Media Talk Up Pot Legalization as Possible Answer to Bad Economy

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Media Talk Up Pot Legalization as Possible Answer to Bad Economy


Spike in press reports around cryptic 4/20 date explore how lawful possession of marijuana would impact government deficits, economy.

By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
4/22/2009 11:45:24 AM

The economy is already in rough shape, but some think we should let it go to pot – literally. Pro-legalization advocacy groups are promoting the possibility that legalizing marijuana could provide some economic relief, and the media has eagerly explored the idea.



On April 20, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) aired TV ads calling for marijuana legalization. They ran on CNN, Fox News Channel and were covered by CBS News.



“In the spot, Americans say of the drug, ‘you can tax it, you can regulate it, apply age restrictions…create millions of new jobs … save our economy,’” Brian Montopoli wrote for CBSNews.com on April 20.

With chatter that this could be a campaign issue in 2010, the new Obama Administration’s relaxed policies toward the drug and some people’s desperate, try-anything approach to solving the government spending deficits and economic woes, the idea of marijuana legalization is gaining traction with the media.



Talking Point: Legalization Would Help the Economy



One of the arguments pro-legalization advocates like to trot out is that if it were lawful to possess and consume marijuana, it would be a shot in the arm for the ailing American economy, as the NORML ad campaign suggested.



The direct benefit on the economy, as Leigh Gallagher of Fortune magazine claimed, would be the industries and jobs legalization would spur not just from the cultivation of the plant itself, but the “ancillary business” including accessories and paraphernalia.



But advocates usually tout the indirect benefits, which would be the decrease in law enforcement costs and the potential windfall in government revenue.



“The DEA spent $10 billion last year, $10 billion fighting marijuana,” CNBC’s Trish Regan said in an April 20 “Power Lunch” report. “Not every drug – just marijuana. Now keep in mind, California actually collected $11 million, small in comparison, but this is one state, in tax revenue, all from medicinal marijuana. So it shows you there is some money that can be made on the government’s behalf in the way of taxes on this product.”



Comparisons have also been drawn to ending Prohibition on alcohol during the 1930s – a time when the economy was undergoing the Great Depression. Rob Kampia of the Marijuana Policy Project explained to CNBC that legalizing marijuana would serve the same purpose of generating tax revenue as ending prohibition did.



“It’s the same situation – 1929,” Kampia said. “The stock market crashed and it was four years later that the country repealed alcohol prohibition. It was largely, but not entirely for economic reasons. There’s a large industry that is not being taxed.”



But according to a report by National Public Radio’s John Burnett on the April 20 broadcast of “All Things Considered,” the theory that legalizing this vice would bring in big bucks for the government is a myth.



“A lot of people think this taxation of marijuana will create a windfall for government coffers,” Burnett said. “[J]effrey Miron is a Harvard economist who has studied and written about the economics of the marijuana market. Miron figures state and federal taxes on cannabis sales adds up to $6.7 billion annually. And he calculates the savings from not having to enforce state and federal marijuana laws, in arrests, prosecution and incarceration, at $12.9 billion a year. Excluding additional expenses, such as the public health cost of marijuana, or the cost of administering the new law, Miron figures that legal pot creates almost a $20 billion bonus.”



With a federal government that is on track to be running $1-trillion deficits, that’s just a drop in the bucket, and doesn’t necessarily justify legalization, as advocates and some in the media suggested.

“But compared to the size of most federal government agencies, compared to the tax revenue from things like alcohol and tobacco, and certainly compared to the size of deficits that we have, this is just not a major issue, it is not a panacea, it is not curing any of our significant ills,” Miron said. “There may be good reasons to do it, but the budgetary part is not a crucial reason to do it.”



Black Market Economy vs. Government-Regulated Market Economy



One thing that is often overlooked in the recent string of media coverage about marijuana legalization is what would happen to the market if it were a legal drug. The revenue-generating potential would be greatly reduced if it were legal to be grown anywhere.



Segments on Fox News April 19 “Geraldo at Large” and CNN’s April 16 “American Morning” both trotted out proponents of legalization suggesting a regulated market would be better than a black market.



“We’re talking about America’s number one cash crop,” marijuana advocate Rob Van Dam said on the April 19 “Geraldo at Large.” “It’s completely unregulated and untaxed. Let’s take that money out of the streets. We’re putting it into the black market that prohibition created and let’s put that in the right hands, where we can use it with our government, by taxing and regulating it.”



As CNBC’s Regan confirmed in her report, marijuana is indeed the country’s largest cash crop. However, legalizing the crop would cause prices to plummet, she explained to viewers.



“The price is very important,” Regan said. “Because, think about this guys – it really wouldn’t be this expensive if it was legal.”



