The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration
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BiG StroOnZ
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^Don't know, but it works.
Try it out yourself. I thought it would be no different than crushing up the seeds and swallowing them, but it was not the case.
Try it out yourself. I thought it would be no different than crushing up the seeds and swallowing them, but it was not the case.
dread
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Maybe because the paper only melts in your stomach, so the stuff inside it doesn't get to irritate your digestive tract all the way... think of it as a "delayed release" formulation...
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Preload on Ginger tea, Ginger pills or Ginger gum, yo. Has def. helped descrease HBW nausea for me. I may eventually try plugging a CWE of HBW or MG. Ive this huge syringe called a flavor injector which can hold 30 ml (whereas an oral syringe holds 10 ml) or so so even if the water extract was a lot it would still fit.
Folks on Nexus claim ground HBW can be snorted but I think this is one case where they're wishful thinking overactive imaginations are giving them placebo. I'd think only way HBW might be sniffable is a CWE and even that prob. wouldn't work.
Some forum geeks also claim HBW can be smoked to mild relaxing effects. They generally smoked the outer shell. I one time while peaking on DXM scraped the shells of dozens of HBW seeds then packed a fat bowl and smoked it and thought I got a short lived tingly, relaxed buzz but realize it was prob. placebo helped along my the DXM.
Btw, I find the more I smoke Deems my HBW and DXM trips are now MUCH more visual. It's as if HBW and DXM give my Dimitri flashbacks. Gotta love those free bonus trips.
BTW the combo of Elf Spice and DXM is simply amazing. Now, if only I got try Salvia, Spice and DXM together (maybe with some Kratom to mellow it).
Oh, how I miss Sally D...
On other note, psychedelic tolerance is such a bitch. I get so sick of watching my friends trip out of their heads off doses of psychs that leave me basically sober. I'm at a point in my psychedelic career where I generally need psych cocktails to get fullfilling, insightful effects. I sometimes miss the days that just eating some HBW or MG or blotter/liquid or 2CE or DXM was enough.
I know I could still get powerful effects from Vitamin K but wouldn't dare touch the stuff, since in the past it made me quickly lose my grip on reality (massive confusion, paranoia, delusions of grandeur and persectuion, etc) and act so manic that society felt they had to commit me and contain me in a psych ward for weeks and weeks. Then I got released and was getting by for a few weeks but then my old K dealer called and showed up with a vial and he was in this super generous mood and let me shoot through 800 mg (+ I drank 700 mg DXM as I recall) over a short night for free as I was pretty broke or maybe it was a long night? i had no sense of time in that K stupor/daze).
One really creepy thing is the friend who gave me the 800 mg of K I never saw again as later when I was in rehab he overdosed on a polydrug combo and his heart stopped. It was spooky because he was a best friend and I felt in general I did much higher doses of harmful drugs than him and I expected I'd die first. So the classic "why him not me" question coarsed through me for months and I often had dreams where he was still alive only to wake up very disappointed.
Then next day my old blotter man (who is a mutiple fenon/former crackhead/thieve/hustler) calls and for some reason is willing to sell me a tenstrip for EXTREMELY cheap. I should have known from the price and his eagerness to hook me up that the squares were some dirty awful psych amp like DOX's. So, me feeling so fearless and brave from my K use scoffed at the idea that a tenstrip of just good ol Lucy could fuck with me. I wanted to get to the edge of sanity but easily ride out on top. Instead, the ten white squares took hours to kick in and I became increasingly manic, paranoid, delusional, fearful, disorganized, moody, and self-absorbed (to the point I felt the universe revolved around me).
