain Heroin had said to the OP. Or even ANYONE else. Simply PM me and i'll get you into contact with a personal contact of mine who deals with shipping these micron filters everyday and will get you everything you need. For less than $20 I can have (#5) micron fitlers in any size you want, with (#5) luer lock syringes that fit them, & shipping to your house in 2 days with your payment guaranteed with insurance through PayPal.

I make nothing off of this and my contact makes a very small amount, we both do it for the sake of harm reduction and the community. We both believe in educating people and making unhealthy practices, like IV'ing pills. As healthy as possible. Nothings worse then doing a bunch of un-changeable damage to your body that doesn't even show up or cause problems till long after you've ceased the dangerous practice. Problems from IV'ing pills without proper filtration are scary because they can show up LONG after you've quit doing them. Talc in your lungs can sit there for years. Anyone looking for micron filters though, PM me and I can give you an e-mail address for a very compassionate legit fellow who can take care of you even if you only have $10 for them. I know 95% of the sites you can buy them from online simply don;t have any quantity that costs less then $75-$100 which someone who is only going to do this once in awhile probably doesn't want to spend. I know I didn't.


***If you don't have microns or money and care about your health this helps***
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As far as Dilaudid though, it is one of the much safer pills you can IV even if you only have cotton filters laying around. Much Much safer than OC's. Shooting an OC with just cotton filters is a sure fire way to get all kinds of other ingredients floating around in your circulatory system that don't need to be there & aren't going to dissolve or filter out on it's own. If you MUST use just cotton the best thing you can do is filter 3 times and do it this way. Filter once regular in the spoon just like you would anything (ex: heroin) then take an extra syringe and pull the plunger out. Pack this syringe about half an inch full of cotton from qtips. I mean pack them in there good and hard. Now take the syringe full of liquid you drew up already and back load it into the syringe you packed full of cotton. Put the plunger back in now and force the liquid to be pushed through the packed cotton you put in the syringe.

There should be some resistance and you should be having to give it a decent amount of pressure to push the liquid through the cotton you packed in the syringe. This collects a lot of the crap you don't get from just drawing through a cotton. As your pushing this liquid through the syringe packed full of cotton be collecting the liquid coming out into a total clean new spoon. Now drop a cotton into this liquid and draw it up into the syringe your going to shoot with. Now this liquids been drawn through a cotton, pushed through a syringe packed HARD full of cotton, and then drawn through a cotton again. This form of triple filtering i've found to give the closest to a crystal clear solution i've ever been able to get without using a micron filter. This is my ghetto triple filter method that i;ve found to be good for Dilaudid if you don;t have a micron filter. It leaves clear liquid not cloudy at all.

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All in all just be safe IV'ing pills. A lot can go wrong, a lot of health problems can rise from it later, & do yourself a favor if it's your DOC or something you do a lot. Get some micron filters. PM me and i'll set you up with someone. Whats $10 and 2 days waiting if it saves your lung, your arm, your heart, etc. I'm not preaching at all, and i'm not making a dime off of this. I'm just trying to help my bluelight brethren out.

Also to the OP. NO MORE DILAUDID COLDSHAKES. Please =D If you have any questions you can always PM them to me. I'm not only an addict, and not only a chronic pain patient. I'm also an RN and I like to help people. It's my job. Most ER RN's wouldn't give you IV advice or help you locate filters, but im not like most. I'd rather educate people on how to avoid medical issues then have to lecture them about it later on why it was dumb. Im all about prevention.

I love bluelight and will do anything I can to give back to it for everything it's given me over the last 6+ years of my life.
 
I should have been more descriptive - you are correct that magnesium stearate is not water soluble ... however when mixed with water, many processes occur including spontaneous carbonation. The result is many newly combined precipitates, including talc carbonates.

One of the reasons you find desiccants in most pill containers... to prevent new chemistry from happening in the bottle.
 
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It creates talc carbonates from everything i've looked into as well, although magnesium stearate is actually insoluble in water as it's own chemical. Which is one of the main reasons I still always advocate the usage of a very fine .20 micron filter when shooting Dilaudid because you can completely remove any talc. .20um is so small that it even removes bacteria and virus's. I mean pretty much "nothing" get's through .20um's. That is VERY small.+

To Eight0Eight, yeah i guess 5 filters for $10 sounds like it's a lot but it's really not. Especially shopping around. I guess if I was shooting heroin i wouldn't care as much but personally shooting something like Dilaudid where I can't afford the consequences of Talc building up in my lungs, it seems invaluable and not a large price to pay at all. It's the price I pay to IV them.

I mean I'm not having to shell a bunch of money out for every single dosage so I don't mind paying $2 for a filter I can use most of the day. $2 a day... times 30 = $60. insurance Co-Pay for 180 4mg Dilaudid. I spend less then $70 for a few 8mg shot's of Dilaudid a day for an entire month. That doesn't sound unreasonable at all. I mean I don't even IV them daily but i'm saying if I wanted to, I could theoretically do (3X) 8mg's IV'd a day for 30 day's and it would only cost me $70. I used to spend more then $70 a day to stay high on heroin. I mean that's just over $2 a day to not only be able to IV Dilaudid but to do it safely removing all bacteria & particulates at breakfast, lunch, and dinner each day for the month.

That doesn't sound crazy or unreasonable to me at all to me. It sounds like it's cheaper then a pack of cigarettes everyday and i'm watching out for my health.
 
I can attest that banging pills (regardless of how "clean" you think they are) will do some damage to your body.

Now , whether or not your body can "fix" that damage is debateable. Personally , I believe that your body can get that shit out of your lungs , eyes, etc , within a few months of stopping. But it definately can build up.

