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Common names for research chemicals

C'mon guys--stop giving this shit "street names." Because before you know it, Johhny Government will schedule all of it and we peasants won't be able to conduct our "legitimate research" with it... ;)
 
Actually I agree with all you guys who are against the slang names, so I've removed them. Thats not the reason I started this thread anyway. What I really wanted was a list of the proper type names that people call the 4-subs (see my now-edited first post) and if the others had similar 'proper' names, especially the 5-subs

I hope that makes sense... it would seem that the 5-subs don't have names like the 4-subs do, only slang names...

And Solipsys, I suppose you're right, we don't need names for the 2c's as they are fairly easy as it is, but I'd still like to know if there are any of the more sciency sounding names for the 5-subs... but it looks like there isnt...
 
Bufotenin is 5-HO-DMT

Melatonin isn't an RC, but 5-MeO-N-acetyltryptamine

Sumatriptan is 5-methylaminosulfonyl-DMT
Amongst others easily found on wiki
 
4-AcO-DET - Ethacetin
4-AcO-MET - Metacetin
4-AcO-DiPT - Ipracetin
4-AcO-MiPT - Mipracetin
5-HO-DMT - Bufotenin
4-PO-NMT - Baeocystin

AFAIK, there is no naming convention similar to the 4-HO and 4-AcO tryptamines for 5-MeO tryptamines. I guess you could call 5-MeO-DMT O-Methyl-Bufotenin, but that's about it. Similarily, 5-MeO-AMT is called a,O-DMS (alpha,O-dimethylserotonin), though these names don't contribute much in terms of easier referring in spoken language.
 
This is just like all the mdma+x= (insert word here)flip threads we have had lately. There is no need to simplify from the more common names (4-hydroxy-n,n-dimethyltryptamine; 2,5 dimethoxy-4-bromophenethylamine; etc) to make relatively unknown substances sound less intimidsating for those who have no knowledge of them to begin with. Recipe for disaster...
 
I agree with all this. We really shouldn't "tag" these chemicals with specific name for street use. These chemicals will never get to as main stream as say, MDMA or LSD, these started out as "research chemicals" though weren't called that at the time.. It's almost a lost cause, if you don't know what we're talking about, then I'm sorry but you can't play with us.
 
Firstly, slang terms are ridiculous and likely to cause things to be misrepresented, unintentionally or otherwise. The only "slang" I use are the 4-subs that have already been mentioned here and in TiHKAL, so i suppose they're not really all that "slang". If you really think your friends could benefit from any of these chems you should lend them a copy of one or both of the P/TiHKAL's. Whether they end up deciding to take anything or not, its still a good read.

And now for a semantic rant... How is a 2c-x any more strange than the acronyms LSD & MDMA? Those are both pretty super-clinical sounding, especially with the long names. The only difference is familiarity. And now just for fun, here's some silly shit you can refer to the 2c's as if you're just dead-set on making things more confusing.

*note, these terms are valid In this thread only. If you use them elsewhere you will likely be shunned, laughed at, or otherwise ridiculed in front of persons whose opinions you value.

2c-i = DMIPEA = IDMPEA ~ dimpy? or ocean water, or iodo-dmpea
2c-e = DMEPEA = EDMPEA ~ dem-p? or ethyl-dmpea
2c-d = DMMPEA = MDMPEA ~ mm..dp or methyl-dmpea
2c-c = DMCPEA = CDMPEA ~ run dmc's p or pool water, or chloro-dmpea
2c-b = DMBPEA = BDMPEA ~ dave matthew's urine, or bondage & masochism-pea, or bromo-dmpea

If anything, i hope this ridiculous post has shed light on the fact that the 2c nominals are by far the simplest of all possible options. At any rate, I hope it did not inspire anyone to dose with 2c-b at a Dave Matthews concert.... Given Shulgin's rants about taxonomy throught both PiHKAL and TiHKAL I'm sure he put quite a bit of thought into the 2c-x system, so lets not complicate things.

EDIT: If i missed any other funny anagrams/onomatopoeias feel free to add them
 
If you can't identify a visual image of a molecule based on its IUPAC, you probably shouldn't ingest a research chemical. Hell you don't even have to be able to draw it, just pick out which molecule is the named one out of a multiple choice list of 2d molecule sketches. In order for the end user to be able to grasp the chemical structure and make accurate comparisons to other molecules like serotonin or dopamine, they have to have all the information necessary provided in the name of the compound. Otherwise there is room for error. Even "DMT" could mean N,N-dimethyltryptamine or alpha,N-dimethyltryptamine.
 
Coolio said:
If you can't identify a visual image of a molecule based on its IUPAC, you probably shouldn't ingest a research chemical...
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now thats a little harsh. I cant identify a molecule by its image but have been eating RC's for 6 years now (my first experience with 5 meo dmt being closer to 8 years ago) and never mixed any up or had any problems.

Now i can see why you all want only people with knowledge of these drugs to ingest them but im failing to see how knowledge=chemistry knowledge.

IMO anyone who is interested enough in these drugs to do some research and figure out how to aqcuire them should be able to trip on them.
In fact i think knowing information like dosage, effects and duration is more important to people experimenting with these drugs then knowing how to draw the molecule out.
 
Wow some of you psych users are really fucking elitist. Nobody is suggesting slang names for purposes of street dealing or encouraging people to use them, it just gets confusing having a spoken (not typed) conversation comparing 2 or more of these chems which have similar name.