I thought I was a key figure in this cosmic conspiracy between good and evil forces and that I was stuck to assume the role of savior/massiah/Neo (from The Matrix). I ran around the neighorhood feeling like a deranged version of Inspector Gadget. I was so gone I tried sitting in Hooters at the bar and i told people "I'm hear to do investigative work. I am a detective"). LOL!!!! Eventually officers intervened as a local bar owner and his daughter called 911 on me because i was standing in there lot in the middle of the night shining a flashlight and binoculars at the owner's daughter, who was sitting in her car (prob. nervous as hell at me). See, that whole situation began because it was really late at night (maybe past 4 or 5) and the bar's lot was empty except one car with a woman in it (the owner's daughter). And here I am thinking oh my god why is this one car sitting there while the bar is closed and lot is empty. I have no idea who the woman is and think what if she's with one of THEM (sinister groups i imagined in my delusional mind like powerful aliens, the CIA, cartels, gangs, DEA) so I must walk up and investigate with my binoculars and flashlight. Tis my duty as a galactic detective. I didn't see any harm in shining the light on her and i hadnt walked very close to her car. Yet the broad dialed her cellphone and I'm thinking oh great shes calling the cops prob. (amazing in such an insane state I realized the cops were called). And sure enough the cops arrive as does her crusty old dad, the bar owner. He has some words with me (that I've apparently blocked out) then a patrol car approaches me and all I remember is the officers asked me where would you like us to drive you.
And i considered saying my home but instead said the hospital as I seriously feared what if I never come down and my fear, confusion and paranoia just gets worse and worse. I was really sick of the speedy unnending insanity of the tenstrip. And didn't know if I'd ever come down. So they drop me at the hospital ER and i tell the nurse I NEED LOTS OF BENZOS NOW TO COME DOWN and she just looks at me like she could care less what i just said and just wants to get me processed to the psych ward. So before long I'm in the psych ward. But that's a story for another time. The one disturbing event in the ward i'll mention is one time an orderly felt i was getting too close to him and feared violence from me so he sicked a bunch of huge black linebacker looking orderlies on me (eventually maybe 7 of them). That experience was so horrible. I fought them off for over 5 minutes with my manic brute strength and saw them as weak annoying insects that i wished to growl at and say hateful things to. I eventuallly gave up bc some of them were crushing my lungs and I was seriously having problems breathing so i let them put me in the notorious restraining vest. I really didnt expect theyd resort to suffocating me. Seems like irresponsible, lazy, insensitive orderlies to me. LOL
That chaos all transpired over 4 years ago and I'm confident my mind is totally over it and my brain fully recovered. I had to learn to respect sanity and not risk pushing myself to snap whether it be from sleep deprivation, drugs or stress. It's pretty strange to me I can abuse very high frequent doses of 2CE, LSA's, DXM or paper and not feel out of reality at all. Yet just Ketamine easily pushed to my mental limits. My recent usage of Deems seems to be developing me a quick tolerance too. I think I'll be one of those folks who needs a 50 mg smoked dose or an Aya experience. I bet Salvia I could still learn a lot from.
Thank god, now 4 years later I feel totally mentally sound and calm and in control and compassionate and selfless. I'm def. not the selfabsorbed, smug, devious, aggressive weary, wired to the gills maniac i once was. In fact people compliment me on how sensible and stable I seem. I've a newfound respect for my sanity and never again will put in my body and mind a drug that could throw off my balance.
Folks on Nexus claim ground HBW can be snorted but I think this is one case where they're wishful thinking overactive imaginations are giving them placebo. I'd think only way HBW might be sniffable is a CWE and even that prob. wouldn't work.
Some forum geeks also claim HBW can be smoked to mild relaxing effects. They generally smoked the outer shell. I one time while peaking on DXM scraped the shells of dozens of HBW seeds then packed a fat bowl and smoked it and thought I got a short lived tingly, relaxed buzz but realize it was prob. placebo helped along my the DXM.
Btw, I find the more I smoke Deems my HBW and DXM trips are now MUCH more visual. It's as if HBW and DXM give my Dimitri flashbacks. Gotta love those free bonus trips.
BTW the combo of Elf Spice and DXM is simply amazing. Now, if only I got try Salvia, Spice and DXM together (maybe with some Kratom to mellow it).
Oh, how I miss Sally D...
On other note, psychedelic tolerance is such a bitch. I get so sick of watching my friends trip out of their heads off doses of psychs that leave me basically sober. I'm at a point in my psychedelic career where I generally need psych cocktails to get fullfilling, insightful effects. I sometimes miss the days that just eating some HBW or MG or blotter/liquid or 2CE or DXM was enough.
