With anti-addiction pill, 'no urge, no craving'

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With anti-addiction pill, 'no urge, no craving'
By Caleb Hellerman
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/15/addiction.cold.turkey.pill/index.html

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CENTRAL FALLS, Rhode Island (CNN) -- A no-frills bar called Goober's, just north of Providence, Rhode Island, is probably the last place you'd expect to find a debate over cutting-edge addiction therapy. But this is where Walter Kent, a retired mechanic, spends his Fridays. He helps in the kitchen and hangs out in the bar, catching up with old friends.

Most addiction specialists would call this playing with fire, or worse. That's because for more than 30 years, Kent was a hard-core alcoholic. His drinks of choice were Heineken beer and Jacob Ginger brandy, but anything with alcohol would do.

"It's like a little kid wanting a piece of candy. You see it, you want the taste of it." He closes his eyes and sniffs the air, remembering the feeling. "You can be by yourself, and all of a sudden get even a hint of alcohol, just the smell of it, and say, 'Oh, I need a drink.' That sensation is not something you can get rid of."

But today, Kent isn't tempted in the least. He says the credit goes to a prescription medication -- a pill called naltrexone. It's part of a new generation of anti-addiction drugs that may turn the world of rehab on its head.

Dr. Mark Willenbring, who oversees scientific research at the National Institute on Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse, says alcoholism has reached a point similar to one depression reached 30 years ago -- when the development of Prozac and other antidepressants took mental health care out of the asylum and put it in homes and doctors' offices.

"There will be a 'Prozac moment,' " Willenbring says, "when primary care doctors start handling functional alcoholics."

Among the findings that are causing excitement:

• A study led by Dr. Bankole Johnson of the University of Virginia found that topiramate (Topamax) -- already used to treat epilepsy and migraines -- reduced the number of days on which alcoholics drank heavily, by 25 percent more than among alcoholics who got just therapy.

• A federally funded study known as COMBINE compared cognitive-behavioral therapy alone with therapy along with naltrexone. Patients receiving both were more likely to stay abstinent and drank less if they did relapse.

These findings highlight what's become increasingly clear: Addiction is a brain disease, not just a failure of willpower. Naltrexone and topiramate have slightly different mechanisms, but both seem to block the release of brain chemicals that are linked to pleasure and excitement. Unlike earlier drugs used to treat alcoholics, neither is addictive or carries significant side effects. It does appear that each might work better in certain subgroups -- topiramate for repeat relapsers, and naltrexone in people with a strong family history of alcoholism.

Johnson is a paid consultant to the company that makes Topamax, but his study appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association and he says other medications can also work well. "I think everybody who's an alcoholic should be given medication if they're willing to take it," he says. "It's been shown over and over with research studies that effects of medicine are over and above that of therapy. And if you're not getting the medicine, it's a bit like having one hand tied behind your back."

Before he found naltrexone, Kent had tried to quit drinking more times than he can remember. "I was the kind of person who only drank if he was alone or with somebody. Other than that, it was never a problem," he jokes now. He did two stints in residential rehab programs and went to countless AA meetings, but nothing worked. Kent is a giant of a man -- he stands a broad-shouldered 6 feet 5 inches tall, and has two sons who played professional basketball in Israel -- but for most of his life, he couldn't find the strength to put down the bottle. Watch Dr. Gupta: Can a pill help you go cold turkey? »

It got worse in 2000, after an injury from falling off a ladder forced him to stop working. Depressed and in pain, with time on his hands, Kent began boozing from 8 o'clock in the morning, every morning. It went on a few months until his wife, a woman he'd known since grammar school, handed him an ad from a newspaper and an ultimatum: "She said, 'You're killing the marriage, and you're killing yourself,' " Kent said. " ' Get help or I'm gone.' "

The ad was recruiting alcoholics for research at Roger Williams Hospital, part of Brown University. Kent signed up. It was part of the COMBINE study. Kent got 16 weekly visits and also something most addicts never hear about: medication. This time, he stayed sober, even after his doctor took him off naltrexone. That was more than eight years ago.

