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Spring Cleaning v2009

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In case you guys missed the ANNOUNCEMENT, we'll be deleting all threads that haven't been replied to in the past 6 months. This should improve server performance as well as the results from any searches by TFSE (yeah, I know, that was the reason you weren't using it, right? ;) ). Consider this your 2 week notice to let the mods know which older threads you think ought to be saved. Come the end of that time frame *poof* all those older threads will be deleted without a trace.
 
I think that most of the ADD threads should stay... that's the point of TFSE, right? There are a few shitty threads here, and I don't mind helping someone find them (after this round of tests is over). My point is that threads in this section should be selectively deleted, instead of selectively saved...
 
For instance, yesterday (or the day before) I started looking for information on naphthylisopropylamine. There's only one relevant hit, and it's in this section from 2007. A search for PAL 287 brings up only one more hit in one of the mega threads about stimulants, also in this section.

Honestly, this section board isn't just a bunch of rambling conversation that becomes meaningless if removed from its original setting. Please do not delete everything that is over six months old. While many other sections may benefit from this type of 'spring cleaning,' I doubt that this section will be improved by such imprecise, reckless methodology.

There have been several recent threads about improving the quality of ADD. Perhaps people would be more likely to make meaningful posts here if they didn't have to worry about their time being (effectually) wasted by someone who is 'spring cleaning.' Hmm, maybe if the bluelight pharmacology text hasn't been updated for six months, it should also be deleted. 8)

Edit: Additionally, there are only 80 pages of discussion here, as compared with 280 in Basic Drug Discussion and over 800 pages of discussion in Other Drugs. If the reasoning behind this spring cleaning is to make the search engine give relevant hits, why would you delete the threads that are important? This whole idea (as applied to this section) is rather disgusting to me.

BTW, other sections that should be left intact are Legal Discussions and Trip Reports.
 
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^ Wholeheartedly agree.

If nothing less, why not make an archive of each subforum and make it available for download?

If ADD is going to have its old stuff cleared out, I'd definitely want to download an archive. There's way to much important stuff in there.

The last vestiges of old Ham-milton would be lost :( Not to mention many of the other posters who've made great posts but aren't around anymore. We only have their contributions now.

Definitely keep threads with posts from those members who've died.
 
I also agree, this is the last section that should ever have spring cleaning. ADD is a valuable and unique respitory of information on the web, this information will not be replicated every six months.

I also propose to selectively delete threads that are not advanced, do not belong here, or were never answered. Otherwise I believe the contents of ADD are too valuable to lose.
 
^^ Agree

I think the archive for download would be a great idea as well.
 
*Bump*

Will either a mod or admin please respond?
Right now we're focusing on the largest forums, where pruning would yield the best results for the whole board. BUT, we'd like to prune everything to be at the same place for all future prunes.

If ADD is going to have its old stuff cleared out, I'd definitely want to download an archive. There's way to much important stuff in there.
Perhaps there's an end user solution to that like a program that will allow you to save everything in pdf format?

If this thread could be saved

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...highlight=mdpv

It would be nice, because i read through it all the other night and it was very informative about early views on MDPV. I cant bump it because its closed, and there doesnt seem to be an ADD archive.
I'll work on setting up an archive.
 
PD and TR mods get to manually delete everything, why not here as well? It'd be easier to manually go through ADD anyways (only 81 pages), compared to PD (342 pages) and TR (138 pages).
 
PD and TR mods get to manually delete everything, why not here as well? It'd be easier to manually go through ADD anyways (only 81 pages), compared to PD (342 pages) and TR (138 pages).
I don't think any of us(admins) would have a problem with that.

Basically, it's up to the mods on how they want to handle the prune.
 