I know I could still get powerful effects from Vitamin K but wouldn't dare touch the stuff, since in the past it made me quickly lose my grip on reality (massive confusion, paranoia, delusions of grandeur and persectuion, etc) and act so manic that society felt they had to commit me and contain me in a psych ward for weeks and weeks. Then I got released and was getting by for a few weeks but then my old K dealer called and showed up with a vial and he was in this super generous mood and let me shoot through 800 mg (+ I drank 700 mg DXM as I recall) over a short night for free as I was pretty broke or maybe it was a long night? i had no sense of time in that K stupor/daze).
One really creepy thing is the friend who gave me the 800 mg of K I never saw again as later when I was in rehab he overdosed on a polydrug combo and his heart stopped. It was spooky because he was a best friend and I felt in general I did much higher doses of harmful drugs than him and I expected I'd die first. So the classic "why him not me" question coarsed through me for months and I often had dreams where he was still alive only to wake up very disappointed.
Then next day my old blotter man (who is a mutiple fenon/former crackhead/thieve/hustler) calls and for some reason is willing to sell me a tenstrip for EXTREMELY cheap. I should have known from the price and his eagerness to hook me up that the squares were some dirty awful psych amp like DOX's. So, me feeling so fearless and brave from my K use scoffed at the idea that a tenstrip of just good ol Lucy could fuck with me. I wanted to get to the edge of sanity but easily ride out on top. Instead, the ten white squares took hours to kick in and I became increasingly manic, paranoid, delusional, fearful, disorganized, moody, and self-absorbed (to the point I felt the universe revolved around me).
I thought I was a key figure in this cosmic conspiracy between good and evil forces and that I was stuck to assume the role of savior/massiah/Neo (from The Matrix). I ran around the neighorhood feeling like a deranged version of Inspector Gadget. I was so gone I tried sitting in Hooters at the bar and i told people "I'm hear to do investigative work. I am a detective"). LOL!!!! Eventually officers intervened as a local bar owner and his daughter called 911 on me because i was standing in there lot in the middle of the night shining a flashlight and binoculars at the owner's daughter, who was sitting in her car (prob. nervous as hell at me). See, that whole situation began because it was really late at night (maybe past 4 or 5) and the bar's lot was empty except one car with a woman in it (the owner's daughter). And here I am thinking oh my god why is this one car sitting there while the bar is closed and lot is empty. I have no idea who the woman is and think what if she's with one of THEM (sinister groups i imagined in my delusional mind like powerful aliens, the CIA, cartels, gangs, DEA) so I must walk up and investigate with my binoculars and flashlight. Tis my duty as a galactic detective. I didn't see any harm in shining the light on her and i hadnt walked very close to her car. Yet the broad dialed her cellphone and I'm thinking oh great shes calling the cops prob. (amazing in such an insane state I realized the cops were called). And sure enough the cops arrive as does her crusty old dad, the bar owner. He has some words with me (that I've apparently blocked out) then a patrol car approaches me and all I remember is the officers asked me where would you like us to drive you.
And i considered saying my home but instead said the hospital as I seriously feared what if I never come down and my fear, confusion and paranoia just gets worse and worse. I was really sick of the speedy unnending insanity of the tenstrip. And didn't know if I'd ever come down. So they drop me at the hospital ER and i tell the nurse I NEED LOTS OF BENZOS NOW TO COME DOWN and she just looks at me like she could care less what i just said and just wants to get me processed to the psych ward. So before long I'm in the psych ward. But that's a story for another time. The one disturbing event in the ward i'll mention is one time an orderly felt i was getting too close to him and feared violence from me so he sicked a bunch of huge black linebacker looking orderlies on me (eventually maybe 7 of them). That experience was so horrible. I fought them off for over 5 minutes with my manic brute strength and saw them as weak annoying insects that i wished to growl at and say hateful things to. I eventuallly gave up bc some of them were crushing my lungs and I was seriously having problems breathing so i let them put me in the notorious restraining vest. I really didnt expect theyd resort to suffocating me. Seems like irresponsible, lazy, insensitive orderlies to me. LOL
That chaos all transpired over 4 years ago and I'm confident my mind is totally over it and my brain fully recovered. I had to learn to respect sanity and not risk pushing myself to snap whether it be from sleep deprivation, drugs or stress. It's pretty strange to me I can abuse very high frequent doses of 2CE, LSA's, DXM or paper and not feel out of reality at all. Yet just Ketamine easily pushed to my mental limits. My recent usage of Deems seems to be developing me a quick tolerance too. I think I'll be one of those folks who needs a 50 mg smoked dose or an Aya experience. I bet Salvia I could still learn a lot from.
