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Opioids Mega Merged: Ultimate poppy pod/seed tea thread - Part II

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Well I'm sure I'm not the first opiate addict to have done something like that. I know many people who would if they had to. I saw an episode of intervention where there was this homeless heroin addict IM'ing into rock hard scarred up muscle with toilet water. At least it was my own body fluids.
 
Dead-N said:
I've been drinking PPT for a month or so daily to get off of 60mg methadone (tired of the clinic crap) .. It works fine for that but I am noticing that a lot of people are making tea with 3-5 teaspoons and it seems like a lot less then I use but I don't have a good source i'm betting.

I am using around 5 medium sized pods which makes like maybe half a cup of powder i'd say and it only gets me through the day. Feels like roughly 10-20mg of oxy sort of relief, nothing noticeable really but it works for what I want.

My question is, am I just getting weak pods or is it just that my tolerance is already high from the years of H and Methadone clinics? Is 5 medium sized pods per cup considered a bit much? I'm going for the equivalent of about a 20mg oxy per cup of tea. Should I try out more sources that I find or is it just the way it goes if one has a tolerance? I'd go through 100 pods in no time if I upped the amount per cup.

If anyone can tell me how many teaspoons or cup measurement they use to get the relief equal to some pharmaceutical equivalent that they are used to, it would help me out in gauging how potent or not potent the pods are. Don't want to waste money on a new untrusted source if the potency is what it is supposed to be already.

Thanks!
-Dead-N
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I would tend to think that if your tolerance was about 60mg of methadone, it would take a lot of poppies to mantain yourself so I think that 5 pods per day doesn't sound too bad. I wish that I could compare the subjective effects from tea with other opiates but I haven't used any synthetics or pills besides a percocet here and there when I first discovered opiates (and that was probably 18 months ago). I never had any opiate connections so thats why I ended up going with kratom followed by poppies.

From what some of the "experts" on here have said, there isn't really very much morphine in commerically grown poppies because they are not collected at the peak time when morphine content is highest. Instead, they are harvested when the poppies are starting to (or already are) dead. The morphine content starts to drop off after a certain point so even before the plants are dead the morphine content is dropping. Factor in the length of time before we see the product and you can see that there may not have been much morphine to start with, and surely a lot of it has degraded before we saw the product.

Still, a lot of people report poppies being able to hold them over with larger tolerances (and some say they can get high too). I don't discredit this on either side, I only know that the poppies get me high and thats all I worry about.

I can tell you that I have been making tea for at least a year and 5 medium poppies would barely be enough to keep me from being sick. Given your tolerance, I would think you would require way more than that so either your pods are quite good or you are barely mantaining yourself. I'm honestly surprised that you can much relief at all from pods if you have been using heroin and been on methadone for years. Poppies could never do for anyone what heroin could do, that I know for sure.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
I really don't know how much PPT I can maintain on as I took as much as I could possibly afford (spent food money on it etc.). I could probably maintain on less than 60mg, but where's the fun in that (rhetorical question)?

280g powder makes a whole damn 2-3L jug of pod tea. Can you imagine trying to drink three litres of foul tasting tea? I did this every day and it was torture, even with chasers. I can't count the number of times I projectile vomitted my daily dose of opiates across the room. It's so depressing when that happens so you can imagine how happy I am to be on methadone (it makes me cringe when people complain about the taste of methadone - I wish they could go through what I went through). I can remember the last time I threw it up. I started crying as it took hours to prepare, until I had an idea. Instead of wasting the rest of the day I thought it was more bearable to collect the vomit which I had managed to get in a container and drink it. It was disgusting but I sure felt proud when I managed to get the bile-flavoured soup down my throat.
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Wow, I honestly could not imagine trying to drink that much tea down, I would throw up too! That was the aspect of poppy tea that seemed self limiting to me, I could only drink a certain amount of foul fluid without getting sick. Eventually I learned to take breaks if I wanted to keep getting high on a given dose. The only thing that shocks me about this story is the fact that you were able to drink basically vomit and somehow not throw that up.

Do you know how long you were using poppy tea just out of curiousity?? If you were dosing daily and trying to get high each time it probably wouldnt take long for tolerance to escalate to 280g.
 
