Meth/Amphetamines: Serious Discussion Only

[claire22]

Poor man's Cocaine I'll tell ya. ?

Not really. It costs an arm and a leg here. As much as cocaine.

 

[8ft-Sativa]

Oh Drug Wench that's terrible news . . . to allot of people here your proof you can get your life back on track.

Wow . . not sure what to say but I sincerely hope you make it out o.k. Your a good person!

 

[rangrz]

Not really. It costs an arm and a leg here. As much as cocaine.

its still cheaper:
methamphetamine halflife 9-15 hours
cocaine halflife: 1 hour.

methamphetamine dosage is also much lower in mg's then coke.

so even if the gram costs you the same, it goes alot further....part of why it sucks so many people down.

 

[footscrazy]

^^ That's why I just can't get into cocaine...it's so short lasting.

Oh Drug_Wench it made me really sad to see you were smoking meth again! Just remember that you have quit before and you no doubt have it in you to quit again if you decide to. Does your bf know...? Much love

 

[mrs_mia_wallace]

coke is way cheaper than meth here....

either way give me all the money in the world and access to the best coke and ill still take meth over it anyday. coke is a lameass drug that doesnt get you near as coke every will, and the fastest growing tolerance i've had had it on coke (and my habit started with coke abuse way before meth). so yeah you spend way more on coke but thats because its a lame drug, not better than meth which is what everyone seems to imply when they say "meth is a poor man's version of coke."

 

[**hAyzzZZ**]

I can hardly even see the relation.

For me, coke was a totally different rush to what meth gives me.

So the comparison is stupid ime.

 

[mrs_mia_wallace]

^They're both stims, so I don't think offering a comparison on them is really that "stupid"....

 

[**hAyzzZZ**]

If you re-read what i posted you will see that i said Ime = In my experience.

 

[BeckyLee]

aww man drugwench that sucks so bad! addiction is the worst.

i have had a really tough week myself. sometimes i feel out of place posting in diff boards b/c I don't have one addiction in particular; I rotate.

This past week, I spent all week w/my man (which was awesome), but I have been regularly dosing ghb lately, on top of snorting adderall w/bf (he loves the stuff; it's my rx), and then drugging myself to pass-out land with benzo's, antihystamines, z-drugs, and seroquel.

Then when I am not with him (and I feel so lame for admitting this), I feel so depressed and lonely, that I trade my social drug abuse for antisocial food abuse and binge/purge cycle.

I'm just trading one addiction for another.
It never stops.

I am so glad I don't have a cocaine connect anymore b/c I would be such a cokehead! I've never tried meth on purpose but I would probably love it too.
I am naturally an introvert, so uppers give me a little boost in that "chatty + happy" way...or they used to.

It's not worth it though, b/c now I have horrible mood swings. I was at a beautiful disc golf park w/BF and all I could think about was how I used to go there with my exboyfriend (who was a drug dealer and my first love...we used to play and smoke), and also about how much I missed my dog- (who is alive and fine at my parents' house). I just cried and cried. It was so pathetic. He wants to marry me and I'm barely functional.

 

[drug_wench]

returning to planet earth

Shitty high, shitty come down, what's the deal? Poor man's Cocaine I'll tell ya. Smelling, psychotic, teeth and hair falling out... and what's w/ these fatass meth-heads who are still like 350 pounds after doing meth for 5 years?

im sorry to hear about evrything uve bn thru cos of meth but this is not helpful to a thread full of ppl addicted to it
it just makes us feel worse about ourselves and i will say that while its not mean enough a remark for me to edit out it only makes me hurt more over the things ive put myself thru

ive tried cocaine - its incredibly expensive here (more so than meth - which i cooked myself anyway) and i didnt enjoy it enough to get addicted
thank god - i didnt need another addiction

so meth isnt ur DOC - wen u consider sex releases 300-400 units of dopamine and meth releases 1200 u can understand a little more why meth is so addictive
not evryone finds it a shitty high - i dont
and wen u hav ADHD like i do, ie. u hav low dopamine, its a relief to use meth
judge not until uve bn in the place of that person

this thread is for giving advice/support/help to addicts not to make them feel bad about themselves
thats wat TDS is about - i suggest u go read the rules of this forum right now

also theres no point in arguing or being snaky in this thread - its petty and not the point of a thread titled 'serious discussion only'
if u want to squabble PM watever debate u want to hav (tho plz dont b abusive) - again its just not the spirit of TDS, and in particular these MEGA-threads where ppl r crying out for help