Thank god, now 4 years later I feel totally mentally sound and calm and in control and compassionate and selfless. I'm def. not the selfabsorbed, smug, devious, aggressive weary, wired to the gills maniac i once was. In fact people compliment me on how sensible and stable I seem. I've a newfound respect for my sanity and never again will put in my body and mind a drug that could throw off my balance.
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Ginger Jack
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Morning Glory Seeds (LSA) Question
Hey Bluelight,
I've never done LSA before and I'm planning to with a friend.
My question:
Erowid says that the feelin of LSA can be reached as low as 25 seeds.
But most reports on there said of 100 seeds to 200 seeds being taking by users.
I'm not looking to trip my first time really, I dont even really want to get a major threshold, just a minor one. I just want to be able to tell wether not I like it and worth taking more in the future.
If I were to take 25 seeds would I even feel anything, or would I trip decently hard?
Forgive my ignorance of the subject of LSA, never really heard anything of it.
Hey Bluelight,
I've never done LSA before and I'm planning to with a friend.
My question:
Erowid says that the feelin of LSA can be reached as low as 25 seeds.
But most reports on there said of 100 seeds to 200 seeds being taking by users.
I'm not looking to trip my first time really, I dont even really want to get a major threshold, just a minor one. I just want to be able to tell wether not I like it and worth taking more in the future.
If I were to take 25 seeds would I even feel anything, or would I trip decently hard?
Forgive my ignorance of the subject of LSA, never really heard anything of it.
thadocta13
Bluelighter
for first time i'd say about 50 seeds. it's not too much, but it's not too low. you'll feel it. how are you going to take them? just eat them?
Ginger Jack
Bluelighter
^^ yea, I'm just going to eat them,
I dont want to really trip but I dont want to take to little as neither.
Its like smoking weed for a first timer, one small hit off of a joint wont do much and by 3 hits they're stoned. I want to get that second hit and that second hit only.
I dont want to really trip but I dont want to take to little as neither.
Its like smoking weed for a first timer, one small hit off of a joint wont do much and by 3 hits they're stoned. I want to get that second hit and that second hit only.
nearjat
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Just wanna say guys, if you've been thinking of trying LSA but have been veering away in fear of a mediocre experience from "legal entheogens"- drop the preconceptions!!!!
most important trip of my life.
most important trip of my life.
NoArtFlav
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sorry if its been covered, but for HBW seeds, can swim just soak them and then grind them and eat in a yogurt for the same effects?? only look at like 5-6 seeds???
would this help with stomach pains? swim is just looking for the easiest roa and with the least amount of stomach pains???
would this help with stomach pains? swim is just looking for the easiest roa and with the least amount of stomach pains???
nearjat
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I'm reading on erowid that HBWR has somewhat commonly cause horrible/dangerous physical side effects. I didn't know this at all, I always assume LSA containing plants were as safe as LSD, which in retrospect makes no sense because plant matter is not exactly a pure chemical.
My friend had a somewhat bad trip and toward the end of the experience she was essentially unable to stand. She was tripping really hard so her explanations on how or why this was happening were pretty vague. It happened on-and-off for the whole night, but she is fine now. My other tripping buddy and I both puked during the come up and had none of these effects, could her holding back her urge to puke during the come up have something to do with it?
She was also very, very anxious during the trip. I think back to the phrase "worried sick" and it seems easy to imagine intense anxiety causing some ridiculously strong fatigue, especially late at night with little to eat.
My friend had a somewhat bad trip and toward the end of the experience she was essentially unable to stand. She was tripping really hard so her explanations on how or why this was happening were pretty vague. It happened on-and-off for the whole night, but she is fine now. My other tripping buddy and I both puked during the come up and had none of these effects, could her holding back her urge to puke during the come up have something to do with it?
