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sativa = panic attack. I do not believe marijuana can restrict airway since its proven to do the opposite.
 
Okay, Im glad I found this thread. I will share with you my story.
I was smoking cigs and weed for about 10 years. half a pack of cigs at most a day and lets say 3-5 joints per week. Never had a panic attack or anything like that before. About 14 months ago, I took a month break from weed cuz I got into a fight with my dealer so I didnt have a link anymore. I replaced the weed with booze. I went on a alcohol binge for about 3-4 weeks. Then I stopped drinking after I was able to link some pot again. I rolled up a joint of this super high grade highly crystallized stuff and took about 3 hits. About 2 mins after the hit I felt my heart pound / palpitate. That lasted for about a min or two, then it went away. Right when it went away, thats when all hell broke loose.

As soon as it went away, I was left gasping for air. It felt like a lung collapsed or something. The only way I can describe it is like I felt and sounded like Myles Dyson from terminator 2 just before he detonated the bombs. I was gasping for air just like him and was freaking out. First thought that went through my mind was that the weed was laced. I fought it off for as long as I could. After about 2 hours I think, I could take it no more and I , for the first time ever, called 911. I specifically told the 911 operator to not send the fire or police, to just send the ambulance. So who shows up at my door first? the fire truck, then followed by police. They kept asking me what happened, what happened. I kept stalling and just kept saying that my chest hurt. I didnt want to mention anything about the weed cuz I was afraid they would raid my room and find the pot and then I would get charged and shit. So when the ambulance came i quickly went into the back of it. the firetruck left but the cops stayed. So the ambulance guys kept asking me what happened, I told them I was working out real hard and then my heart raced and i was left gasping for air. They asked me if I was on steroids. I said no. They asked me if I was on drugs. I said no. They said its ok and that I dont have to hide anything from them. I still didnt tell them. After being with them for about 20 mins or so,. i was decent enough to go back in my house. They tried to convince me to go to the ER to get checked out and I refused cuz again i was scared this would all come back to me. So I went in my house and I was still having breathing problems and that lasted about 8 hours until I finally went to bed. I woke up in the morning and I was fine.

So, I chalked the incident up to either laced weed or smoking the pot right after a intense work out. The next day I called the guy I got the pot from and asked him what was in it and told him my experience. He told me there was nothing wrong with it, that it was fine. I believed him and thought it was simply a reaction from smoking it right after working out. Too much for my system to handle. I didnt smoke any pot for about a week or two. Then I smoked it again, this time just 2 tokes of the same weed. and what do u know? same thing happened. Only this time it was MUCH worse and it lasted a whole fucking 24 hours. I fought it for so long. I went to the docs office and doc made me do a chest xray and told me that it sounds like a panic attack. I told the doc the weed might be laced and that I have it still and that maybe she can look at it or send it for analysis. She told me to just throw it away. I didnt do that, I kept it. So after this 2nd incident. I officially, after 10 years of use, quit pot. Didnt even get to enjoy or remember my last session. How lame.

So then,,. about 2-3 weeks after that I got a large coffee and loaded it with sugar. i drank about 3/4 of it and then bam same shit happened! this time i had enough and rushed myself to ER and they told me I have a panic or anxiety disorder and asked me to stay in the hospital for observations , i was freaked out so I said yes and thats when they started loading me up with benzos and tranqs but thats another story.

Anyways,. my question and concern is... what the hell happened with this weed?
I still dont know if that shit was laced or what. An anxiety or panic attack isnt suppose to last a fucking day. its suppose to last typically 10 mins and then it passes. sometimes residual affects can last an hour or two , but what I went through lasted much much longer (a whole day!)

Too often, I believe that the pot was laced with some kind of pesticide or poison or something! Im still not right to this day. I think whatever it was,. the damage has been done. My nose is 24/7 congested with clear mucus, sticky like glue! never seen anything like that b4. I have chest pains and tightness and palpitations all the time. Ive gone through so many tests, xrays , everything comes back fine. I dont know what to do. When I try to tell a doc about this and how the weed may have been toxic and i was poisoned they think im crazy and ask me to talk to a psych because according to them "nobody would do that , nobody would try to hurt someone like that" bullshit.

if anyone can relate to my story please let me know.
My next step is to get a bronchoscopy and sinus scope done to see if there is any damage done and also to get a sample of this mucous and to evaluate it. Perhaps the weed created fungus in me? i dont know. All I know is, I havent been right since that fateful day and I am not "thinking" myself into any kind of state of anxiety or panic at all, I have no fears , phobias or anything else.

thanks for taking the time to read my story.

