yo check this AAS/peptide cycle - mass gain

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26 years old, training (lifting) for 2 solid years, athletic for my entire life. Right now 155 pounds (5'6") very little bodyfat. Do a 4-day push/pull split, focusing right now on getting my squat and overhead press up. Eating above maintenance. I've run one very simple test cycle (450mg/week). Gonna run this cycle in the fall and shoot for 20 pound lean mass gain. Its an expensive cycle with the IGF, but having used IGF before (without AAS) I now HAVE to use it with (:D). Pretty sure its going to be fucking nuts with the test. The CJC/GHRP combination is to upregulate the pituary after the 2 milligrams of IGF (people have spoke highly of using this combo to get back up to naturally high levels of IGF after using exo-IGF).

week 1-12: Test prop 420mg/week 60mg/ED
week 1-5: Dianabol 30-40mg ED (depending on how it feels at 30 might bump to 40)
week 1-5: IGF 50ug PWO
week 1-12: Proviron 50-100mg ED (split two doses)
week 1-13: HCG 200IU EOD
week 9-13: IGF 50ug PWO
week 14-16: CJC1295/GHRP-6 (100ug/100ug ED 4am during sleep while completely fasted)
week 13-15: aromasin 25mg ED
week 14-16: Nolvadex (40:40:20:20)

Going to have Amiridex on hand for the first part in case the Dbol does anything real funky to me water/bloating wise. I ran 50mg ED proviron with the last test cycle. I think I am going for 100mg ED this time. That stuff is not too strong, but I like what I felt from it on 50mg ED. I am told a lot of people use 100mg ED with good results. Aromasin is an AI that mixes well with nolvadex during PCT (other AIs will actually become much less effective when there is both nolvadex and for instance amiridex in the bloodstream).
 
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actually I'm thinking about doing the prop at 100mg EOD instead of 60mg ED. I'm pretty sure you use prop usually right Victor, do you do every day or every other day when you use it? Opinion? Don't really want to hit acne or whatever from fluctuating T-levels if EOD is too infrequent (i've heard different things about this).
 
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I'm pretty sure you use prop usually right Victor, do you do every day or every other day when you use it?
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That is correct. Prop and sust should be used ED or EOD because of their short acting esters.

/V
 
I prefer going ED, primarily because I'd usually run tren ace with it and I like the pumps I get after I inject (as well as if I am taking an oral like dbol or drol), makes my workouts much more productive.

/V
 
anything about what I'm planning you'd change or sounds odd? I've done a lot of research and it all really falls into place pointing to this cycle being very very nice.
 
damn those are highish doses, the CJC would build up nicely though I bet on that run.

I only ran CJC once before, its quite nice (long acting). After the last shot (I ran it 500ug 2x/week) I still felt it 2 weeks later!

The CJC/GHRP is mainly to restore balance from the IGF. I suppose I could also fill in the blanks between the IGF though with CJC/GHRP (probably a good idea actually).
 
Ya was going to mention the CJC/GHRP seemed a little low until I re-read that you were going for restoration rather than all out blasting....

Looks pretty good! I've heard that IGF can actually be pretty good during PCT so you could run like 1-5 then 12-16 with the CJC/GHRP in the middle.

people have spoke highly of using this combo to get back up to naturally high levels of IGF after using exo-IGF
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I've never heard of anyone recovering natural IGF levels after using LR3.. Didn't think exo-use would cause "depletion"....
 
well its not so much 'depletion' more like there are negative feedback loops in place if IGF levels get too high (like there are for test, if you supplement with test, it doesn't 'deplete' your natural test, it causes your balls to shrink which results in less test created). Same thing would happen with the pituary and GH if you supplement with IGF. A decrease in GH output would result in temporary decrease in IGF levels. If you use a compound that makes GH secrete at a higher rate than normal then you can circumvent this 'IGF shutdown'. The idea is that the use of small doses of CJC/GHRP allows you to maintain normal/above normal levels of GH/IGF while still simultaneously recovering from the decrease in pituary output as a result of the past exo-IGF.

I've run about 3 milligrams of IGF over the course of the last couple years (its such feelgood stuff now I know why people love GH I'm fairly certain its cause of the increase in IGF that comes about from supping with GH). There definitely is a 'rebound' effect afterwards where you can tell a difference with insulin and GH release in your own body.
 
Just saw the updated cycle in the pointless "bulking steroid supplement" thread. You wanna repost the revised one here? Nand Phenyl-Prop is a sexy steroid - props on getting something so interesting. What kinda prop you getting- human grade or UG? :)
 
dude I am literally falling asleep and drooling thinking about that cycle. I'm obeying the time on = time off though :!

I haven't researched it yet, but I am planning on snagging about 20g of test (for about 88 dollars total!) and making my own supply of prop. Hopefully the prop ester is not too hard to attach to test freebase. Like I said I just haven't researched it at all yet.

