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The Heroin thread.

hyroller said:
In my experiences, heroin produces no buzz whatsoever. All it ever did was make me feel a) nauseous, b) zonked & c) apathetic. Personally apathy bothers me, so it was never going to be a match made in heaven.

Tried it 3 times in total to make sure my analysis was an informed one... I think it suits people who like to trail off into their own, private oblivion, rather than those who enjoy social interaction on some scale. I can see why you'd want the pain relief aspect, but the rest? just makes you feel seedy.
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Generally this is true for a lot of people. However for myself, heroin actually makes me more social. And on a number of occasions I have been out to clubs and danced the night away on the stuff ("wow dude, what pills are you on?" "Nothing you're likely to come across pal...").

I think people to often try to stereotype the types of people who use this drug, when it is not possible. Some people just want to get high and nod away in their own private world (which is nice sometimes). While others use it and find themselves with more confidence and a highly elevated mood. The name Heroin actually derives from early test subjects saying they felt 'heroic' while on it.
 
Anybody with real pain will love H.

Imagine, all your pain, stress, hurt, fear.... just disappear!

On the social note, when you have been living with pain for many years, the relief that is brought on by H is like ecstasy.

The need to re dose and find that pain free life is now suddenly achievable. How terrible is it to tell someone they can live pain free then take it away?

Addiction is far more than drugs, it is neural networks developed over your entire life telling you that what you are doing is good for you. H, and all opiate painkillers are a blessing from the gods. We must treat them with respect.

I have no problem with people using opiates, just as long as they know the consequences.
 
Heroin is the best pain killer ever.
It is non toxic and used in doses used for pain killing, most old time nurses and doctors would agree that is far superior to morphine, codeine, tramal and dihydromorphinone

Stuff from the streets, can't say IVing that is better than putting anything else in your veins from a dodgey crackhead
 
nabollocks said:
Anybody with real pain will love H.

Imagine, all your pain, stress, hurt, fear.... just disappear!
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Thats exactly what i thought the first time i did it. I scored with some people that i met at the station coming back from clubbing while fukd on K and whatever else the night before and when they realised my fuckedness they ended up telling me they were going to score H. Later that week i ended up scoring with them, and went back to their place. Being my first time on it i liked it and thought it was a nice feeling, but as nothing was going wrong in my world at the time, and then looking at their situation of no cash flow and addicted to it on a daily basis. I realised how it could be so addictive to them. It answered all their problems for that time while they were high. After that night i thought it was good fun and a nice warm feeling but the more the pain the more H could bring to you.

I have been suffering back pains for a while now and have been using codeine/ oxy's / quite often to combat it. By doing these more often i came to appreciate the opiate high alot more, which made me appreciate H alot more the future times that i did it so i built a different perspective on it, it can bring different things to different people. But the reason H does have such a bad wrap in the publics eye is most likely due to what you said. Those who have worked themselves into a bad situation now find that their only escape.
 
leftwing said:
of course there's such thing as a functional dependent user and a recreational user.

if you've read the many stories all over here about recovering addicts, they say they're in it for a life long battle. that demon is always in the back of their/your head.

the fact that you've been dependent for so many years and got clean and used again certainly is a relapse. what the fuck else would you call it? just an oopsie daisy? theres no difference if you used it once or continued using it for weeks, you reused, you relapsed. all you have to do is accept it and move on. it's part or recovery.

im not preaching no 12step bullshit, though there are some principles in there which i think are and can be used by people and are certainly applied by them. it's a day to day battle. it doesnt matter whether it's a heroin addiction or a meth addiction.



i'll believe that when i see some statistics.



but for so many it is true that it is an every day battle. try reading The Dark Side Heroin Mega thread
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no need to get shirty Mr. moderater who is supposed to provide an example to other bluelighters on how to play nice.. ;)

in my rant i didn't really make it clear that abstinence is a valid choice, indeed the best choice for some. however i was simply trying to point out that abstinence only can also be very damaging to the fragile self-belief of those trying to stop using, and that one can successfully use only occasionally without it being a battle, or a big deal, or the centre of their lives.

the many stories you read and hear about are from those for whom it is a struggle. there are many many more stories out there that aren't told, which means no one hears about them, simply because there are some (many?) people who are lucky enough for it not to be a struggle for them, and are able to stop without telling bluelight, the media and the world all about it. bluelight is fantastic for providing support to those who seek it out because they need it, but they do not make up the sum total of all users. indeed, it's not even a representative sample of users because, as i said before, those who don't need help don't come here looking for it!

the term 'relapse' has inherent negative connotations, implying that if one switches from dependent use to abstinence to functional or occasional use (rather than having an oopsie daisy as you put it, its a transition from one form of use to another), they have failed and will automatically be a dependent/heavy user again. i merely wanted to point out the use of the word in this particular case wasn't entirely fitting as it seems MrIris has his life together and has not slid back down the slippery slope. reuse and relapse aren't quite interchangeable, and there is a very big difference between using again once and starting to use again every day.

recovery, like abstinence doesn't have to be the main goal, which is what i was trying to point out.

you wont find any statistics about the large majority of people who use drugs with no problems, as they are an invisible population.. how do you statistically prove someone is using drugs "successfully"? - they dont present for treatment, pharmacotherapies, NA, rehab etc etc etc. there are no census surveys that ask the entire population "do you use drugs without experiencing negative side effects?". and even if there was, people have been proven to lie about things like their drug use as it is so stigmatised and they dont want to take the risk of being found out.

i haven't read the many stories i'm afraid, i don't normally have time to trawl through bluelight (obviously i am posting now after a momentary 'relapse' in judgement due to the demon drugs i took last night) but i see them and hear about them everyday as i work in a needle exchange (and yes, i do use heroin & meth & others, functionally!). So while I don't have ABS stats on the number of functional drug users out there, I see with my own eyes the ratio of people I come into contact with who absolutely don't have a problem, a battle or a struggle. And I see the ratio of people for whom it is destroying their lives. Its about 90:10.

I do apologise if i touched nerve, but on a personal level i get so sick of people just assuming that because i use, i must have a problem that i must valiantly fight off. For every person who espouses their difficulties in fighting the raging battle within them, there is another (or several others) for whom using heroin and/or meth is a small, inconsequential part of life.
 
Yeah - 'course it will have varying effects. I do know of long-term users who report to get 'high' off it, and more power to them really.

I stress a lot, not on the grand anxiety-like scale but about most things - and the fact that I wasn't inclined to worry about getting up off my arse actually made me worry more. lol.

A friend of mine ended up deferring to the methadone program after a short-term h habit that she pursued effectively for relief from chronic back pain... and has no intentions of stopping it because nothing else gives her that level of reprieve.
 
cobaltdemon said:
For every person who espouses their difficulties in fighting the raging battle within them, there is another (or several others) for whom using heroin and/or meth is a small, inconsequential part of life.
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... until these people get stressed out due to family/work/etc issues or some major event in their life. Where sweet heroin will fill that void and potentially cause problems down the track? :)

I'd say for every three people that say drugs (or in regards to this thread: heroin) are an inconsequential part of their life, two of those people will have some kind of event in their life that will cause them to gain a problem with their drug of choice. I just made up that statistic, but it seems to be a trend in this thread.

I don't mean to be pessimistic. And even though it's just my opinion, I believe it to be pretty spot on. It may not happen in five years, or ten, or even twenty! But I can guarantee at some point in their life, these people who see hard drug use as 'inconsequential' are going to develop a problem, albeit it be for only a few months, or years.
 
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