“You’d get a glut,” “Power Lunch” co-host Michele Caruso Cabrera added.



And legal farms, like one highlighted by NPR’s April 20 “All Things Considered,” reflect how once government gets involved, the business incentive diminishes. Carol Ann Sayle, the wife of a legal organic marijuana farmer, explained her disappointment in the business of marijuana cultivation.



“The retailer takes a big hit off the bong, so to speak, and then the government comes in with their taxes,” Sayle said. "So what’s left for the farmer? After all that work and … trying to ease people’s fears that we’re going to be giving it to children. So, what’s left for the farmer? Stems and seeds is about all that’s left.”



The 4/20 (April 20, 2009) Spike in Coverage and the New President



The number 420 has had a special significance for marijuana connoisseurs. It’s used on the online bulletin board Craigslist.org and other places on the Web as code for marijuana-friendly. However, the reason why that has certain significance is not clear and has been subject to debate. Some say it is associated with the time of day the drug is consumed and some say it is the day of the year it is planted.



But 4/20, or April 20 as a date of importance hasn’t gone unrecognized by the media. The New York Times and The Washington Post both published article recognizing the date and the pro-marijuana events surround it. Fox’s controversial animated series the “Family Guy” made it the subject of its April 19 episode, in which the dog named Brian is arrested for possession of marijuana, and then goes on a mission to legalize the drug.



This increase in notoriety has made the subject marijuana and its legality a topic of news coverage, as has the new administration’s position on going after certain vendors of medicinal marijuana, as CNBC Washington correspondent John Harwood explained on the March 20 “Power Lunch.”



“Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters this week Team Obama will take a different approach that takes note of the policies of states,” Harwood said. “Quote, ‘Consistent with what the president said when he was campaigning, our focus will be on people and organizations that are growing and cultivating substantial amounts of marijuana, and doing so in a away that’s inconsistent with federal law and state law.’”

According Harwood, the marijuana debate isn’t going away anytime soon and, “Don’t be surprised if the marijuana issue surfaces as the 2010 elections get closer,” he said.



A Darker Black Market, Unrecognized Social Costs



Societal costs are often disregarded when the issued is raised – the health tolls, addiction and treatment costs and the risky behavior the drug encourages. They are often not included in the cost-benefit analysis when the legalization debate is raise.



On the New York Times Freakonomics blog on Oct. 30, 2007, Dr. Robert L. DuPont, president of the Institute for Behavior and Health and former director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, likened legalizing marijuana to legalizing speeding. . According to DuPont, you can’t ignore the costs of having the drug readily available to consumers:



Legalization of marijuana would solve the marijuana problem the way legalizing speeding would solve the speeding problem: it would remove the legal inhibition of a dangerous behavior, and thereby encourage the behavior.



Criticism of current marijuana policy typically starts by limiting the calculation of marijuana’s societal costs to the costs of arresting and imprisoning marijuana users. This way of calculating the costs minimizes those produced by use of the drug itself (i.e., the costs of treatment, drugged driving crashes, and lost productivity). When the costs related to the use of marijuana are minimized, the legalization of marijuana gives the appearance of reducing marijuana-related social costs in the same way that counting only the costs of enforcing the speeding laws and ignoring the high social costs of speeding would make legalizing speeding look like a smart idea.



Asa Hutchinson, a former director of the DEA and an outspoken critic of legalization, explained there would be unintended consequences if the marijuana were legal. In an April 16 CNN debate with Neil Franklin, a former member of the Baltimore Police Department and now a spokesman for the group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), Hutchinson explained the criminal element would focus on more dangerous drugs to sustain the black market.



“But if you legalize marijuana, as previously Mr. [Bob] Stutman [former DEA agent] pointed out, the cartels are going to engage in cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine. There's a whole host of illegal drugs and I don't know very many people, if any, want to legalize all of those very, very harmful drugs.”



And as former Oklahoma Republican Congressman Ernest Istook, a Fellow at The Heritage Foundation explained on the April 19 “Geraldo at Large,” the “social costs” are rarely accounted for when reporting on the issue. Instead – the focus is emphasized on what it could do for government.



“You’ve always had people who’ve said, ‘Oh legalize and tax marijuana,'” Istook said. “They have all these wonderful promises of the finances. It’s the same thing we see with lotteries. It’s the same thing we’ve seen with legalizing other things. And they don’t count the social costs. They say, ‘Well, government can make money.’ How about the families that are damaged by legalizing another way for people to get high?”
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090422112959.aspx We as a country need the legal marijjunaannaa!
 
great read.

i actually agree with one of those DEA agents: "'But if you legalize marijuana, as previously Mr. [Bob] Stutman [former DEA agent] pointed out, the cartels are going to engage in cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine. There's a whole host of illegal drugs and I don't know very many people, if any, want to legalize all of those very, very harmful drugs.'"

good point there imo, i never really considered that.