OMG. It sounds like you and me have lead parallel lives. My story...After 11 years of daily smoking, i stopped for 6 months and just drank. Restarted and started having these breathing problems which seemed to get worse everytime i toked. Last straw was 2 months later at 1989 rolling stones concert. i could not breath. i almost went to the ambulance parked outside the concert but stuck it out for the remainder of the night. didn't enjoy the concert and never smoked again. that was 20 years ago!
Well, my problems didn't stop. For the next year i continually had asthma attacks. i couldn't even walk more that 100 feet. i went for every pulmonary test imaginable and they found everything normal. after a year, it went away and i have been normal since.
I am seriously thinking about trying weed again. i felt like i've missed a good friend for 20 years.
THANK YOU for posting this. all this time, my friends thought it was all in my head. please keep me posted.
 
WoW. Thank you for your replies. I apologize to the Original poster, I kinda hijacked his thread. My bad, I shouldve started my own.

FrostyMcfailure: you are totally right, sativa is very stimulating and does = panic attacks. The weed that I smoked that caused the "panic attack" was DEF high grade sativa.

Christopher Biggins: You know , I have a ton of allergies since I was a kid, most to pollen , weeds, hay fever , dust, pollen etc.. but I smoked weed for 10 years and never had a problem with it so I dont know.. but allergy attack def crossed my mind. When I brought that up with a doc, they told me that it wasnt an allergy attack because if it was I would have gotten Hives, itchy throat, etc.. and I did not, so I guess it wasnt an allergy attack? It was either a reaction to a chemical or pesticide in the weed, or there was something in it that was toxic. Or because I smoked it 2 mins after I had an intense weightlifting workout without letting my body, heart and breathing return to normal. The reaction happened because of one of those things OR because of..... (read Floters reply)

Floaters: Floaters Ive given a lot of thought about what happened , why it happened, the events leading up to the reaction and have come up with different theories. I explained a few theories just above to Christopher Biggins and now I will explain the final theory which I think you probably have already thought of as well. I think that by our long term smoking and then stopping our bodies started to detox from the THC and chems. And while it was doing that we started throwing alcohol into the mix which raised our stress hormones and stuff. So after the time away from weed, our bodies kinda returned to a level of homeostasis and then what did we do? we re-introduced the stuff and our bodies kinda got pissed off/confused and reacted in that way. Its either that OR the stress hormones that were secreted into our bloodstream by the alcohol did not get along with the weed at all and we had such a terrible experience. Both alcohol and marijuana create panic attacks and panic/anxiety disorders. Im not saying what we had was a true panic or anxiety attack as im sure our minds are clear and we have no serious fears or phobias, all we wanted to do was have fun and enjoy the high. Ive tried telling psychs and docs this too but they dont understand and try to tell me that people who habitually smoke weed and do drugs and booze are just self medicating themselves from their anxiety and/or depression problems. Yes there are people who do this but then there are people who do it just for the fun of the high on a fri/sat night at a club or concert or chilling with homies etc... and I think thats the category that we fall into.
Ive also had a pulmonary test and it came back normal. I havent tried an asthma puffer, but thats sumthing else thats crossed my mind. that It may have been an asthma attack. Did you try an asthma puffer and did it work? I miss smoking too but to be honest, I am not going to take the risk again of having that day long gasping for air marathon. Its just not worth it. Its so hard and frustrating when people tell you its in your head or its just anxiety or whatever,... especially when its your family. They just dont get it and wont until they go through it themselves. I dont know if its wise to smoke again man,. It might turn into a disaster. But if you do decide to re-toke, make sure its indica and make sure you take 2-3 tokes to test it out. Take a few tokes and wait 10-15 mins and see how you react, if you are fine then go for more. OR just dont even smoke at all,. your older now, not to be rude , but with age you get more frail and sensitive (thats why most pot smokers are under 25) its a youth thing IMO. Let me know if you used an asthma puffer and if it worked for you. Good luck and I hope you dont get a reaction like you did 20 years ago.



