Ban considered for Spice Gold

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/07/spice-gold-herbal-high-drugs

Ban considered for Spice Gold, herbal high as strong as some skunk cannabis


The government's drug advisers are to consider next week whether to ban Spice Gold, a herbal smoking mixture that is as strong as some strains of skunk cannabis, and other "legal highs".

Spice is sold on the internet and in "head shops" as a herbal high and a nicotine-free smoke, and even advertised as an "aromatic potpourri". It comes packaged in small sealed pouches holding 3g (less than an ounce).

But the former head of the Forensic Science Service's drugs intelligence unit, Les King, yesterday told a European drugs conference in Lisbon: "Just a few months ago, it was found that a smoking mixture known as Spice was not the innocuous material it purported to be. The claimed constituents, namely various herbs, were a Trojan horse."

He said that the substance's real psychoactive constituents were synthetic additives, such as ones that mimic the effects of some of the more powerful active ingredients in cannabis.

King told the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction conference that the Spice Gold smoking mixture had been imported first from China and had been around since 2006. It mostly contained an unidentified herbal matter, sold at about £15.50 for 3g and produced a "cannabis-like" effect. There was also a more powerful type, Spice Diamond, on the market, and similar substances were sold as Yucatan Fire.

King is to give a presentation next week in London to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, where his colleagues will debate whether to recommend that Spice be banned in Britain.

The move follows a request from the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, to look at the availability and harmfulness of a series of "legal highs" including the herb Salvia divinorum, commonly referred to as magic mint or Mexican sage, which has a naturally occurring psychoactive ingredient. But the advisory council, of which King is a member, will consider Spice first.

The "Trojan horse" properties of Spice were identified only last December by the THC Pharma laboratory in Germany, which is developing medicinal cannabis as synthetic imitations of the plant's active ingredients. Its research led to Germany and Austria banning Spice in January this year. France decided to take the same action in February.

The first batches of Spice were seized in 2006 in Sweden and Jersey, but analysis failed to find any banned substances within them. Early last year the European monitoring centre's early warning system, which links police, customs officials and drug specialists around the EU, identified a dozen online distributors – half based in Britain and a third in the Netherlands – who were promoting Spice.

King, in a paper entitled New Drugs Coming Our Way delivered to the monitoring centre's conference, said that many "designer drugs" had been discovered across the EU since the early 1990s. These were psychotropic substances related to amphetamine and MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, and were predominantly stimulants or hallucinogens. As some of the drugs were banned in some EU states but not others, new law enforcement problems arose until a European-wide "joint action" on new synthetic drugs was developed in 1997 and expanded in 2005.

"The term 'new' referred to 'newly misused' as in almost all cases the substances had been first synthesised many years ago, often as potential therapeutic agents," said King. "Since 1997, over 80 substances have been reported via the early warning system."

He added that in the past few years a much more diverse range of substances had appeared, many of them MDMA-like, or stimulants, or, less commonly, hallucinogens. They included plant products such as Hawaiian Baby Woodrose, Kava and Kratom, unusual stimulants, ecstasy-style drugs such as BZP, which is now banned in four EU countries, and misused medicinal products. They even included Fluorotropacocaine, the first designer drug based on cocaine.

King, who is the UK correspondent for the EU's early warning system for new drugs, predicted that synthetic drugs would continue to dominate the "legal highs" market and that herbal products would remain relatively uncommon. He suggested the emergence of these novel substances raised questions about how well placed the European authorities were to detect them. "Event the best-equipped labor atories in the EU can struggle to identify new substances, particularly if, as so often happens, neither pure reference mat erials nor analytical data are available. We must ask whether we are forever doomed to be reactive. Can new substances be anticipated?"

He told delegates the answer to his question was that it should be possible to anticipate new substances given a knowledge of the literature and the use of rules.
 
I guess that was expected.

I tried some of these. My friend in the marines was all stoked to have them since he missed smoking weed and this was legal and all. He's going to be pretty bummed if it does (and it probably will) get banned.
 