thanks to those who r showing concern over me - im going to relapse prevention group again and i actually havnt used for 4 days now
i am not going to let P get the best of me
i still feel depressed and irritable from the bige - and Paul and i hav bn fighting
he even relapsed on alcohol
its bn a big drama

gorgoroth - u, like i, hav bn using for a long time
and u also hav a dopamine deficiency (ADD?)
concerta does fuck-all for most meth addicts whove used for a long time and hav AD(H)D
if dexedrine is wat works for u many ppl take it for AD(H)D and its often better at controlling cravings as well if ur bodys accustomed to amphetamines
i normally take the exact same drug at the exact same dose to control my ADHD and keep me off P
i wudnt worry - just b proud of urself!!!

becky-lee - reading ur story breaks my heart
i, too, used to abuse multiple drugs - E, trips, pot, alcohol, coke, mushrooms, ketamine, piperazines and esp meth (P its called here) and opioids, in particular heroin/morphine/homebake (heroin being the preference)
i got down to methamphetamine and opioids
now im on methadone u cud technically say im still addicted to an opioid but i dont abuse it.....i just recognise my weakness with P
im also physically addicted to valium (long story - i hate the stuff) and am weaning off that, hence why i cant touch my dexies and am going back frequently to P
anyway if u ever want someone who understands poly-substance addiction but esp the amphetamine issue and how it creeps up on u plz PM me
remember that goes for any of u

 

[mrs_mia_wallace]

I tried to take some days off this week but it totally fucked my life up more than it does to use


Sunday (Easter haha) I managed to not use for a day and was feeling very proud of myself....

But come Monday I woke up and got high so I would be OK for work... except when I take a day off, when I use the next day I just get super sleepy from the drug... so I was barely there during my class. I kept using and started to get the "up" high but I was having chest pains and felt dizzy, out of breath. Despite this I decided to take some seroquel Monday night to sleep, and my already freaking out heart started beating painfully fast and I thought I was going to have a heart attack-- debated whether or not I should go to the ER, decided to stay in bed and somehow managed to fall asleep. I felt a bit better on Tuesday but was still dizzy and out of breath, couldn't walk up the stairs to my apartment in one go. I ended up staying all night, for no reason and felt like SHIT on Wednesday in a way I haven't for a while. I was naeseous all day and everything seemed to be moving so slowly, I couldn't concentrate on anything, it seemed like I was operating in another world... and my circulation was more fucked than normal, chest pains, out of breath and dizzy as fuck, and my body felt so sore I could barely walk... fucking beautiful drug that does this to you while you're on it!

Anyway point of story being Wednesday night I decided to take some Xanex and relax., hopefully not use the next day since my body literally felt like it was going to fall apart.. I managed to fall asleep but slept through my classes the next day and couldn't get out of bed, had hot flashes all afternoon and evening, horrible head aches and was suicidal. I just kept taking seroquel to try and sleep but come Friday I could not get out of bed until the evening, my body was so sore I could barely move and I had a sore throat and massive head ache as well. When I did get out of bed I couldn’t stay awake, so I used a bit to combat that. But I felt so depressed and hopeless all evening it was a relief to go sleep… Saturday I used but half of what I normally would and felt OK, better than Friday, and made it through the day but got super depressed and suicidal later that night… Sunday I just got high like normal

These physical withdrawal effects stop me from going to work, class, and breaking any social commitments… I don’t know what to do, even tapering has me fucking everything up…

 

[3dmusic]

I tried to take some days off this week but it totally fucked my life up more than it does to use
-snip-
These physical withdrawal effects stop me from going to work, class, and breaking any social commitments… I don’t know what to do, even tapering has me fucking everything up…

I know the feeling that stopping speed, even temporarily, can seem to cause more fuck-ups than it's worth.

Are you able to have a block of time off, to give yourself the chance to recover?

I've become socially withdrawn since I took my last lot of speed last month.
I didn't plan on stopping, more like various, circumstances forced me not to take it.

I was rubbish at tapering, because my tolerance.

I have no commitments, but I would think that if you want to stop (not saying you have to) it would be best to give yourself a bit of space, where the pressures of life are lifted.
Talking to people was among the things that triggered off my speed use.
It got so bad, even if a friend dropped by, I would nip to my stash and have a bit.