To add with my own story, 14 months later, being clean from pot, cigs, booze and even caffeine and now off of a year addiction to benzos, my lungs and sinuses feel like they have been covered in a thin layer of crazy glue. I dont know if that pot was dipped in glue and I smoked the glue fumes or what but if that was the case I would not be surprised. I dont know what to do to get rid of this feeling. Im considering going in for a sinus scope and a bronchoscopy but its next to impossible convincing a doc to let me get one, especially when my chest xrays come back normal. I just wish they felt what it felt like when I breathe with my lungs and stuff so that they would understand how It is to live and breathe with the lungs that I have each and every day.

thanks for the replies fellas.
 
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I've had that happen to me many times. I've smoke pot every single day for 16 years (up until 4 years ago) I've definitely had major panic attacks while smoking krypie, kind bud...whatever they call it these days. Although, I suffer from GAD (which is an anxiety disorder).

Just like someone else said, no one has ever died from smoking pot. If you keep that in your head while smoking, you should be fine. However, since I have a panic disorder, sometimes that didn't even help.

Panic attacks are tricky. Even if you know you're having one, sometimes it's still hard to break out of it. Needless to say, it sucks horse nuts!
 
WoW. Thank you for your replies. I apologize to the Original poster, I kinda hijacked his thread. My bad, I shouldve started my own.

FrostyMcfailure: you are totally right, sativa is very stimulating and does = panic attacks. The weed that I smoked that caused the "panic attack" was DEF high grade sativa.

Christopher Biggins: You know , I have a ton of allergies since I was a kid, most to pollen , weeds, hay fever , dust, pollen etc.. but I smoked weed for 10 years and never had a problem with it so I dont know.. but allergy attack def crossed my mind. When I brought that up with a doc, they told me that it wasnt an allergy attack because if it was I would have gotten Hives, itchy throat, etc.. and I did not, so I guess it wasnt an allergy attack? It was either a reaction to a chemical or pesticide in the weed, or there was something in it that was toxic. Or because I smoked it 2 mins after I had an intense weightlifting workout without letting my body, heart and breathing return to normal. The reaction happened because of one of those things OR because of..... (read Floters reply)

Floaters: Floaters Ive given a lot of thought about what happened , why it happened, the events leading up to the reaction and have come up with different theories. I explained a few theories just above to Christopher Biggins and now I will explain the final theory which I think you probably have already thought of as well. I think that by our long term smoking and then stopping our bodies started to detox from the THC and chems. And while it was doing that we started throwing alcohol into the mix which raised our stress hormones and stuff. So after the time away from weed, our bodies kinda returned to a level of homeostasis and then what did we do? we re-introduced the stuff and our bodies kinda got pissed off/confused and reacted in that way. Its either that OR the stress hormones that were secreted into our bloodstream by the alcohol did not get along with the weed at all and we had such a terrible experience. Both alcohol and marijuana create panic attacks and panic/anxiety disorders. Im not saying what we had was a true panic or anxiety attack as im sure our minds are clear and we have no serious fears or phobias, all we wanted to do was have fun and enjoy the high. Ive tried telling psychs and docs this too but they dont understand and try to tell me that people who habitually smoke weed and do drugs and booze are just self medicating themselves from their anxiety and/or depression problems. Yes there are people who do this but then there are people who do it just for the fun of the high on a fri/sat night at a club or concert or chilling with homies etc... and I think thats the category that we fall into.
Ive also had a pulmonary test and it came back normal. I havent tried an asthma puffer, but thats sumthing else thats crossed my mind. that It may have been an asthma attack. Did you try an asthma puffer and did it work? I miss smoking too but to be honest, I am not going to take the risk again of having that day long gasping for air marathon. Its just not worth it. Its so hard and frustrating when people tell you its in your head or its just anxiety or whatever,... especially when its your family. They just dont get it and wont until they go through it themselves. I dont know if its wise to smoke again man,. It might turn into a disaster. But if you do decide to re-toke, make sure its indica and make sure you take 2-3 tokes to test it out. Take a few tokes and wait 10-15 mins and see how you react, if you are fine then go for more. OR just dont even smoke at all,. your older now, not to be rude , but with age you get more frail and sensitive (thats why most pot smokers are under 25) its a youth thing IMO. Let me know if you used an asthma puffer and if it worked for you. Good luck and I hope you dont get a reaction like you did 20 years ago.