Despite studies showing effectiveness, established rehab programs have been slow to adopt the use of medication. At Hazelden in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a small proportion of patients receive anti-addiction drugs, but medical director Dr. Kevin Clark says the traditional model -- based on intensive therapy and the 12 steps popularized by Alcoholics Anonymous -- is still best. "It is a disease of the brain, but it's a multifaceted disease. It has a spiritual component, a behavioral component to it," says Clark. "Our experience tells us that having the network of support and recovery is what really makes the difference."

John Schwarzlose, executive director of the Betty Ford Center, echoes that but takes a more stringent approach. No patients at Betty Ford receive anti-addiction drugs as part of treatment, although a handful of long-time addicts may be referred to a prescribing physician once their stay is over. "Where we battle with [the National Institute on Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse] is when they say we have trials of a new drug, and then proclaim this is a treatment for alcoholism," says Schwarzlose. "They're smart people, but they're missing how complex this disease is."
Schwarzlose argues that Willenbring and Johnson are using the wrong measure of success. He says abstinence is the only true measuring stick -- that an alcoholic who is drinking less is just at a way station on the road to relapse. "Naltrexone has reduced drinking, but once you're addicted, there is no such thing as 'OK' drinking. This is one of those cases where there's a real schism between the research and actual practice."

This attitude frustrates Willenbring, who estimates that in the United States only one addict in 10 has even heard about medication options. "In most cases, the treatment is entirely nonmedical. Most people are not even told about the medications that are available for treating alcohol dependence, and I think that's a crime."

Still, medication is slowly creeping into mainstream addiction therapy. One big advocate is Percy Menzies, a pharmacist and former sales representative for DuPont, which developed naltrexone. His St. Louis, Missouri-based Recovery Centers for America treats patients in an on-site hospital, then refers them to outside physicians for follow-up treatment. Along with therapy, virtually every patient is given Vivitrol, a long-lasting form of naltrexone that's given monthly by injection.

Kent says naltrexone saved his life. When the COMBINE program was over, Kent's doctor told him to call if he felt the old need for a drink coming back. But it never came. "I have yet to go back and say, 'I have an urge for a drink,' " says Kent, lounging in Goober's. "[My friends] will offer, 'You want a drink?' And I say, 'No, I'm fine. I'll have a soda.' I'm fine with that. Because when there's no urge, no craving, it doesn't bother me. I'm living proof this can happen."
 
I've been taking this for a few months actually. my doctor injects a monthly dose of Vivitrol into my hip. its not a magic med, but it really does help to an extent.
 
OK, I just got prescribed Topamax today because it supposedly reduces opioid cravings. I'm calling bullshit. Has anyone else found that to work for them, or is my psych full of shit?
 
I'd be careful as hell with Topamax. While my MRI and other results are just starting to come in, and so tumor and lesion or other neurodegenerative conditions aren't ruled out, there's a good chance that Topamax has caused the moderate-severe working memory loss I experience.

And I never took topamax for more than 2 months at a time, and haven't taken any in at least 5 or 6 years.
 
Who wants to be sober all the time? It's okay to drink all day - just drink slowly. I always start the day off with a shot of rum (40% alcohol) in my morning coffee. Then again at 10 and another at noon with lunch. No coffee after lunch. I will have a couple of shots with water and ice in the afternoon and a couple more after dinner. You build up a tolerance and I barely feel the effects. I only drink about 8 liters a month but it's slow drinking. No weekend binge drinking.
 
So that's a total of how many shots a day? I count up seven in that list.

I don't think you'd be legal to drive at hardly any point in that day.
 
There will never be a pill that will cure psychological addiction and if there where you would become addicted to the pill.
 
I've taken naltrexone for alcoholism.
I was really truly shocked by how well it worked.

Before I took it, I honestly couldn't imagine not craving alcohol - it just seemed such a part of me, I felt the craving was a 'thought' and hence I was in complete control of it. I didn't think a pill could change that.

Anyway, after 3 days I had absolutely no cravings. A strange feeling! I could sit there and think about alcohol and just get no emotional response. I truly could leave it without a second thought (except surprise!).

