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Could E-Cigarettes lead to marijuana becoming legal?

"big corporations" would LOSE ASSLOADS of cash if marijuana were legalized. You think Budwiser really wants to have to compete with Granddaddy purple blunts? You think Marlbs can compete with Juicy Fruit Joints?

How about pharamsutical companies? The legitamacy for benzos and other expensive and HIGHLY dangerous and addictive painkillers would have to be completely rethought when there is a legal PLANT that ANYONE CAN GROW FOR FREE in their house, and smoke to cure 1000s of different symptoms
 
you think weed, alcohol and cigarettes are in competition with each other? I certainly don't.

and sure, people could grow their weed for free, but: 1, there would be no reason to allow them to. there are laws about making your own booze, and I would be surprised if there aren't laws about growing your own tobacco. there is no reason you could regulate that.

and even if you couldn't, people are lazy. especially potheads. would I bother to set up huge hydroponic systems so i could grow the crazy strains to which I have become accustomed? no. I would go to my local dispensary and have like 6 options and backed goods and hash and kiff and god knows what else. sure, there will probably be some stoners 'beat the system' by not working 9-5 and doing nothing but grow their own pot and sit around and get stoned all day, but guess what? those people aren't exactly going to be spending big bucks anyway.

re: the benzos and painkillers. sure pot might help (for some), but it is certainly not a replacement. p
 
You can grow your own tabacco, I do it. It isn't hard and rolls into wonderful cigars.

And the way the laws are now, there will be no taxation towards patients with up to 8 plants.

And yes, weed, alcohol, cigarettes, and pharms are all in competition.
 
toa$t said:
rofl, what do you mean 'if it it becomes more profitable?' more profitable than what? the billion dollar industry it already is (and was that just in California?)?

'big corporations' would make ASSLOADS of cash if marijuana were to be legalized.
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Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? That the tobacco companies would help push for marijuana legalization so they could start making money off of it?

Are you high right now? That is a serious question. You aren't making any sense. :!
 
chainer3k said:
You can grow your own tabacco, I do it. It isn't hard and rolls into wonderful cigars.

And the way the laws are now, there will be no taxation towards patients with up to 8 plants.

And yes, weed, alcohol, cigarettes, and pharms are all in competition.
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I really don't think they are.

Is fast food in competition with grocery stores?

People spend LOTS of money on LOTS of shit. I know tons of people that smoke the good herb. The large majority of those people also smoke cigs and drink alcohol.

As far as the pharmaceutical companies go, do you really think people are going to give up taking all their meds and go straight to smoking weed instead? Of course they won't. First of all, doctors aren't going to support that. Second of all, marijuana isn't going to fix the ills most people take all those meds for. I think marijuana is a wonderful and magical plant, too, but it isn't going to solve your irritable bowel syndrome, your high blood pressure, or your raging cholesterol level. I suppose maybe Bengay might be go out of business if all the old people are toking up to get rid of their arthritis, but I don't see the pharma companies or big beer going out of business because people can get high.

One thing you have to realize, is that 100% of Americans aren't going to be toking up the day after marijuana gets legalized. Most Americans don't smoke weed right now, only around 20-30 million do it once a month or more. I'm sure that number will increase when/if it becomes legalized, but it'll be just like anything else. Some people will get converted and become regular users, some people will use it occasionally, and some people will try it and decide it isn't for them.

The only thing that would be in direct competition with marijuana is. . .well. . .nothing. People will still smoke cigs to get their nicotine rush and they'll still drink alcohol to get a buzz.

Like a said originally, E-cigs are in direct competition with tobacco because they give you the same rush without all the bad side effects. This could possibly prompt tobacco companies to decide they want to expand into marijuana sales, which would get them to push for legalization.
 
SpiralOut said:
Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? That the tobacco companies would help push for marijuana legalization so they could start making money off of it?

Are you high right now? That is a serious question. You aren't making any sense. :!
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you said: the fda will legalize marijuana if it becomes more profitable.

I asked: becomes more profitable than what?

Here is what I was driving at: marijuana is already insanely profitable. so if profit is the driving force behind the FDA legalizing it, why hasn't it already been legalized?

I didn't think it would be that difficult for you to make that leap, but apparently I was wrong.

I will try again:

you: pot industry + more profitable = legalization
me: pot = very profitable /= legalization

therefore, pot + more profitable /= legalization

that's it.
 
toa$t said:
you said: the fda will legalize marijuana if it becomes more profitable.

I asked: becomes more profitable than what?

Here is what I was driving at: marijuana is already insanely profitable. so if profit is the driving force behind the FDA legalizing it, why hasn't it already been legalized?

I didn't think it would be that difficult for you to make that leap, but apparently I was wrong.

I will try again:

you: pot industry + more profitable = legalization
me: pot = very profitable /= legalization

therefore, pot + more profitable /= legalization

that's it.
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Well, it has to become more profitable than any potential backlash from the public, loss of revenue from feeding the court system small time drug offenders and then locking some of them up, lost taxpayer dollars that politicians get to spend on the war on drugs, and any potential revenue loss from other areas like people above were talking about.

And actually, my point wasn't that selling marijuana was profitable so it should be legalized. My point was that big business (in this case tobacco companies) would lose a shit ton of money with the introduction of e-cigs. Thus, they'd look to make up that money elsewhere. Like someone said above, why would they give a shit about legalizing marijuana when they already make a killing (literally) off of selling tobacco products?
 
Sounds retarded. I have been a ciggarette smoker for two years now and I can tell you that it doesn't matter how I get my nicotine fix, because most of the addiction comes from the action of putting a cig up to your mouth, inhaling, and blowing out smoke. That and holding a tube with an ember on the end. It becomes so routine that I can't imagine feeling the same with an "e-cig". A little off topic I know but just had to say that.
 