To add with my own story, 14 months later, being clean from pot, cigs, booze and even caffeine and now off of a year addiction to benzos, my lungs and sinuses feel like they have been covered in a thin layer of crazy glue. I dont know if that pot was dipped in glue and I smoked the glue fumes or what but if that was the case I would not be surprised. I dont know what to do to get rid of this feeling. Im considering going in for a sinus scope and a bronchoscopy but its next to impossible convincing a doc to let me get one, especially when my chest xrays come back normal. I just wish they felt what it felt like when I breathe with my lungs and stuff so that they would understand how It is to live and breathe with the lungs that I have each and every day.

thanks for the replies fellas.

I believe it was fate that i met you on this forum. i'll try to respond to your questions/comments in order

I too suffered with allergies my entire life and during the testing phase, i went to an allergist who did skin patch testing and found i was allergic to everything including weed (yes, i brought a small bud with me for the test, the dr was cool about it.)

I also thought there might have been something bad in the weed i smoked but during the 2 months i had returned to smoking, i had split a quarter pound with a buddy who had no problems and i even gave him the rest of my stash when i quit.

I never considered your two theories. They make total sense! I was going to use a vaporizer but if your correct, that is not going to help. You just saved me lots of money in a vaporizer.

Yes, I carried an inhaler around for a year. Didn't do shit. The dr said no kidding, you don't have ashtma.

You definitely have me thinking about the age thing. You're right, I am 50 and did not consider that my "frailty" could make things worse. I guess after being problem free for 19 years, i forgot the nightmare i went thru, but you brought that memory right back to me. If i try it again, i will send you an e-mail and let you know how it goes.

CONGRATS on your sobriety. i have been using oxy for 4 years and occasionally quit to keep my tolerance low and the w/d's are a bitch. i've heard tha the w/d's from benzos are even worse. i cannot even imagine that.

A final piece of advise, forget about the scope. It took me a year to recover and it seems that it might take you even longer. Only time is going to heal you my friend. I really believe that you and me suffered the same phenomenon. There are just too many similarities.

Good luck and keep me posted.
 
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Yes, I first ate a big sub before the stones concert and did not toke until after I ate.
 
Yes, I first ate a big sub before the stones concert and did not toke until after I ate.

perhaps it was the food, cause last night had tons of chips and lemon chicken.
my back was in agony. and sharp pains in my chest. found it hard to keep my breath.
 
im going to discuss a few more things that led up to the event and it kinda ties into what spaced out says about the no food in stomach and his back and chest pain and difficulty breathing.

during my 3-4 weeks binge drinking i was doing fine with all sorts of hard drinks like rum and coke, vodka and stuff until the 3rd or 4th week. I went out and bought a big bottle of banana liqueur and a 2L bottle of 7up. I remember trying a "girly" drink called banana seven or banana up or something I forgot but it was a mix of 7up and banana liqueur. The result is that it ends up tasting exactly like a banana popsicle! So i made a huge glass of it and drank it down and it was SO sweet. After a few moments of drinking it,.. I had the FIRST and WORST episode of ACID REFLUX ive ever had. I was sweating, I was red, I was having a lil difficulty breathing, chest pain with burning sensations. I thought maybe I was having a heart attack or something. It took a good hour to go away. The next day I drank the same drink again and it happened to me again. So after that bottle of banana liqueur I found pot again and stopped drinking. So,.. another theory here is that maybe the acid reflux interacted with the pot and caused that episode?

Floaters, did you ever have acid reflux , esp. during the week or two or even the day of the concert before you smoked? Did alcohol give you acid reflux at anytime during those 6 months?

I was also going to add, that perhaps, if you do decide to smoke again, that you SHOULD use a vaporizer as It is the purest and cleanest method to smoke. But, I still think you shouldnt smoke as the risks outweigh the reward IMO.