20g of test base will equal about 4 cycles.
 
here's the updated one that I'm thinking about. I cut out the second mg of IGF, just since I've never run IGF so close together back to back and don't think that would be good to do to my natural levels of IGF. I also stop the short ester deca 2 weeks before like people do with regular deca. I figure the more time I have to get rid of the metabolites from the short-deca the better, regardless of whether or not the ester lasts shorter (the metabolites are still the same).

week 0-4: IGF 50ug PWO (4 days a week)
week 1-5: Dianabol 30mg/day
week 1-12: testosterone prop 60mg/day
week 1-10: nandrolone phenylpropionate 30mg/day
week 1-13: amiridex .25-.5mg/day +aromasin 12.5mg/day
week 1-12: HCG mon-wed-fri 250IU
week 5-19: CJC1295/GHRP-6 (~190ug of each every night in fasted state during sleep)*
week 13: HCG mon-wed-fri 500IU
week 14-19: aromasin 25mg/day (37.5mg for the first week)
week 14-17: Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) week 1: 40mg week 2: 30mg week 3: 20mg week 4: 10

*thats 20mg total for each or 1.3mg of each/week
 
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the more I research it the less I like deca (short or regular ester). Its not sounding as good as it once sounded. I'm leaning toward equipoise now (600-700mg/week).

I could get equipoise amps or I could get pure boldenone. I think the boldenone would be better because then I could suspend it myself in an oil and shoot it and the action would be much quicker (I think right? equipoise is so long because of the long-life of the ester they attach right?). I'm thinking I could just make a mix of boldenone/testosterone prop and shoot that every morning (like 60mg test and 100mg boldenone).

My question to Victor or anybody else in the know: if I did that, would I still have to stop the boldenone shots 3 weeks before PCT like you have to do with equipoise (since it takes so long to clear)?

So, I would do something like:
week 1-10: 700mg boldenone/week
week 1-12: 60mg test prop/day
week 14: start PCT

Just curious if I am dealing with long lasting metabolites with boldenone like with deca (so even if you have the short ester with nandrolone you still want to stop it a couple weeks early compared to your test). If I don't have to deal with the long lasting metabolites with boldenone then I could conceiveably run it all the way through week 12 (and maximize effects).

just wondering. I still got a few months to research.
 
the alternative would be to try to figure out how to attach the prop ester to boldenone. That would mean a longer half-life for the boldenone but still a relatively manageable one.

I'm getting some tentative answers from message boards that boldenone without an ester is VERy short (like 3 hours). That is too short for my liking and would probably cause side effects due to flucuations of AS in my system from day to day. I don't want that definitely, I want to be able to build up to stable levels.
 
horrible cycle and as you are 155pounds u dont need AAS!! Food is your best friend, you should naturally gain up to 190
 
why the hating on the nandralone? As long as you run test with it most the sides can be avoided. And its got a kick arse anabolic/androgenic ratio. You worried about progesterone?
 
If you really are 155 then I would second not using but aside from that short ester boldenone will be interesting to say the least.

Expect flu like symptoms and horribly painful injections! yeah bold prop and acetate great ideas in theory shitty in real life.
 
^ good thoughts. After researching the bold prop some more I decided its not worth it. You're right guys report shitty shitty side effects from it. I'm gonna keep it simple.

I'm 5'6" 160 now (10% bf well at least my abs are all showing now that seems like a good marker around 10 percent). I don't buy into the move to only use steroids once you get to your genetic potential. I think its actually a bad move, since once you're beyond your genetic potential with steroids, you will need them to maintain there. I don't want to need steroids in my future. I want to run a couple cycles and be done with them (they are great in a lot of ways but they kinda suck in a lot of ways too). My goal is to get up around 190 or so then cut down to 180 and maintain the rest of my life at that weight (or as long as my natty test will let me stay there which should hopefully be well into 50s and 60s).

P-Mo, I decided there's too many side effects with deca for me, even the short ester. Added, the metabolites hang around a LONG time (way longer than it takes the ester to break down) so recovery is real slow after a heavy cycle with them, even stopping them 2 weeks before the test is stopped.

I think test+EQ+Dbol will be perfect for my second cycle. I'm definitely gonna add in the IGF+CJC/GHRP too since I know that will work well with AAS (well I don't KNOW but I SUSPECT having used both alone). I still got time to plan since it won't start til september.

Now its looking like:
week 1-10: Test E 500mg/week (2 shots of 250mg)
week 1-10: EQ 500mg/week (2 shots of 250mg)
week 11-12: test suspension 25mg 2x ED (this is for period waiting for test E ester to clear)
week 1-5: Dianabol 30-40mg ED
week 1-5: IGF 50ug PWO (200ug total I do a 4day split)
week 1-13: amiridex .25mg ED
week 1-13: HCG 200IU EOD
week 6-16: CJC1295/GHRP-6 (100ug/100ug ED 4am during sleep while completely fasted)
week 14-16: aromasin 25mg ED
week 14-16: Nolvadex (40:40:20:20)

overfeed by 1k calories every day. squat, deadlift, and oh press like a fucking madman and hope for around 25 pounds of muscle. I should be up to 170 by the time I start this one (if my dieting/bulking goes well this summer).
 
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