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“You’ve always had people who’ve said, ‘Oh legalize and tax marijuana,'” Istook said. “They have all these wonderful promises of the finances. It’s the same thing we see with lotteries. It’s the same thing we’ve seen with legalizing other things. And they don’t count the social costs. They say, ‘Well, government can make money.’ How about the families that are damaged by legalizing another way for people to get high?”"

families that are damaged? wtf is that. marijuana usage will not increase if it is legalized. If its usage doesnt stay the same as it is now, it will probably DECREASE. people use marijuana whether it's legal or not - if families are in fact being "damaged" right now, they're already being taken care of or its not significant enough to notice any kind of harm. this is probably one of the weakest arguments i've ever seen.
 
If America legalized weed, our economy would be booming. Especially if we allowed it to be sold in coffee houses, Imagine the tourism revenue that would generate, everybody would be gettin high. We could have hemp toilet paper so we don't have to wipe our ass with the noble trees, and othersuch good things. Its blatantly obvious that America needs to reinvent itself as a chill party nation, our economy will benefit as a result of it and we get to get high; its a win-win situation really. Sorry for the rambling post, I'm high right now. :D
 
But if you legalize marijuana, as previously Mr. [Bob] Stutman [former DEA agent] pointed out, the cartels are going to engage in cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine. There's a whole host of illegal drugs and I don't know very many people, if any, want to legalize all of those very, very harmful drugs.

I want to legalizes those. Also, there is not nearly the demand for those as there is for cannabis.

It is disappointing that the article did not mention the environmental impacts or industrial hemp.
 
families that are damaged? wtf is that. marijuana usage will not increase if it is legalized. If its usage doesnt stay the same as it is now, it will probably DECREASE. people use marijuana whether it's legal or not - if families are in fact being "damaged" right now, they're already being taken care of or its not significant enough to notice any kind of harm. this is probably one of the weakest arguments i've ever seen.

you're forgetting about those who think because its illegal its bad and if it were legalized and regulated it would be fine.
I know tons of these people and if marijuana were to become legal i just know they'd be the first to go "oh..well its legal it must be ok to use" and become total pot heads. (not saying that its NOT okay to use, but theyre the type that would think oh its fine i dont need to moderate)

I'm not saying we shouldn't legalize, in fact I'm 100% for it, but I'm just pointing out there are a few cons.
 
There are cons with any law passed in congress. The fact is there is tangible collateral damage with prohibition. Think about how much money we lose even when making kids felons, most will never have a high paying jobs, less prosperity equals less taxes and this is just a minescule example of collateral damage of prohibtion. We have more prisoners than china for fucksake, does that not say anything? We as a country are shooting ourselves in the foot by not legalizing. Lastly no most rational adults wont use heroin because it's made legal, most people truely don't use hard drugs. With pot, yeah more kids will use it but remember for every fuck up there is a barack Obama or a carl Sagan, are these people criminals aswell, they did use it or still use it in sagan's case.
 
How about the families that are damaged when a harmless recreational drug user is locked up in prison.

End prohibition of all drugs. Adults are responsible for their own choices. They should be allowed to make good choices or bad choices and accept the consequences. We don't need the government to be our mommy and daddy to make those decisions for us. There are many activities in life that are dangerous. Do you want the government always looking over your shoulder and commanding, "You can't do that, you might get hurt"?

The war on drugs is a war that the government wages upon its own citizens. The limited government that We the People created has become an oppressive monster. The reason to legalize drugs should not be the economy. The reason to legalize drugs is FREEDOM.

End prohibition of all drugs and abolish government bureaucracies like the DEA. Pardon all drug offenders. Use the money saved for education and voluntary drug treatment. There are trillions of dollars of government debt because they spend too much money. Government has to spend less and not look for new taxes. We pay too much in taxes already. Cut government spending.

There should be no federal tax on drugs, except maybe the states can collect a modest 5% or 10% sales tax collected at the point of sale. No tax on plants or manufacture of drugs for personal consumption. No government monitoring of cannabis farms and backyard gardens. Personal privacy must be protected. People have the right to be left alone.
 
Huaca that was a great post and I agree with you 100% on everything you have said. I think that concession has to be made on taxes though, and as far as I am concerned marijuana legalization or atleast decriminalization might be the one good thing to come out of this recessions. If we don't concede we are willing to pay the taxes to boost the economy there is no hope, its that simple sadly.