About the benzos. You know I had those 2 episodes from the pot which were spaced out 2 weeks between each other and then an episode from a large black coffee loaded with sugar about 3 weeks after the 2nd pot episode. Between these episodes, with the exception of insomnia, I was fine. The 3rd episode with the coffee is when I went to the ER and thats where they starting giving me benzos and stuff,. after I started taking those damn benzos and the 30 pills they gave me finished - I started having different kinds of episodes on a daily basis without having a "trigger" like smoking or coffee. I then got a dependency on the benzos because its SO hard to quit. and no one told me to not suddenly quit. I made SO many trips to ER thinking I had an anxiety disorder when it was all benzo withdrawal. It was HELL being on and getting off that damn stuff! I can go into so much detail on my benzo nightmare but it would be so long. Im now at the point where i have no idea if the list of symptoms im experiencing are a result of benzo withdrawal/side effects OR if its lingering affects from toxic pot. Im very upset, disappointed and just feel worthless. A year of my life has been taken away and when I try explaining this stuff to doctors they just DONT get it and want to push anti depressants in my face because thats their solution to everything.

Please do NOT use benzos,. if you really really have to make sure you dont use it for more than a week for it really messes up your nervous system and creates a bunch of anxiety and a super long list of withdrawal symptoms.

I wish I had answers so I could get the proper treatment and move on with my life instead of just hanging on to these theories which doctors will never listen to or understand or take seriously. Even if I were to be told "sir you have such and such disease or illness" I would be like, as silly as this sounds "oh thank goodness" because I finally can stop worrying and stressing out so much and finally have a proper diagnosis and can make sense of everything and connect everything and have peace of mind. But that doesnt look like its gonna happen for now at least, so I have no choice but to keep getting tested for all kinds of stuff. Ive had so many tests im down to the more invasive tests like scopes and stuff. I am determined to find an answer though and wont stop until I do. I will try an asthma puffer this week and I will see if it helps me.
 
oh yea I forgot to add something.

Pot, smoking, coffee and alcohol --> these things all relax the LES lower esophageal sphincter which blocks/controls the acid so that it does not go into the esophagus and up to the mouth.

Floaters im sure you are aware of acid reflux, and I totally would not be surprised if you have or still do have it. You may even be on PPI pills right now or were in the past.

Just another theory to add to the list man.

Oh yea , and that pot that gave me that episode. A "buddy" did come along and asked to buy a dime bag, so, kinda evil of me to do so, I thought it would be a great idea to test the weed out on someone other than me to see if they got the same reaction as I did, so I sold him 10$ worth and he took it. I did tell him that it was super high grade and strong so I kinda gave him a warning. The next day or two , he came back asking for more. I made the stupid decision , since I wasnt going to smoke the stuff, to "sell" him the entire bag. He told me he didnt have the money right now and would pay me back in 2-3 days and left me his ID cards for collateral.

He never came back and never paid me. This made me start to wonder if he is either A) a cheap bum who tried to rip me off and get free weed OR

B) maybe he came back to get more because he had the same reaction as me from the dime bag he got from me a few days earlier and wanted to get more to, perhaps, test it out or take a look at it or something? I dont know. Perhaps thats why he didnt want to pay me. Who would wanna pay for weed that made them feel like they were gonna die?


But then I think, if it did give him a real bad reaction, I would expect him to come to my house with a bunch of guys to kick my ass. But he didnt. What do you guys think? is it safe to say he DIDNT have a reaction like me and came back to get more because he enjoyed it??

thanks.
 
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Akuma4u - You are starting to scare me with your psychic ability. Yes i do have acid reflux and yes i have been on prescription prevacid for years! Those 6 months of abstinence involved nothing but white russians for me which gave me bad reflux but its my favorite drink. (I haven't drank in four years since i got into oxy.) You're making it all start to come together now. Perhaps now that my reflux is being managed, i might be good to smoke again. However, i still haven't made that decision yet.

I honestly think that if your "buddy" had a similar reaction, he would have at least given you shit about selling him that weed while thinking you did it on purpose. He's just a scumbag. I sold weed in 1988 when i quit for 6 months to a "buddy" and i'm still waiting to get paid. :)

It pains me to see you so stressed out because you seem like a good person. Keep me posted.
 
ah I see.

Perhaps the alcohol induced acid reflux was the reason we had the reaction from the pot. Again, we cant be certain but it looks like it makes sense. I would place this theory high up in the #1 or 2 spot.

There is something you should know about prevacid and other PPI pills.