Get off your high horses and understand that not every intelligent drug user only talks about these things over typed text. A naming convention for the 5-subs would be nice but since there apparently isn't one then I'll just deal with it, no need to bash my reasons for starting the thread or poeple that use Rc's without having read every single document available on them.

This is a forum, by definition it is for talking about things and sharing ideas, and thats all I'm trying to do.
 
instink, why don't you try e-mailing Alexander Shulgin and see what he thinks?
 
instink said:
it just gets confusing having a spoken (not typed) conversation comparing 2 or more of these chems which have similar name.
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With most people who don't spend hours obsessing about them online... Yup. :)

Some people just aren't into academic researching and they have a hard time with recalling these acronyms, what the specific effects of that acronym are in conversation and get put off by the clinical feel of it all. Doesn't mean that if measured doses are given to them that it's unsafe for them to consume them.

I highly doubt your average hippy in the 60s knew that LSD agonised the 5-HT2a receptor or the chemical name that LSD stood for. They were able to use LSD just fine and in conversation it was called "acid". :)

EDIT: I agree that most people shouldn't be given quantities of unmeasured powder. Acid was given is "safe" measured doses and life was grand. (I know all acid doses are physically safe but psychologically for the unprepared is another story)

I will agree that I don't want to see these things get slang names and all of a sudden get popular and thus undoubtedly scheduled. :( It would just be nice to have easier names when talking about them with friends.
 
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I think it's probably better for people who want to experiment with 2C-X's, DO-X's and the assorted tryptamines learn their basic IUPAC nomenclature. It's not that hard nor is it coming from an elitist platform. It's probably just a good idea, is all--because mixing up 2C-I with DOI has happened and was rather unpleasant according to the report on Erowid... :)
 
almost anyone you talk to down here in the south will tell you 2ci are halos, although i agree about not makin some stupid slang terms for these awesome chems, but just sayin lets play halo is alot less conspicuous especially over the phone
 
Delsyd said:
now thats a little harsh. I cant identify a molecule by its image but have been eating RC's for 6 years now (my first experience with 5 meo dmt being closer to 8 years ago) and never mixed any up or had any problems.

Now i can see why you all want only people with knowledge of these drugs to ingest them but im failing to see how knowledge=chemistry knowledge.

IMO anyone who is interested enough in these drugs to do some research and figure out how to aqcuire them should be able to trip on them.
In fact i think knowing information like dosage, effects and duration is more important to people experimenting with these drugs then knowing how to draw the molecule out.
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I bet you could easily identify 2c-x's based on their 2d images, whether you know it or not. Same with 4 & 5 sub trypts. After you have looked at a phenethylamine and/or tryptamine molecule, differentiating between different molecules is very easy.

I haven't taken a chemistry class since AP Chem in high school in 1999, but I can easily identify all the 2c-x's, 2c-t-x's, 4 & 5 sub trypts, and DOx's. If you just read the wikipedia entries on theses substances the system by which they are "short-named" is a very simple pattern. If you're familiar with PiHKAL or TiHKAL this nomenclature is explained extensively. Even if you're just reading the online version @ erowid about whatever you're taking and similar substances the knowledge just kind of happens. This is what I think people are saying here: If you haven't read enough about these chems to absorb this info, it probably isn't wise to take them. We're just trying to avoid the "what can i take that will make me trip" people getting into these, hurting themselves, and causing these novel compounds to be subject to federal scheduling.

All this being said, if you haven't read at the very least the PiHKAL/TiHKAL entries on these chems, you shouldn't take them. They don't all have the forgiving dose/response curve that LSD and MDMA do. Also, I think the "acid populism" movement that most of the 60's figures eventually subscribed to hurt the movement quite a bit. It really just takes minimal research to learn the basics about these chemicals.

instink said:
Wow some of you psych users are really fucking elitist. Nobody is suggesting slang names for purposes of street dealing or encouraging people to use them, it just gets confusing having a spoken (not typed) conversation comparing 2 or more of these chems which have similar name.

Get off your high horses and understand that not every intelligent drug user only talks about these things over typed text. A naming convention for the 5-subs would be nice but since there apparently isn't one then I'll just deal with it, no need to bash my reasons for starting the thread or poeple that use Rc's without having read every single document available on them.

This is a forum, by definition it is for talking about things and sharing ideas, and thats all I'm trying to do.
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They have similar names because they're similar chemicals. The 2c-x, 4(or5) xx xxT are the short names, why different names are needed is just beyond me. Plus, if you look at the history of psychedelics & drug scheduling, non-chemical names are universally bad for the movement. LSD was legal, hippies called it acid and gave it to everyone and some, it became illegal. MDMA was used for psychotherapy completely legally until Dallas nightclub owners started selling it behind the bar marketed as "ecstasy." 2c-b & 2c-t-7 are the only DMPEAs to be specifically scheduled, and they're known as nexus/venus and blue mystic, respectively.

Making things seem more palatable to people whom are not very familiar with them is very dangerous and counter-productive.

highandrolling said:
almost anyone you talk to down here in the south will tell you 2ci are halos, although i agree about not makin some stupid slang terms for these awesome chems, but just sayin lets play halo is alot less conspicuous especially over the phone
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Obviously people in the know will refer to these chems with a euphemism when they're in a situation that may be monitored. But what small groups of people call a chem exclusively in their own "research group" is vastly different from widespread slang. The former is done to avoid persecution, the latter for marketing. Marketing=bad
 
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