I think you're still asking for threads that should be archived? No one wants to be bothered by posting the links to 2/3 of the threads in this section. There's an easier way to do it. I'll post the links to some threads that should be removed/deleted (hello? am I [are we] clear yet?) on late Saturday or Sunday.
 
threads to be deleted IMO pp 77-81.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=166147
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=166887
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=167215
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=167913
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=167827
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=166150
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=167969
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=169092
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=168917
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=175240
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=173667
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=175304
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=167754
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=174763
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=170841
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=173538
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=172703
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=166148
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=166151
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=169485
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=172186
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=168211
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=169192
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=182877
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=181899
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=180794
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=179954
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=180642
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=174024
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=178579
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=178819
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=178028
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=177458
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=175753
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=176426
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=171567
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=175727
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=175343
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=174620
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=187239
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=187569
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=187582
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=185495
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=179979
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=183820
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=183395
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=183218
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=198123
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=198453
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=195209
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=197582
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=193886
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=196721
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=192650
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=190927
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=191505
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=191797
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=189970
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=190826
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=190876
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=190408
 
I think you're still asking for threads that should be archived? No one wants to be bothered by posting the links to 2/3 of the threads in this section. There's an easier way to do it. I'll post the links to some threads that should be removed/deleted (hello? am I [are we] clear yet?) on late Saturday or Sunday.

Um....well, first, sorry - I'd asked phrozen to help me prune a few more heavily populated forums, so he hasn't been able to come back here and follow up with this initial push. I expect he'll be back on this shortly, and ask me to return the favor of helping clean out a forum.


To answer your question...yes, he is asking for threads to SAVE. I can fully appreciate the effort you went thru to look at a few pages and pick which things to remove-delete, but let me put it to you this way: If a thread hasn't been replied to in a long time does it make sense to fall into one of three categories? Either it's valuable as a reference, but nobody is responding anymore, so it ought to be ARCHIVED for future reading; or it is a valuable reference with some life left in it for continued discussion, and therefore we ought to bump it back into active discussions; or it isn't responded to and isn't read anymore and ought to be simply removed and deleted?

We've set up the ARCHIVE so threads of value that aren't active, can be tucked away for reference. Any member can give a link for a thread to be archived. Any member can bump a thread if it's got some life for extended discussion left in it. The stuff that can be deleted ... well, is easy enough for mods or admin to delete, but we want to ensure we don't delete valuable information. Which probably brings the discussion back around to your question another way: Isn't it easier to simply delete the few discardable threads, since SO MUCH of the ADD content is worth keeping?


Let's try a simple example. Concern over weed interactions....run a search for 'can*' in thread titles and get 36 hits. Of those 36 threads, I will bet you anything ~3 can be deleted without even blinking. A few more aren't related to what we're looking for (cocaine and root CANal?). But of the rest, if someone needs this info, do they benefit from having to sift past those ~5 threads to the ADD quality discussions? And how many of those remaining ~30 threads are duplicates, or overlapping? Wouldn't a reader be better served by merging those threads of value, and any off topic responses possibly removed?

The act of pruning isn't done solely for the server load improvement, it's also to help remove unhelpful threads, give a review of useful content to see if it is easily accessible (and not buried in 10 different threads, with another handful of red herrings in the search results). Quite honestly, I personally don't expect a lot of the ADD content may get removed (I haven't read it, but knowing the nature of the material, I'm comfortable making this assumption). What I really expect is that the information that remains afterward is in an easy to use form and has been condensed from a smattering of thoughts to a focused well-rounded supply of information on a given topic.

Does anyone have suggestions on how to achieve that? As phrozen noted, we're willing to work with the mods (and members) in whatever fashion best suits the forum and it's content - we have several ways of doing this that have worked elsewhere already. But ultimately, you guys (members and mods) know the content, know it's value, and how best to get it organized for lurkers and others that come later. Please, help us do this, otherwise you're left with people who don't know the content nearly as well, making assumptions that can cripple the forum....none of us want that.



A listing of what to delete, yeah that's a help. But it is one person's view on what to delete, whereas another member (or mod) may think some of that is worth saving. We're not trying to go by one person's view (or we simply would have done it ourselves), we want to save what has value in the minds of the collective forum regulars - some will save some things, others will save different material, but if we save what is needed, we can eliminate all the rest knowing that those who know best, have the information they feel is most critical and can help us provide it to future members in the best way possible.
 
how about ADD is left alone? it is almost the only place on this whole site that has any information worth keeping, it is a tiny proportion of the site and it is an asset.

Alternatively archive ADD automatically. I haven't got the time or the inclination to actively select threads to archive, I mean how on earth would I know which threads will be important for reference in the future. The mods here cull any thread that has no merit, so we occassionally actually have a signal to noise ratio.

pruning the forums won't make TFSE work, it is a crap engine, cutting the body work of the car aint going to make it go faster.

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