The older we get, the less stomach acid we produce. Also, long term PPI usage actually lowers stomach acid production to the point where we become Hypochlorhydric and/or achlorhydric which means you are suffering from low or no stomach acid. Now heres the real kicker and where the confusion comes in. The symptoms for TOO much stomach acid are the exact SAME for too little or No stomach acid! So, its very hard to tell whether you are suffering from acid reflux or not and if you think you are and are really suffering from low stomach acid and take Prevacid/PPIs you simply make the problem worse as you keep making your already low acid levels lower and lower.

I dont know where you are from, but im assuming the states. There is a test called a heilderberg stomach acid test. it tells you your stomach acid levels. But I think its kinda pricey, so you might have to inquire about that. Im looking forward to getting this test done cuz I have no idea if im suffering from low or too much stomach acid and yes ive been on the prevacid and omeprazole and another PPI pill too,. i think they have left me with low stomach acid now. This problem is common with those who use PPI pills long term.

again - if u do decide to toke again, make sure u use a vaporizer and make sure you just give it a few sample puffs first to see how you react. I still dont think its a good idea to start up again but thats my opinion. Feel free to contact me anytime if you need to.
 
Thanks again. Interesting stuff. When i first started on the prevacid, i had an upper GI (actually a pleasant experience with the demerol and all). It turned out that i had a hiatal hernia which was the cause of my reflux. I have started to skip pills mainly because they are so expensive.

I'll let you know if i re-toke.
 
Happens to me all the time, but I find that after half a beer or so that feeling is long gone and Im ready to smoke again
 
if anyone can relate to my story please let me know.
My next step is to get a bronchoscopy and sinus scope done to see if there is any damage done and also to get a sample of this mucous and to evaluate it. Perhaps the weed created fungus in me? i dont know. All I know is, I havent been right since that fateful day and I am not "thinking" myself into any kind of state of anxiety or panic at all, I have no fears , phobias or anything else.

thanks for taking the time to read my story.


You could be going crazy.
 
you probably are experiencing a little airway constriction but is emphasized and exaggerated by the weed. my best method for overpowering this is to remember "no one has died from weed" and try and focus on something else
 
Yes i am also happy i found this,
I had a panic attack one time and then for a week after same thing until the thc was out of my system. But then they went away, i was fine til i smoked some morr now i have spre throat and tiny bumps in the back of my throat
 
this happens to me even on edibles. For a while beer would cure it, but fuck that. Im sick of it. Ive been a big stoner for a quite a while, put im putting those days in the past now. BTW it doesnt matter if i smoke, use a vaporizer, eat an edible, it all leads to the same place now. I only smoked highest possible grade weed as well. Do yourselves a favor and get into kratom, i dont know why i was so fixated with pot to tell you the truth, but it blinded me to the mental, if not true physical damage it was doing to me. Also it feels like my emotions are becoming for normal without it and i might *actually* be able to get a girl now, which was impossible as a stoner, even though i am handsome and charming, sounds arrogant but im not bragging, just underscoring the effects. Ive met plenty others like me to. So i cant tell anyone what to do, but as for myself im entering the next phase of my life, one without weed and it doesn't seem so bad. I have beer, cofee, kratom, kava kava, sex, tea, music, danicing, television, and no fucking panic.!
 
it sounds like a panic attack. I smoked every day for 5 years before I had any cannabis induced anxiety. Now if I smoke too much strong weed, I'll just be sitting there and suddenly gasp for air really loud. I think it happens because I get so lost in my head I forget to breathe, Or I'll be really anxious and thinking my breathing is really loud, so i'll stop breathing and all the sudden GASP for air.

The only thing that helps for me is to smoke weed by myself. I rarely suffer any anxiety when smoking alone but if I smoke heavily around people I don't know well, it's a sure fire way to feel uncomfortable. I agree with you ninja, I think I can do without weed for now. Or at least save some headies for special occasions. But man, I've missed out on tons of opportunities with girls because I was so stoned and self conscious for nearly all my teenage years. I don't want to throw away my 20's in a smokey haze too.
 
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just remember that it is, in fact, all in your head. if it wasn't, you wouldn't even be aware it was happening. i've gone through the same thing, and the key is to relax. its tricky, because pot probably used to be a good thing for that. but just find ways to calm yourself, on the inside, deep down, because it makes it 100% better
 
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