The fact is, it has to be PROFITABLE for it to be viable, it is that way as far as the Government is concerned and its that way as far as the general non smoking public is concerned. Not to mention it is the ultimate rebuttal to their "increased healthcare and drug treatment costs" ramblings. Sure you could point out the cost of the drug war being taken away, but nobody will listen to that or read that much into it. I don't think anyone on here wants to pay outlandish taxes on their drugs of choice, but I think compared to our current situation its a relatively small consequence of drug use compared to prison.

Even if you don't change the opinions of people who think weed is bad, if you can demonstrate that the costs generated will cover all the negative aspects and also generate a hefty income you have a chance at winning them over. They will never buy into the taxless drug free for all that we dream of.
 
good point there imo, i never really considered that.
you don't realize how many smoke pot though. the number that smoke pot compared to the number that use "hard drugs" is overwhelming. so, when pot is legalized, most pot users will be cut off (over time. and all new pot users will have none of course) from the black market. so, the "gateway" will be sealed shut :)

the bad news, is the drastic lowering of hard drug use; millions of normal citizens will no longer be introduced and involved in the black market. some of us need our fix ya know

legalize it ALL!
 
Dude you can live in imaginary world where "freedom is not for sale" but the fact is that it is and has been for a very long time. If you want to be realistic about certain goals then concessions often have to be made, in this case that would be taxes. Do you really think that there will ever be ready availability of all drugs completely tax free? How do you think the rest of the taxpayers who don't use drugs would take the news they have to pay for any addiction and healthcare costs we incur?
 
It should be like the old days (pre 20th century) when no one had health insurance. You get sick and if you can afford it you go see the doctor. If a person wants to drink or drug himself to death that's his problem. People got to take care of themselves. But under the coming one world government, where everyone will be serfs or slaves, there will be no freedom. I have hopes and dreams but they are not realistic. I see bad times ahead and freedom will be defeated.
 
Huaca, I was agreeing with you fundamentally up until this point, but abandon health insurance? Only the rich get to beat serious illness, that is a less free society than one that opresses drug users seriously the life expectancy would go down dramatically.

Maybe the roads and hospitals and schools should just start building themselves? I mean if you abandon healthcare why not abandon all Government A.K.A tax payers built resources? You must be rich right? Or maybe just not too keen on living a long life? Whatever the case abandoning the healthcare system is a pretty ridiculous idea.

So a kid born into a poor family that gets sick should be left to die because "oh well, they have to look after themselves" or a hard as underprivileged worker on minimum wage who gets in a smash with some spoilt rich kid pissed off their head should just be sent straight to the morgue because "oh well, they have to look after themselves", while the rich kid is getting grade A medical treatment? That is bullshit really and creates the same system in a different sense with the rich having all the power, that situation would not fix any of our current Government control problems whatsoever.

Did you read my last post? About how I wouldn't necessarily agree with the level of taxing that would be introduced with drugs but its the only way theres even a chance it would get enough support for legalization of any or all drugs? Do you think saying, "hey its not going to be taxed but who cares because taxes aren't going to pay for anybodies health problems anyway so its not your problem" would be an easier pill to swallow than just saying its not going to be taxed but too bad you gotta pay for it anyway? I mean thats probably the worst solution you could come up with. Talk about a way of making drug legalization less popular to the general public, and justifiably so in my opinion.
 
But if you legalize marijuana, as previously Mr. [Bob] Stutman [former DEA agent] pointed out, the cartels are going to engage in cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine. There's a whole host of illegal drugs and I don't know very many people, if any, want to legalize all of those very, very harmful drugs.

ya but if marijuana were legal it would help the economy tremendously and also would allow the DEA to go after those drugs instead of wasting money on pot. This is such a no brainer its ridiculous, its crazy how the DEA almost encourages underage alcohol and tobacco consumption. you get a ticket for that but you can go to jail for years for having a substance that has been proven to have no lethal dose, this country is so corrupt it dont know its head from its ass :\
 
Yes but it would hurt the drug companies because they sell the shit you think you need if you don't do drugs.
 
It might help the economy if they tax the shit out of it. Still though you need to think of all the jobs stuck in this web. We now have probation officers who more then likely see just weed related cases. They would be out of jobs, same with the alot of lab techs who test for weed. We would also see a decline in dockets at the court houses resulting in less secritaries. Its tough because it creates new ones too.

For legalization just trying to drum up another issue.
 
you're forgetting about those who think because its illegal its bad and if it were legalized and regulated it would be fine.
I know tons of these people and if marijuana were to become legal i just know they'd be the first to go "oh..well its legal it must be ok to use" and become total pot heads. (not saying that its NOT okay to use, but theyre the type that would think oh its fine i dont need to moderate)

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well if somebody would do that wouldn't they do it with alcohol and cigarettes? I think weed would be the best choice of the three as far as health goes.
 
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