She was also very, very anxious during the trip. I think back to the phrase "worried sick" and it seems easy to imagine intense anxiety causing some ridiculously strong fatigue, especially late at night with little to eat.
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Does anyone have any concrete experience using piracetam alongside LSA? I saw it mentioned a couple times on this thread but everything seemed pretty vague. I'm on a regular piracetam routine and am considering taking a CWE of MGS this weekend. I wouldn't mind some potentiation as I've read differing reports on the effectiveness of a standard CWE - being that I don't get to trip very often it'll be quite disappointing for nothing to happen.
On the other hand, I don't want to end up in an infinite hell all night if piracetam happens to boost the shit out of LSA. Thinking about using 9 grams of MGS.
EDIT - whoops, looks like I had skimmed over a couple long posts. The Wizard, I see piracetam seems to benefit your LSA trips... anybody else have any experience?
On the other hand, I don't want to end up in an infinite hell all night if piracetam happens to boost the shit out of LSA. Thinking about using 9 grams of MGS.
EDIT - whoops, looks like I had skimmed over a couple long posts. The Wizard, I see piracetam seems to benefit your LSA trips... anybody else have any experience?
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The Wizard
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I usually try to remember to eat 2-3 grams of Piracetam an hour or two before I dose on HBW. Last Fri. night I ate a few g of Piracetam and 3 heaping tablespoons of Cocoa powder (Hershey's brand) as I'd heard from E-Dot members that Cocoa can potentiate HBW nicely, counteract the sleepy/lazy feeling with its stimulant effects, and counteract the vasoconstriction of HBW as Cocoa is a vasodilator.
I ate 25 HBW seeds which is a very typical dose for me and usually is underwhelming and way too easy to handle as I've used HBW somewhere between 40 and 50 times in the last few years. Well, this time HBW def. wasn't underwhelming and was extremely intense with arguably the best open eyed visuals HBW has ever given me, complete with intense morphing of objects (which reminded me a lot of a strong dose of good Psilo).
I won't jump to conclusions though and assume the Piracetam and Cocoa were necessarily the cause of those 25 HBW being SOOOO much incredibly stronger than usual as I'd smoked Dimitri a number of times the week leading up to the HBW trip and really wonder if the Deems had rewired my brain in a way that made me much more sensitive to HBW.
That HBW trip a week ago was so mindblowing that it has made me totally lose interest in mushies and blotter as they're so expensive and hit and miss and who knows wtf you're really eating. I def. have a newfound respect for HBW. On the comedown SWIM sucked on wads of Coca which synergized nicely and eventually popped benzos and booze to wind down the night and get into a deep sleep.
I've used Piracetam with HBW a lot and feel it tends to make the trip more clearheaded and focused and def. not more overwhelming than usual. I really don't get why so many people here on BL have had really rough experiences combining Piracetam with 5HT2A agonist Tryptamines or Phenethylamines. I've combined Piracetam with Lucy, 2CE and MDxx's numerous times and always loved the synergy.
In my experience combining Piracetam with a psychedelic makes it easier for me to integrate any insight the trip gives me as I remain so clearheaded and coherant. Piracetam also seems to make the comedown from psychs smoother for me.
I still very much want to one day see how Moclobemide, THH, Caapi, Selegiline, or Tranylcypromine would synergize with HBW. I've used Syrian Rue with HBW 4 times and the combo of Harmine and Harmaline with HBW once and all those experiences were very positive (except for one HBW/Syrian Rue trip which was just boring; prob. because I had so much tolerance at the time or the fact my Syrian Rue and HBW seeds were very old and poorly stored).
I wouldn't eat Rue with HBW again because it sometimes increase HBW's nausea and sleepiness way too much. I can bet Caapi would be way cleaner with HBW than Rue. The only way I'd do Syrian Rue with HBW again is smoking homemade Syrian Rue resin while peaking. Why the heck has no one tried Moclobemide with HBW or MG's??? Yet lots of people have tried Moclobemide with mushies or Deemster and loved the synergy. *Shrugs*
I ate 25 HBW seeds which is a very typical dose for me and usually is underwhelming and way too easy to handle as I've used HBW somewhere between 40 and 50 times in the last few years. Well, this time HBW def. wasn't underwhelming and was extremely intense with arguably the best open eyed visuals HBW has ever given me, complete with intense morphing of objects (which reminded me a lot of a strong dose of good Psilo).