Thizzz09 said:
Sounds retarded. I have been a ciggarette smoker for two years now and I can tell you that it doesn't matter how I get my nicotine fix, because most of the addiction comes from the action of putting a cig up to your mouth, inhaling, and blowing out smoke. That and holding a tube with an ember on the end. It becomes so routine that I can't imagine feeling the same with an "e-cig". A little off topic I know but just had to say that.
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you do realize that you do all of these things with an e-cigarette right?
 
SpiralOut said:
I really don't think they are.

Is fast food in competition with grocery stores?

People spend LOTS of money on LOTS of shit. I know tons of people that smoke the good herb. The large majority of those people also smoke cigs and drink alcohol.

As far as the pharmaceutical companies go, do you really think people are going to give up taking all their meds and go straight to smoking weed instead? Of course they won't. First of all, doctors aren't going to support that. Second of all, marijuana isn't going to fix the ills most people take all those meds for. I think marijuana is a wonderful and magical plant, too, but it isn't going to solve your irritable bowel syndrome, your high blood pressure, or your raging cholesterol level. I suppose maybe Bengay might be go out of business if all the old people are toking up to get rid of their arthritis, but I don't see the pharma companies or big beer going out of business because people can get high.

One thing you have to realize, is that 100% of Americans aren't going to be toking up the day after marijuana gets legalized. Most Americans don't smoke weed right now, only around 20-30 million do it once a month or more. I'm sure that number will increase when/if it becomes legalized, but it'll be just like anything else. Some people will get converted and become regular users, some people will use it occasionally, and some people will try it and decide it isn't for them.

The only thing that would be in direct competition with marijuana is. . .well. . .nothing. People will still smoke cigs to get their nicotine rush and they'll still drink alcohol to get a buzz.

Like a said originally, E-cigs are in direct competition with tobacco because they give you the same rush without all the bad side effects. This could possibly prompt tobacco companies to decide they want to expand into marijuana sales, which would get them to push for legalization.
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I see your point, I had the following senario in mind:


A)
I walk into GasMart's store with 10 bucks in my pocket... With those ten bucks I could get a (maybe) gram of weed, which I could probably spin into 2 skinny blunts... Or I could get 1 pack of cigs. Or I could some booze. I know what I would choose, personally.

B)
I've never smoked a cig before (hypothetical, I have), however I've also never smoked weed before. I'm interested in trying weed because I have heard of the high, and in comparison what could cigs do? Most people don't even know that cigs initally give a buzz that is much like being drunk. Why would I even be remotely interested in picking up an expensive habit like smoking cigs when I could just buy a pack of weed instead, and catch a buzz 10 times longer? I mean, the prices that cigs are at now, it can't be attracting many new smokers, and with weed available OTC, I could see some direct competition.

C)
I have problems concentrating on my homework, but it is negligable throughout the day. I could see a doctor and get a script for a pill that I would rather not take which separates me from my friends, and has high addiction potential, or I could grow my own herb for free and smoke that strain to slow the constant barrage of thoughts.

D)
I am depressed. My doctor gives me an SSRI... I know that weed helps me get out of the worst slumps, and that an SSRI isn't 100% necesary. I now have another option.

E)
You guessed it with arthritis, but it would also work for my HEADACHES and severe TMJ or other pains, something that I've personally have had benzos, pain killers, and other off-label prescriptions for. I choose not to use them or buy them anymore because I can just grow weed legally instead.

Just like an E-cig giving the rush without the negatives, weed can provide relief without the addiction or cost. Obviously some of these senarios are far-fetched, but I wrote them off the top of my head and who knows what crazy world we would be living in when we could all grow our own plants :) Obviously not everyone would toke up, but I do believe a vast majority of people would time to time, the same thinking applies to alcohol.

I think we would likely see a lot more self-medicating citizens at the cost of pharms, and a lot more smokers at the cost of tabacco.
 
toa$t said:
you do realize that you do all of these things with an e-cigarette right?
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Well, after actually looking up the picture I see it's not as bad as I originally assumed. But still, does a cloud of smoke come out when you exhale? Also, you don't light it up with a lighter which I know seems stupid but for me all those little details contribute to my, and most other smokers, addiction.
 
^ Ya, "smoke" comes out but it is really just vapor and not as thick. I would miss the action of sparking up as well.
 
They are completely the same to cigarettes except for hitting them with a lighter.

Hell, one company called BluCigs actually gives you a battery charger that holds your e-cigs and looks like a pack of cigarettes.
 
SpiralOut said:
They are completely the same to cigarettes except for hitting them with a lighter.

Hell, one company called BluCigs actually gives you a battery charger that holds your e-cigs and looks like a pack of cigarettes.
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Not true. The nicotine in E-cigarettes won't give the same buzz or head rush as cigarettes do, because cigarettes contain free-base nicotine and a MAOI, both of which speed up absorption rate and give the short lived buzz cigarettes do.

I'll get one if they make the buzz the same as a cigarette.
 
Rio Fantastic said:
Not true. The nicotine in E-cigarettes won't give the same buzz or head rush as cigarettes do, because cigarettes contain free-base nicotine and a MAOI, both of which speed up absorption rate and give the short lived buzz cigarettes do.

I'll get one if they make the buzz the same as a cigarette.
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You have any links to back this up? I haven't heard this and like I said, I'm not a smoker.

From all the reports from real smokers I've read, they seem to think it's the real deal.
 
There are actually 2 types of liquid that the cartridges, or ejuice, is made from. PG and VG. VG is vegetable based and less sweet. As for PG being dangerous that is absolutely ridiculous. There has been so many tests done on PG over the past 50 years that if there was something dangerous about it they would have found it.

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