But despite this, I'm still drinking (and not taking the naltrexone). Alcohol feels too intwined in my life, how I have fun and socialise for me to forget about it, even without the cravings. It was strange, but I actually missed the feeling of craving alcohol! (For me, craving a drink and then having it feels great - it's such a relief). I missed being addicted to alcohol, as fucked up as that is! I haven't forgotten naltrexone though, I think I'll go back to it one day.
 
this aint new....just new to most people. naltrexone been used for opiate addiction for a long time. In the book permanent midnight which the guy wrote in the early 90s about his heroin addiction (jerry stahl, tv writer, they made a movie of his book) he talked about taking "trexan" the trade name at the time, for his addiction. alcohol and heroin work on same parts of the brain in some ways so it aint suprising, but i hate when they be like, NEW THERAPY for somethin that aint new at all just alot of people in the nonusing public aint aware of it yet.
 
so you have no more cravings? or you do but they are not as strong?

I still do, on occasion, but no where near the intensity and certainly not as often. alcohol rarely crosses my mind.

and i still drink but not as much. whats interesting is I also am forced to go to AA, which makes me want to drink because that's all they fucking talk about. kind of ironic, i guess.

so, sometimes I leave a meeting and go across the street and have a few beers, no more than 3. appears the naltrexone reduces my drinking intake as well, which surely is a positive thing. the only big problem I have with naltrexone is if I take an opiate, it simply will not work at all. sometimes i get kidney stones and back/neck pains so in the event im under severe pain, i'm not sure what i would do. this hasn't happened yet. I plan to discontinue the naltrexone by next month
 
Who wants to be sober all the time? It's okay to drink all day - just drink slowly. I always start the day off with a shot of rum (40% alcohol) in my morning coffee. Then again at 10 and another at noon with lunch. No coffee after lunch. I will have a couple of shots with water and ice in the afternoon and a couple more after dinner. You build up a tolerance and I barely feel the effects. I only drink about 8 liters a month but it's slow drinking. No weekend binge drinking.

you're prolly not being serious, but a lot of people want to be sober all the time. they just still want to feel good and comfortable in their own skin.
i would like to someday
 
Naltrexone for alcoholism isn't new either. It's probably been used for treating it as far back as the 70s, but at least the 80s. I don't remember when it was first approved for this use.
 
you're prolly not being serious, but a lot of people want to be sober all the time. they just still want to feel good and comfortable in their own skin.
i would like to someday

I am serious. I drink slowly all day. Alcohol really doesn't have much effect anymore. You build up a tolerance and I think your body learns to metabolize it faster. I am retired so I don't have to drive anywhere. Drug laws are so harsh in this southeast Asian country that I have few legal choices. The popular legal drugs here are alcohol or tobacco. I do get some legal salvia through the mail though. I might start with kratom. It's still legal here.

"I don't have a drug problem, I have a police problem."
- Keith Richards
 
This ain't much different the antabuse but atleast you won't get sick as a dog on naltrexone. If people want to drink they will just stop taking the stuff. I knew guys that used to be on antabuse and theyd stop taking it for a few days so they could get drunk.

Your never gonna stop any addiction unless you really want to quit.

Also wtf are you gonna do if you are on the once monthly injection and get in a accident and need opiates. Are ya just gonna take ibuprofen?
 
^^ that's what I was talking about. i have kidney stones and that mos definitely requires pain medication. I plan to discontinue the drug because of that and weird side effects. perhaps theres a detox method available in the event of a serious accident, I dont know. no doubt it helps people, its helped me before.
 
I am serious. I drink slowly all day. Alcohol really doesn't have much effect anymore. You build up a tolerance and I think your body learns to metabolize it faster. I am retired so I don't have to drive anywhere. Drug laws are so harsh in this southeast Asian country that I have few legal choices. The popular legal drugs here are alcohol or tobacco. I do get some legal salvia through the mail though. I might start with kratom. It's still legal here.

"I don't have a drug problem, I have a police problem."
- Keith Richards

I understand what you're saying, but alcohol is not particularly good for you, whether you have a tolerance or not. I know that's not what you said though.

most people I know would rather slam down brews n shots n whatnot, n get shitty just once in a while then drink slowly all day. I'm more like you because I enjoy the act of drinking and relaxing and taking it easy. I drink only wine & beer, mostly imports. I've never had kratom or salvia. what's that like? I've heard some really strange things about salvia.
 
Shit, give me some of those pills and some of my favorite pills and I'll pop both of those motherfuckers lol.
 
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