I won't jump to conclusions though and assume the Piracetam and Cocoa were necessarily the cause of those 25 HBW being SOOOO much incredibly stronger than usual as I'd smoked Dimitri a number of times the week leading up to the HBW trip and really wonder if the Deems had rewired my brain in a way that made me much more sensitive to HBW.
That HBW trip a week ago was so mindblowing that it has made me totally lose interest in mushies and blotter as they're so expensive and hit and miss and who knows wtf you're really eating. I def. have a newfound respect for HBW. On the comedown SWIM sucked on wads of Coca which synergized nicely and eventually popped benzos and booze to wind down the night and get into a deep sleep.
I've used Piracetam with HBW a lot and feel it tends to make the trip more clearheaded and focused and def. not more overwhelming than usual. I really don't get why so many people here on BL have had really rough experiences combining Piracetam with 5HT2A agonist Tryptamines or Phenethylamines. I've combined Piracetam with Lucy, 2CE and MDxx's numerous times and always loved the synergy.
In my experience combining Piracetam with a psychedelic makes it easier for me to integrate any insight the trip gives me as I remain so clearheaded and coherant. Piracetam also seems to make the comedown from psychs smoother for me.
I still very much want to one day see how Moclobemide, THH, Caapi, Selegiline, or Tranylcypromine would synergize with HBW. I've used Syrian Rue with HBW 4 times and the combo of Harmine and Harmaline with HBW once and all those experiences were very positive (except for one HBW/Syrian Rue trip which was just boring; prob. because I had so much tolerance at the time or the fact my Syrian Rue and HBW seeds were very old and poorly stored).
I wouldn't eat Rue with HBW again because it sometimes increase HBW's nausea and sleepiness way too much. I can bet Caapi would be way cleaner with HBW than Rue. The only way I'd do Syrian Rue with HBW again is smoking homemade Syrian Rue resin while peaking. Why the heck has no one tried Moclobemide with HBW or MG's??? Yet lots of people have tried Moclobemide with mushies or Deemster and loved the synergy. *Shrugs*
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Nice to hear the Piracetam work pretty well with HBW. I am pretty big fan of HBW, they are cheap, legal and HBW trips tend to be more varied that regular LSD. I really need to try combining Piracetam and HBW. I've only combined Piracetam with MDMA and I've had excellent results. It felt like trying MDMA for the first time and the roll was really lucid in a good way. Normally, in or order to get where I want to be with MDMA I have to eat a whole bunch which makes really fucked up. With Piracetam, I get all the positive from MDMA and I get to remember and "feel" the "MDMA love".
Where you tripping alone when you combined Piracetam with HBW? Are you experienced with tripping on HBW alone? I've never tried HBW by myself but I am considering trying it once I start living alone again.
Ds
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I extracted 200 HBWR seeds, used the white gass/everclear method, and holy shit. I ended up drinking the 50ml bottle of all the 200 HBWR seeds and litterlly went MIA for a day and a half. I woke up in some national park 15 miles from my home. I have no idea what the trip was like, all I know is when I take large amounts of LSA/LSD i always turn into a caveman. I find myself in the most random places in the woods. I know that was wayy to much. Its always weird to come-to in places like this.
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Ds
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Yes it was HBWR seeds. I intended to make the shit and take a ml to trip. I ended up having a bad day. ( Got in a fight with parents.) And wanted to get fucked up. Bad idea when you trip. I don't remember much, I know when I act like a dumb ass and take a lot of hallucinogens I always have a bad trip. The only negative thing about it was coming out of the trip with no cloths on, butt ass naked in the woods. I wonder what the fuck I did that entire day. Just like when I take any LSD I always disappear and end up in the woods. It's scary fucking shit.
I bought 200 of the seeds to extract em and sell the shit as LSD. If I knew that I was going to take them all I wouldn'tve done it.
I bought 200 of the seeds to extract em and sell the shit as LSD. If I knew that I was going to take them all I wouldn'tve done it.
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