I come to the conclusion because I had about a 2 month, between 200 - 500 mg iv morphine pill habit. The pills were very high quality , with the imprint "PF 100" . They were very similar to oxycontin as you had to suck the paint coating off, and the pill was MOSTLY active ingredient with very little fillers (no more than 50mgs). To say the least, they were fucking amazing. Early on in the habit, a shot would give me such pins and needles that I would not be able to stand.

Needless to say, I did as many and as much as possible. They were free and to a recovering junkie, gold. But after about 3 weeks, I began to notice something... Maybe it was withdrawl symptoms in conjunction... but I was getting pretty bad pains in my chest (hard to breathe) and weird pain i've never felt before in my eyes.

I concluded that they were probally related, the pain and the pills, when I stopped with the pills and kept on with an opiate habit. I had weird side ,eye, and chest pain for a few weeks. Now I feel like I can breathe A LOT better.

So , in conclusion, I feel that banging pills once in a while (if you don't miss! the few morphine misses were fucking BAD. the areas stayed around for for like a week, and HURT!) is not TOO bad.I understand the stern warnings given on BL (and for good reason) but I wouldn't be so worried to never IV a pill. Dilaudeds , they have to. Morphine pill with no wax, absolutely!

Street drugs, meant to be IV'd (namely heroin, coke is kinda sketchy) are a lot safter long term.

-lenses
 
heh...heh...heh...

microcrystalline cellulose is horrible. God awful.

I don't know what micron filter you would need to filter it out either. I think 0.2 would get it, as it also gets talc, but yeah. I wouldn't IV dilaudid without a micron filter if you can't get the brand name ones which lack the microcrystalline cellulose.

Microcrystalline cellulose is as small as 5 microns, so no micron filter is going to help. It doesn't dissolve in water or organic solvents so imagine how long it will sit in blood and tissues.

Cold shaking Dilaudids? Jesus Christ, that's low. That's what people do when they have no other choice (ie can't afford a spoon). Just because you can't see the damage doesn't mean it's not there... ignore it all you like but if the dice roll the wrong number for you, you're risking a limb/lungs/eye AND a killer ER bill if you're a US citizen
 
I should have been more descriptive - you are correct that magnesium stearate is not water soluble ... however when mixed with water, many processes occur including spontaneous carbonation. The result is many newly combined precipitates, including talc carbonates.

One of the reasons you find desiccants in most pill containers... to prevent new chemistry from happening in the bottle.

Let me ask you this, how much magnesium stearate turns into talc carbonates? How much stirring do you have to do? I don't believe I have quite heard of this before.

Is it a steady %age? Is it 100%? etc
 
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Let me rephrase; all OC's contain talc.

Not to get too off topic here either but, i know talc fucks shit up in your lungs, but what other cuts are as dangerious/more dangerous than talc? It seems talc might be the worst threat in shooting pills.

If Talc was the worst thing in pills to IV, a whole generation of addicted Anglo-Saxons would still be walking the earth :p

Silicone Dioxide.
 
I shoot Subutex.

If you're an addict, it won't get you high.

It will just make it go further - and help with the needle cravings.

i don't remember where but i read that shooting subutex (i used to do this too) is one of the most dangerous things you can shoot up!!

otherwise, H is probably less dangerous to inject than pills, unless its "cheese" H:p
 
Microcrystalline cellulose is as small as 5 microns, so no micron filter is going to help. It doesn't dissolve in water or organic solvents so imagine how long it will sit in blood and tissues.

Cold shaking Dilaudids? Jesus Christ, that's low. That's what people do when they have no other choice (ie can't afford a spoon). Just because you can't see the damage doesn't mean it's not there... ignore it all you like but if the dice roll the wrong number for you, you're risking a limb/lungs/eye AND a killer ER bill if you're a US citizen

Amen to that, The ER bill is going to make you wish you did die when you get it if you don't have insurance. I just switched jobs so my insurance wouldn't go into effect for 90 days. Well I got real sick like I do sometimes about 2 weeks ago now and had no choice but to stay in the hospital for 4 days un-insured. My bill for 4 days, with NO SURGERIES or anything crazy was over $10,000. All hail America and our amazing health care system. But hey since I wasn't insure I qualify for a 40% discount. If I pay it out of pocket in one lump sum they are willimg to take $6,000 cash but I have to pay that in one lump sum in cash in a month. Ya know because I got that kind of money for medical bills, I just can't afford my insurance right now.... .... .... Crazy crap.

You wonder why I have no qualms in using a micron filter and clean practice to IV myself Dilaudid at home when my pain is out of control rather then go to the ER/Hospital. Realistically going to the ER, receiving fluids, zofran for nausea, & a singe LOW dose in-effective for the most part Dilaudid shot will cost me about $2,500 for just a few hours. This is with no special care, no new diagnoses, no CT scan or X-rays, etc. This is looking at my chart and giving me IV nausea and pain control on the spot. This only gives me a bandage on my problem that lasts for 4-5 hours & they want just shy of $3,000 for it. It makes me sick to my stomach and helps me justify the risk involved in an occasional self IV'd shot of Dilaudid using a .20um micron filter.

Plus at home I give myself 8mg's to 12mg's depending on my pain which get's bad enough for me to wish I was dead at times. The hospital will only give you 1mg, very very seldom 2mg's of you are REAL bad. Sometimes they just try giving me morphine instead as well and personally morphine doesn't work at all on me after being prescribed 24mg's of Dilaudid a day. So then I get a huge bill and don't even get pain control! Plus my own bed is much more comfortable then a hospital bed when I administer my own pain control ;)
 
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