QuasiStoned said:
Wow, I honestly could not imagine trying to drink that much tea down, I would throw up too! That was the aspect of poppy tea that seemed self limiting to me, I could only drink a certain amount of foul fluid without getting sick. Eventually I learned to take breaks if I wanted to keep getting high on a given dose. The only thing that shocks me about this story is the fact that you were able to drink basically vomit and somehow not throw that up.

Do you know how long you were using poppy tea just out of curiousity?? If you were dosing daily and trying to get high each time it probably wouldnt take long for tolerance to escalate to 280g.
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not true. many people on this forum and myself included have used the same dose for quite some time to get high.

i get high every day and have been for 8-9 months (holy shit its been that long?) and i've always used around a half cup of grounds each time. i had a few weeks where i was using more trying to get really high but that was it. generally a half cup is what im always using and i get high each time. every other painkiller i've had to up the dose in a couple days, but with poppies it really doesn't seem to go up fast at all.

then again im sure people know their limits and keep upping the dose trying to get even more fucked. i've pretty much gotten wasted off a half cup for months though every night. i should note that i have taken a few week long breaks, or at least gone till i was done physical withdrawal and started back up again. probably done that 3-5 times in the 8 months.
 
QuasiStoned said:
Wow, I honestly could not imagine trying to drink that much tea down, I would throw up too! That was the aspect of poppy tea that seemed self limiting to me, I could only drink a certain amount of foul fluid without getting sick. Eventually I learned to take breaks if I wanted to keep getting high on a given dose. The only thing that shocks me about this story is the fact that you were able to drink basically vomit and somehow not throw that up.

Do you know how long you were using poppy tea just out of curiousity?? If you were dosing daily and trying to get high each time it probably wouldnt take long for tolerance to escalate to 280g.
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Sure, I remember how long. It was about 5 months, which isn't long at all. Trust me, I find it confusing how my tolerance escalated. The only explanation I can come up with is that I'm either a freak or my pods were weak.
 
I have a question for all of you poppy tea drinkers .....do you usually get hungry after you drink your tea? Usually when i drink ptea I get this horrible 'hunger pains' is the best way to describe it....even if I wasnt hungry before or I had eaten something earlier in the day. So Im thinking is it just my stomach lining that gets a little irritated with the tea (ulcer?)
Anyone here with the same problem as me?
 
yeah I have heard that, it annoys me to no end when my bf and I drink poppy tea together, and Im the only one hungry lol
Does your stomach hurt at all when you drink a nice strong poppy tea??
 
QuasiStoned said:
I would tend to think that if your tolerance was about 60mg of methadone, it would take a lot of poppies to mantain yourself so I think that 5 pods per day doesn't sound too bad. I wish that I could compare the subjective effects from tea with other opiates but I haven't used any synthetics or pills besides a percocet here and there when I first discovered opiates (and that was probably 18 months ago). I never had any opiate connections so thats why I ended up going with kratom followed by poppies.

From what some of the "experts" on here have said, there isn't really very much morphine in commerically grown poppies because they are not collected at the peak time when morphine content is highest. Instead, they are harvested when the poppies are starting to (or already are) dead. The morphine content starts to drop off after a certain point so even before the plants are dead the morphine content is dropping. Factor in the length of time before we see the product and you can see that there may not have been much morphine to start with, and surely a lot of it has degraded before we saw the product.

Still, a lot of people report poppies being able to hold them over with larger tolerances (and some say they can get high too). I don't discredit this on either side, I only know that the poppies get me high and thats all I worry about.

I can tell you that I have been making tea for at least a year and 5 medium poppies would barely be enough to keep me from being sick. Given your tolerance, I would think you would require way more than that so either your pods are quite good or you are barely mantaining yourself. I'm honestly surprised that you can much relief at all from pods if you have been using heroin and been on methadone for years. Poppies could never do for anyone what heroin could do, that I know for sure.
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Ok good, so my friend can most likely consider his source to be decent since his tolerance is probably above average. He did go 2 weeks without methadone when he was trying to cold turkey from it (maybe this lowered tolerance a bit), He then decided to goto pods for awhile to get the methadone out of his system since it is just such a drawn out process (talking months here). The other option would have been going back to H since oxy/roxi/suboxone is just too expensive. It's ironic how the illegal stuff is so cheap compared to suboxone and pharmies now that the docs are getting hassled more and more.