The move follows a request from the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, to look at the availability and harmfulness of a series of "legal highs" including the herb Salvia divinorum, commonly referred to as magic mint or Mexican sage, which has a naturally occurring psychoactive ingredient. But the advisory council, of which King is a member, will consider Spice first.

Mmm, I wonder how unbiased and objective this is going to be. :\
 
Mmm, I wonder how unbiased and objective this is going to be. :\

Absolutely correct - objectivity is not likely to show up in the list of their top 10 objectives.

Unfortunately, they have to worry about being consistent, and if marijuana is illegal, then spice should be, too. So they will probably end up being consistent, and the fact that marijuana is illegal will not be questioned.

In this way, the bullshit perpetuates itself.

Consciousness expansion is a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT!:!
 
"It comes packaged in small sealed pouches holding 3g (less than an ounce)."

wtf? who writes this shit?
 
If i were the makers of spice psychedelhi i'd be hiding in some eastern european shit hole where lawyers cant find me for the next 10 years or so.

They without a doubt pulled off the greatest legal drug swindle in history.
 
If i were the makers of spice psychedelhi i'd be hiding in some eastern european shit hole where lawyers cant find me for the next 10 years or so.

They without a doubt pulled off the greatest legal drug swindle in history.

What do they have to hide from? At the time/place they aren't/weren't doing anything illegal. Its a human right that one can not be charged with a crime that was not a crime at the time it occurred.
 
Getting sued for testing a chemical on people?

Spice is not supposed to be for human consumption (says it on the pack, lol), though obviously it is being used very widely for that purpose. Psyche Deli tends to insist, as anyone would, that Spice is an incense and is not for human consumption. Very expensive incense, that doesn't smell good, and gets you high as hell! LOL!
 
Has the world become a prison? Have we become the inmates that must be subjected to arbitrary rules that control consciousness? Why do some arrogant bureaucrats think they have power to enforce their version of moral behavior on an entire nation? A free people have the right to be left alone. As long as I am not hurting someone else just stay the hell out of my life.
 
Why do some arrogant bureaucrats think they have power to enforce their version of moral behavior on an entire nation?
it's a myth which supposedly increases the productivity of the nation. like the myth of religion supposedly increases the moral character of the nation
Has the world become a prison? Have we become the inmates that must be subjected to arbitrary rules that control consciousness?
yes
A free people have the right to be left alone. As long as I am not hurting someone else just stay the hell out of my life.
i believe that it will get harder and harder, for people and society, until the final release of "ohhh"

seems, right now, as likely as the bush administration being held accountable for their crimes.... but i think it will happen, the rising generation, like the hippies, are rather open minded, and unlike the hippies, technology could let us win the next culture war
 
that REALLY fucking sucks about spice though. don't make it go away, i wanted a legal substitute :(

then again, weed is just as available and cheaper, all for the better unless they start drug testing for jobs that don't require it, like they already do
 
What do they have to hide from? At the time/place they aren't/weren't doing anything illegal. Its a human right that one can not be charged with a crime that was not a crime at the time it occurred.
It's been quite a while since rights meant anything.
 
This is of no consequence because there are about 200 newer, better blends that will be around for ages to come. Despite what it looks like sometimes, the world's governments will not be able to ban everything.
 
This is of no consequence because there are about 200 newer, better blends that will be around for ages to come. Despite what it looks like sometimes, the world's governments will not be able to ban everything.

Well, I for one am interested in what the newer, better blends are.
Could you give the names of a few of the best ones?
 
blends? you mean they have other CB agonists to stay ahead of the laws? or are you talking about spice diamond and spike99 or w/e and such, which would also get illegalized cuz they'd make the cannabinoid itself illegal
 
This will definately get banned imho. I am pissed its not available where I live and I never got a chance to try it, it would be especially great at the moment being forced off cannabis.

I don't think the makers can hide behind the whole "not for human consumption" argument, I mean they added synthetic cannabanoids to it, why would you undertake the extra expense and trouble of doing this if it was just an incense? It is not as if these substances occur naturally in their mixture.
 
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