As for the dizziness characteristic of speed use, eating easy, but nutritious foods helped this. I found that, for me, the dizziness was due to hunger and dehydration in the main.

I don't know if I would have stopped, if my circumstances were different, i.e. regular supply, etc, but maybe we stop when we are ready to.

 

[footscrazy]

These physical withdrawal effects stop me from going to work, class, and breaking any social commitments… I don’t know what to do, even tapering has me fucking everything up…

I find using meth less than daily actually feels much worse because you're constantly going through that high---> crash. In my experience...it's best to quit your daily habit cold turkey because of this, because using 3-4 days a week feels shit. And you don't even get the benefit of actually getting shit done when you're high.

I've become socially withdrawn since I took my last lot of speed last month.

I always get this effect too, it usually lifts at about 2 weeks for me...

 

[mrs_mia_wallace]

3dmusic- no, that's my problem... if I miss work again I'm going to be fired. And then I'm going to lose my apartment, car, everything...

footscrazy- I really don't use it to be high and fun anymore... I use it to function, to be normal. Meth has always been that way for me, not something I binge on to be high and crazy but something I use to be able to get through the day. And cold turkey yeah... but if I could that I wouldn't be in the place I'm at now.

 

[3dmusic]

3dmusic- no, that's my problem... if I miss work again I'm going to be fired. And then I'm going to lose my apartment, car, everything...

footscrazy- I really don't use it to be high and fun anymore... I use it to function, to be normal. Meth has always been that way for me, not something I binge on to be high and crazy but something I use to be able to get through the day. And cold turkey yeah... but if I could that I wouldn't be in the place I'm at now.

I wish I could offer some useful suggestions.
All I can think of is to take supplements and vitamins.
Eat plenty of bananas too. They are amazing for speedfreaks.
I found tyrosine helped me in the early days, but not too much as it made me anxious.
Trite as it sounds, I wish the best outcome for you.

 

[CollegeoftheUnseen]

Yeah. I meant "poor man's coke" in more of a theoretical sense. If that makes in sense. Just hate the high, the drug, the ramifications. Yes, and I don't mean to flame people in ANY forum for any reason. Everything, every drug can have its benefits. Loose weight, help w/ certain things and situations. My apologies for unintentionally flaming anyone on here on any post. I just DON'T GET this drug, beyond any other drug. You know, bad personal experiences. I think that this is THE ONE drug that I'd tell anyone I know, NOT TO EVER TRY, and that doesn't sound like me - ever...

All my best going through this struggle...

CotU

 

[footscrazy]

^^ It's just that every drug affects people differently. Meth has, by far, the best high out of any drug for me. Heroin on the other hand, eh, I honesty don't get the attraction. That's why I spend most of my time in here instead of heroin discussion

 

[eon_blue]

^^ It's just that every drug affects people differently. Meth has, by far, the best high out of any drug for me. Heroin on the other hand, eh, I honesty don't get the attraction. That's why I spend most of my time in here instead of heroin discussion

For me (and I'm a heroin addict first and foremost), I always found meth to have the most euphoria as well, in terms of "I feel fucking great and I can do anything". Heroin definitely didn't do that for me, well maybe for the first 20 seconds during and after the rush, but once that subsided there were no real lasting feelings of euphoria.

What heroin did do though, better than meth did, was that it numbed me out to the rest of the world and all of my problems, issues, and anxieties. And ultimately, I think that's why I started using drugs in the first place....not for the euphoria, but so that I could tune out everything.

That's just me though, I know that meth has that same effect for some people otherwise it wouldn't be such a hard addiction to overcome for so many.

 

[pill_phreak]

^^ It's just that every drug affects people differently. Meth has, by far, the best high out of any drug for me. Heroin on the other hand, eh, I honesty don't get the attraction. That's why I spend most of my time in here instead of heroin discussion

I agree. I would choose meth over heroin. I dont get why people like heroin so much.

I took some meth on the weekend (frist time in 6 weeks) and i remember thinking how much better it feels to have a natural sense of confidence.. it really didnt feel like i remember it feeling at all. I think im getting over the whole drug thing?

 

[footscrazy]

^^ Just don't keep doing it trying to get that old feeling back

That's just me though, I know that meth has that same effect for some people otherwise it wouldn't be such a hard addiction to overcome for so many.

That's exactly right, meth seems to cure all my anxieties/worries in the most perfect way...