My friend has found a new way to ingest the pods that works much better for him now and he can use less for some reason. He does the ice-o-lation and evaporating method to get a putty/powder/tar which is smokable but still too dirty for it to be worth while (big waste due to plant matter still around, maybe a finer filter and wax would do the trick).

With just 3 or 4 pods he says he can get about a heaping table spoon or so of this tar and then just adds it to a quarter cup of grapefruit juice and for some reason it is much stronger then the tea from the same type/amount of pods and it causes more itching and euphoria, he actually felt some what buzzed from his usual pod amount, though it they could of just been extra special ones. I bet if someone had a large tolerance and wanted to get off, they could ingest 20+ pods without much bad taste or anything by swallowing balls of the stuff, in gel caps even if they wanted.

I have no clue why it makes it stronger, you would think that just drinking the liquid would give more goodies then doing a extraction and losing some in the process. This is also without any additional chemical treatment or ph adjusting so it's a mystery.

-Dead-N
 
Larson0 said:
not true. many people on this forum and myself included have used the same dose for quite some time to get high.

i get high every day and have been for 8-9 months (holy shit its been that long?) and i've always used around a half cup of grounds each time. i had a few weeks where i was using more trying to get really high but that was it. generally a half cup is what im always using and i get high each time. every other painkiller i've had to up the dose in a couple days, but with poppies it really doesn't seem to go up fast at all.

then again im sure people know their limits and keep upping the dose trying to get even more fucked. i've pretty much gotten wasted off a half cup for months though every night. i should note that i have taken a few week long breaks, or at least gone till i was done physical withdrawal and started back up again. probably done that 3-5 times in the 8 months.
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I'm saying in extreme cases like when you are chasing the very limits of what you can handle, then tolerance could build quickly.

I know that, generally speaking, tolerance to pods doesn't increase nearly as quickly as most pharms. I would tend to think that the reason for this is because the pods last so long, like 24 hours compared to 2 - 8 hours, depending on what opioid we are comparing it to. There is less compulsive dosing with pods to stay high IMO.

Like I said, I have been using for a year now and though I raised my dosage a little bit from where I started at, I have been leveled out at 10 large pods for quite some time.
 
^I agree and I think that to some extent, people who choose pods and other long-lasting opiates are looking for something different than people who choose heroin, dilaudid, etc... especially when they insufflate or inject.

The pods do lend themselves to less compulsive dosing and so I think the ability for users to maintain more stable dosages is not due to the drug itself as much as do to the user choosing that drug. People who want that intense rush and powerful high are going to choose shorter acting drugs so they can achieve that more frequently and subsequently their tolerance will build rapidly. People who want a longer lasting, less intense sensation will be drawn to pods and similar-acting drugs.

I think there are definitely constants among all people who use opiates/opioids regularly but there are going to be certain differences between those who choose to eat/drink pods versus people who are railing oxy or shooting heroin throughout the day.
 
2nd brew of poopy seed tea

I made my first brew and had to use paper towels as a filter.

wit that said, all the mush left over was pressed into the towels

I put the towels in a glass with water hoping to get seperation. after ding this over and over i now have almost as much water as i started with (4 cups for 2 people)

Any way to get less water or am i stuck pounding all the water?
 
I was just thinking, what about evaporating some of the water? using slow heat or just leaving it out?
 
Anyone have info as to the tea:crushed grounds ratio? I read a BL's thread about eating 6 pods with a tolerance of 12 pods for tea and he was apparently quite sick.

Thanks
 
^There are far too many variables to be able to answer this question with any accuracy. It depends on how efficiently you make the tea, how well you grind the pods, what you put it in, etc. etc.

I spent a lot of time trying to find the most efficient way to make the tea and I find that when I just toss ground pods in a liquid, its about 33% stronger than the tea I would make.... eating/drinking 3 ground pods = tea from 4 pods.

You can use this as a VERY rough estimate but I've seen many people claim that eating the ground pods was much stronger for them... it could be poorly made tea, placebo effect, etc.

Just always start low, test the waters and work your way up.
 
Thanks

Seeing as that one BLer nearly OD'd using half (6 vs 12) in crushed pods, that 1.333 multiplier is certainly off in some cases. But like you said -- and I completely understand -- there are way too many variables. I was just putting it out there in case anyone had some useful input.
 
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